i know its about plugging just use the liquid from the vial
This be said, since it was mentioned, banging IV Tram is a waste of time.
hm. i tried tramadol for the first time last night. 150mg plugged. all i felt was a relief of tension and so wiped out i was out within 10 minutes..
just woke up. i still feel some relief, but it feels a bit dirty, if you know what i'm saying - it kinda reminds me of when i took demerol or darvocet..
maybe there are some shitty binders causing that feeling and if so i'll see if i can do a CWE on the rest of my pills..
i always CWE vicodin/lortab; use 5-8 5s or 7.5s, and plugging the solution gives me a decent high (or drinking with 1L WGFJ & taking some benzos with it)... maybe that's what i should try. i haven't used opiates in several months (till last night), 115lbs etc but as i've always suspected, i have a naturally high opiate tolerance
how does tolerance for tramadol work, btw? i've read quite a few articles out there stating that re-dosing creates a stronger effect each time.. so, blood levels rise, but what about tolerance? seems a bit confusing =/
i want to avoid physical addiction, and wonder what factors to consider -- e.g., i've gone through morphine addiction. it took 4-5days for me to become (fully) physically addicted, start to get naeseous, chills, irritable & sweaty when i skipped a dose, etc.. how long for tramadol?
IN SUM: one good thing i notice about tramadol is it helped me to sleep well and the mild effects of 150mg linger for a while -- eg, i dosed at 12:30am & it's 10:45am now --
i still feel a bit of tension relief, tho it's fading, and i wonder if i should re-dose or use the 3 day rule to lower tolerance, like with other opiates
(i.e. if i take 20mg hydro, the next day i have to take 40mg to feel a similar effect.. & a three-day break probably takes about 10mg off my tolerance)
euphoria tho? i guess my dose was too low or i need to combine it with diazepam or something.. got nothing to lose anyway
What about pluggig the Grünenthal GmbH exended release version (Tramal Retard)? Anyone tried?
This is not true for me. I have regularly been taking 1400 to 1600 mg's a day for the past year with no problems. But I do realize that I could suffer a seizure at any time. The only way I could take this much is to have built a very large tolerance level. Not something you would want to try on the first go-round!
My only thought on the plugging is, can I plug 14 to 16 pills at one time, or would this be too much material to hold in my ass. BTW, I have a bg ass,if that makes a diff.
Ha! You could easily take that many pills up the jacksy (in solution, of course) but it's worth bearing in mind plugged drugs hit a helluva a lot harder than oral doses and I suspect that with such massive doses the seizure risk would be even higher however high your tolerance is. Along with the fact that tolerance is neither here nor there when it comes to seizures as you mentioned. I would personally advise against plugging such large amounts - maybe try halving your dose and see how that sits if you go for the tradesman's entrance option
^ im sure you could put it up the pooper though couldn't you?
so is it true that re-dosing over a few hours vs dosing the same amount all in one go increases the effects?
as i mentioned earlier, 150mg plugged just knocked me out last night.. but let's say i took 50mg then another 50 in 2 hours and another in 2 hours.. would that extend the duration, make it more intense, or all of the above?
use a slab of flat marble (or brick),
take paper / paper currency ($ bill),
fold it in half (like you would when making a paper airplane),
place the pills in the crease,
fold the paper over (so pills don't go flying across the room),
take a heavyduty paperweight (one that isn't gonna smash) & run that across the the paper evenly, with enough pressure to feel the pills evening out into a flat powder
as for plugging, i always boil the water then wait a few minutes for it to cool down, so it's just warm (and ensures that the pills dissolve properly)
and use a 5ml needless syringe, filled to the max for each dose -- make sure not to use too little or too much water... the goal is to get as many mgs into each dose as possible.. if you use too little water, some of it won't dissolve in there.. too much and it'll be too watered down to get enough into your system at once
you may already know all this stuff. i just thought i'd add my method and hope it helps someone
i dont even know what that is
^What are you not understanding exactly?
I know when I plug it hits me in 10 min vs and hour.
ohh i see, the hourly dosing works super
man, yea it hits me in a few minutes.. so intense. it's almost like coming up on a stimulant. wtf? but i'm warm and fuzzy, so that's all that matters right now
god knows how much i've taken, i think 5 50mg tablets, so 250mg. i notice since i didn't eat most of the day and drank a lot of water that it hit me faster today..just like other opies then hah..
only problem is i have energy now after a long day and need to sleep.. just took 10mg diazepam, may need more in a few
tramadol is part stimulant. it agonizes norepineniphrine.. so yeah, you gotta remind yourself to eat and drink on the stuff. you know, i'm betting plugging a good quantity could give a stimulant rush.
hourly dosing does me good.
anyways, i just wanted to say that combining tramadol and stimulants has killed people through seizures. like that famous rapper guy.
The rapper that died on tramadol was Ol' Dirty Bastard (RIP) and he was the best. It was an accidental overdose that mostly was due to a burst baggie of cocaine that he ate while also on tramadol.
For me the risks of high dose tramadol do not even come close to extremely mild buzz that I get from it. To me tramadol felt like a mild opiate for the first 3 days or so (itchy, constipated) than after that, not. No itch, no constipation, and hardly a buzz. Maybe all you people out there getting high on trams have a system that metabolizes it into the more potent metabolite a hell of a lot better than my system does... the only way I would be interested in really trying it again would be if I had some injection ampoules.
Aaaaw fuck me! Just got 550mg "Tramadol long". Crushed em up nicely started to mix with water and what is that - Fillers form some sort of nasty gel with water. I usually filter out the fillers and plug only the clear liquid first for fastest possible absorption without having to ruin my veins or have a dry nose for days and a nasty taste in my mouth.
Has anyone seen these pills before? Any solvent that will get rid of the nasties in em? I'm not gonna do an a/b extraction for getting high once or twice, but still this pisses me off and if there's an easy way I'd be happy to hear about it.
Otherwise I'll just plug that nasty gel and will have to hope for relatively fast absorption. :/
Haha, I had similair adventure with Tramal Retard from this German company starting with G. In the end I drunk it. Oh fuck me. It was sticking to my teeth with its distasteful consitence... Brrr. I don't even know if this procedure did the trick (it was long time ago and I had no experience), as I've heard that thease have some strange formula for the extension of release and simple dissolving dosen't work.
Write how it worked
Hmm, I have a mate who owes me a tramadol but it is only 50mg and I used to use 100-150mg to potentiate codeine back when my opiate tolerance was a lot less than it is now. May give plugging it a go if it is really worth it. I actually only tried plugging for the first time 2 nights ago, morphine was the drug and it was a sick buzz for what is honestly a lot less uncomfortable than most macho guys will try and make out.
Will do mindtools! I am now at baseline and am waiting for the girlfriend to go to bed. I'll then ingest about 40ml ethanol, 0.1g Trainwreck, 50mg Diphenhydramine HCl and proceed to rectally administer 2ml gel which consists of water and what I estimate to be 150mg Tramadol HCl along with it's fillers, gained by crushing differently dosed Tramadol HCl containing medications (1x50mg capsule Tramadol-ratiopharm 50mg , 2x150mg pill Grünenthal Tramal long and 1x200mg pill Grünenthal Tramal long).
I don't have a lot of experience with said substance, but I've nodded off it before (so I'm not one of those people who claim to have no use for Tramadol) and I'll definitely be able to tell you whether I liked it or not. I have absolutely no opioid tolerance at the moment and haven't used them in over 2 months. Unfortunately this means I will not be able to compare the strength to orally ingesting said pills.
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