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Codeine Extraction - Part II

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I posted this in another thread but thought it was worthy of a repost if it's true:

http://www.pharmacynews.com.au/article/tighter-restrictions-for-codeine/493242.aspx

Tighter restrictions for codeine
5 August 2009 | by Simone Roberts

Most over-the-counter (OTC) products containing codeine will be upscheduled to Pharmacist-Only medicines next year.

The National Drugs and Poisons Schedule Committee (NDPSC) today revealed its decision to move OTC combination analgesics containing codeine (CACC) from Schedule 2 to Schedule 3 in a bid to address concerns of misuse and abuse of the products.

The committee also decided to limit the duration of treatment for the drugs to no more than five days and to limit the maximum daily dose of codeine in the products to no more than 100mg.

Codeine combinations for cough and colds escaped the changes, with the committee stating there was no evidence indicating a problem of misuse of these products.

In its record of reasons, the NDPSC said while upscheduling all codeine combinations to S3 would not stop the addiction problem, it would help mitigate it.

"In particular it would ensure pharmacist involvement and provide an opportunity to pick up signals of misuse or abuse," one committee member said.

"Several comments from addiction specialists indicated that such interactions were a significant trigger for addicts to eventually seek help."

The Pharmacy Guild of Australia failed in its attempts to halt the changes by recommending the use of real time monitoring system NotifyRx, similar to Project STOP, to assist in managing the risks and potential for abuse associated with the drugs.

The committee said the proposed system was impractical for several reasons including the cost of installation and maintenance, possible delays in implementing the system and privacy concerns and suggested the Guild has a "vested interest" in its use.

"Members agreed that, at this time, the consideration should remain focused on limiting access, rather than in introducing some sort of real-time monitoring system," the record said.

"Face to face counselling from a pharmacist should be viewed as the primary tool for mitigating the risk of abuse."

The changes are due to be implemented on 1 May, 2010.
 
ah well , least we stil got 6 or so months left of easy riding

the cunts
 
i'm confused

Most over-the-counter (OTC) products containing codeine will be upscheduled to Pharmacist-Only medicines next year.

they already are pharmacist only medicines?
 
What does this mean in terms of obtaining the drug?

Guess we had to see it coming, damn government ruining our fun :(
 
The committee also decided to limit the duration of treatment for the drugs to no more than five days and to limit the maximum daily dose of codeine in the products to no more than 100mg.

I thought this was already the case as well? 12.5mg per N+ with eight in a day equals 100mg. Unless they are talking about prescription codeine formulations as well?
 
Does this mean all products containing codeine wont be OTC anymore? If thats the case this is a bloody joke.
 
yeah does anyone actually understand that, because to me, that reads like there is no change

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd assume the change from schedule 2 to 3 will mean a pharmacist will have to approve the sale of said codeine-containing-product, your details taken down (usually via ID like a driver's licence) and an appropriate label placed on boxes. Therefore if you buy from the same pharmacy say, more than once a month they'll have those previous transactions on record and will start asking questions. Also you won't be able to order it online as you'd then need a prescription.

So yes, it is a sizeable and noteworthy change.
 
For a box over 24 I'm asked for name and address from every chemist I've been to in Brisbane, then they print out a sticker for the box.

Perhaps they will start doing this for all sizes now?
 
Yeah QLD has always had stronger restrictions in place to control it iirc.
 
I never get asked for id for n+. Dunno why. Qld here.
 
I never get asked for id for n+. Dunno why. Qld here.

It has to be a box larger than 24. Boxes of 12 & 24 are fine.

Not all places ask for ID, simply that you write down your name and address so they can print off a sticker for the box and track how much you are buying from that store.
 
That sounds pretty fucking shit, they have to ruin everything don't they. Why can't they let people take fucking codeine in peace?
 
^if you play your cards right you really should have no qualms getting the codeine still. as long as you aren't in there acting like an anxious wreck acting all nervous or being too regular of a customer you'll have no problems. it's not too much of an inconvenience in my opinion.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'd assume the change from schedule 2 to 3 will mean a pharmacist will have to approve the sale of said codeine-containing-product, your details taken down (usually via ID like a driver's licence) and an appropriate label placed on boxes. Therefore if you buy from the same pharmacy say, more than once a month they'll have those previous transactions on record and will start asking questions. Also you won't be able to order it online as you'd then need a prescription.

So yes, it is a sizeable and noteworthy change.

yeah thats what i made of it. it's basically just another person (the pharmacist) that you have to speak to. which leaves it up to them whether or not you're going to get the codeine. it's the only difference between schedule 2 and 3 drugs beside the marketing/advertising side of things.
 
Yes, Schedule 3 is "Pharmacist Only" but larger packs of Codeine/Ibuprofen already were S3.

Pack size is being limited to 5 days recommended use. There is no checking of ID or recording (if Pharmacies do this, ist their own policy - not a TGA change).
 
If your going to get tagged now for a small box may as well go for the big box every time:p
 
Guess ill have to use the " oh my wisdom tooth hurts so much" line more often lol

Better hope its not regulated like pseudo cos that would suck.
 
^ Indeed that would suck and would also render the size pack bought irrelevant because you are only allowed a certain amount. I hate the Government!
 
Max of 100mg a day? if you are in any sort of pain that will do absolutely nothing. I've taken codeine for minor back problems and even 250mg did nothing.
 
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