After just few weeks of smoking/vaping MDPV on weekends only it is having a bad effect on my breathing. Twenty four years of smoking cigarettes on and off is absolutely nothing compared to this. I wake up in the nights with a fluidy wheezy crackling to my breathing and have developed a morning cough that while nowhere near as bad as what afflicted my 60 year old Granddad who was dying of lung cancer, it is nonetheless worryingly bad for someone in their ealy 40s who has previously had excellent physical health. Fotunately for me, at this early stage, after all this coughing and hacking my breathing mostly clears up.
If anyone gives a shit, this is what i have gathered and self-diagnosed from Wikipedia about my symptoms as to what smoking PV has done to me, "Crackles are caused by the "popping open" of small airways and alveoli collapsed by fluid, exudate, or lack of aeration during expiration."
"Crackles are caused by explosive opening of small airways[3] and are discontinuous,[5] nonmusical, and brief. Crackles are much more common during the inspiratory than the expiratory phase of breathing, but they may be heard during the expiratory phase. Crackles are often associated with inflammation or infection of the small bronchi, bronchioles, and alveoli. Crackles that don't clear after a cough may indicate pulmonary edema or fluid in the alveoli due to heart failure or acute respiratory distress syndrome. Their presence usually indicates an interstitial process, such as pulmonary fibrosis. Crackles can be heard over the lower lobe of the lungs. Pulmonary edema makes it much more audible."
I'm not too concerened if its just a temporay thing as the morning coughing mostly clears it, but i am concerned that it almost certainly will have long term health effects if i carry on this way. I know the safest & most sensible thing would be just to stop smoking it, but before it comes to that i'm trying to improve my technique and find safer ways of doing it.
This seems to be one instance where its clearly not ideal to learn about methods of vaping the stuff through internet forums. It would be much better to know someone in person in the "real world" with experience so you can learn from them. But as i dont, this is my only option. I have already recieved some very helpful advice on safer methods and am sticking to this advice.
I have rooted around most of the PV threads on BL (theres a hell of a lot on info to get through on here) and some of the methods of vaping are just too complicated to follow seeming to include all sorts of chemistry equipment like vats and chambers and other complicated methods of filtration, and posts like this " I have some length of heat coil made for a lamination machine. you take the metal strip which is just thin flat wire inside to heat the long Al strip inside that does the laminating. Once the metal bowl (tin foil?) is made to hold the mdpv, it is wrapped with the heating coil on thrsexpository Ftt, the vapor bowl is ready to be made heated.
Using a quality power supply, IE. 0-30v, 0-3A, connect leads to heat coil at an initial low wattage (just do full voltage but start st low amperage.) Keep checking maximum temperature of MDPV contact point. This is a good time to buy a laser thermometer. Keep increasing amperage up maybe 0.15a if you are running 30v. Keep checking settled temp until you end at steady 260f. Add MDPV, see what happens. You want clear vaping salt that's not turning black! You may need more amps and 265, 270, 275 degrees etc.
The trick is keeping a chemical vaping, not oxydizing it.
It could work this way as salt? What do you think? "
I imagine all this is good info but i cant help thinking WTF.
Threads from a few years ago suggested just heating the powder very slowly and carefully until it gives off a vapor but stopping before it turns to oil. I cannot get anything out of it that way. Most posts suggest heating until the powder turns to oil, as this is what vapes easily, but stopping once the oil is no longer clear and golden, others heat it until it forms a beatle, and then chase this around the foil to stop it burning. I have tried all methods but it seems for me at least the vapour needs to be filtered to prevent this nasty shit clogging your airways. I have tried a cotton mask over my mouth TNA, nothing gets through that.
Some people have mentioned putting PV on the end of a cigarette, i suppose at least it would get filtered that way, but wouldnt it just be incinerated and destroyed ? Simillarly with lacing a filtered tobacco roll up with PV ? I'm going to try putting a cigarrette filter in an inhaling device and see if i can get that to works.If it does it will be interesting to examine the filter afterwars to see what it has caught.
EDIT: Its now a couple of days later and I have tried inhaling it through a cigarette filter in a tube. It didnt work, nothing seemed to come through, even when i cut the filter down to a smaller and smaller stub.
For a number of reasons im quitting this stuff. I flushed most of my peeve last night and today will be my last day using it, and then the remainder will get flushed too.