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    Quote Originally Posted by Eight0Eight View Post
    The one time I managed to get an 8mg Dilaudid (very rare here in the UK) - I ruined it by mixing it with 0.2grams of smack.

    I remember the rush being quite good, but then it just felt like H.
    Sounds to me like you got the full dilaudid effect. I don't think the H ruined it for you--dilaudid doesn't really have any effect past the initial rush, at least ime.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDankaholic View Post
    Also i'm an RN in an ER so i'm very familiar with administering Dilaudid to people. In the 1-4mg range it's actually one of the safest opiates when it's hospital grade liquid for injecting. It's amazing something so strong is actually so safe. It's when you start banging pills that you run into all the health problems. It's funny as I read this I was in the process of taking one of my 8mg doses. It's that time of day again... ... ... by far my favorite pain killer for my chrohns disease.

    I have crohn's too. how'd you get a script for so many? I have my GI appointment on friday, and Im hoping maybe you can give me some advice. See, he refuses to write me anything for the pain, so for the last few months Ive had to buy percocets and oxycontin off the streets, and its financially draining when I need so many per day, and my Doc wont write me anything. I'd love to get what you have or anything close to it so I dont have to keep paying for ER visits and also not be in pain anymore. Any advice on talking to him?
     

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    also, he's just a punk ass and just up's my dosage of Humira and switches me back and forth from Lialda to Entocort and then more Humira.
    Its difficult to talk with him because one time i was having a flare and called him to ask what to do, and he said to just wait it out or go to the ER because he 'doesnt believe in writing scripts for painkillers in these situations', which makes me not want to talk to him about about and just keep getting street drugs when other members of my family have talked with him as well and he told them the same thing (with my permission to speak to them of course).

    I'm thinking of just getting another GI doc. is that the only route left?
     

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    Dilaudid is like the ghost of a real rush. When I shoot up, I dont want to feel a quick feeling for about 3 seconds and then have no high. I want to feel like I got hit in the face with a 9000 pound mac truck. Dilaudid rush is weaker than dope IMO. Dope has a much fuller high and better all over your body AND mind rush. Dilaudid is simiply a body rush that lasts long enough for you to blink your eyes and take a breath and then youre ready to boot up again. Opiate crack, no thanks, unless its free or super cheap. Id have to do a shitload of them at once to feel anything truly worthwhile. A waste of time IMO for any heroin addict with a decent tolerance, only ppl who are new to opiates or only use pharms. just my 2 take it or leave it agree or not thats my personal experience.
     

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    ^ How long do you have after a D, before you start clucking again?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomatoxflames View Post
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    also, he's just a punk ass and just up's my dosage of Humira and switches me back and forth from Lialda to Entocort and then more Humira.
    Its difficult to talk with him because one time i was having a flare and called him to ask what to do, and he said to just wait it out or go to the ER because he 'doesnt believe in writing scripts for painkillers in these situations', which makes me not want to talk to him about about and just keep getting street drugs when other members of my family have talked with him as well and he told them the same thing (with my permission to speak to them of course).

    I'm thinking of just getting another GI doc. is that the only route left?

    Yeah, I'd go to a new doctor

    I was under the impression that prescribing painkillers to Crohn's patients was pretty standard
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desdenova View Post
    Yeah, I'd go to a new doctor

    I was under the impression that prescribing painkillers to Crohn's patients was pretty standard
    Honestly ive heard of many getting nothing but I believe it's the rhoute you take with your doctors and the severity of your chrohns. I mean I had a whopping 42 days in the hospital last year alone and 22 days so far this year. All related to vomiting and crapping blood profusely for hours on end companied with extreme stomach pain that just couldnt be stopped even with my pain meds. I HAD to go get a Zofran and Dilaudid shots and usually they would keep me for a few days to a week. Thats with my pain medication. So with all that documented it wasn't hard to show I did indeed need pain med's to function. Also I get my pain meds from my PRIMARY Physician, not the GI. GI's always refuse to write pain meds. If you have Chrohn's bad you need to see your Primary or a Pain Dr. your primary can refer you & then for treatment and tests you see your GI. You need more then one Doctor for these situations. They will all work together. My GI's always told me to work put pain care plans with my primary and/ir a pain doc.

    Quote Originally Posted by tomatoxflames View Post
    I have crohn's too. how'd you get a script for so many? I have my GI appointment on friday, and Im hoping maybe you can give me some advice. See, he refuses to write me anything for the pain, so for the last few months Ive had to buy percocets and oxycontin off the streets, and its financially draining when I need so many per day, and my Doc wont write me anything. I'd love to get what you have or anything close to it so I dont have to keep paying for ER visits and also not be in pain anymore. Any advice on talking to him?
    You need to have all of your medical records and talk to your primary doctor or a pian management doctor your primary can refer you too in order to get your pain taken care of. No GI I've ever met, and i've met alot, will prescribe you ANY pain meds. They will tell you to take care of that with your primary doctor and they will say it in a snoody way. The good thing is once your doctor starts you on pain meds, real pain meds it's pretty easy to continue treatment with a real disease and solid medical record to back it. No doctor wants to be the one to break the opiate medication cherry but once the flood gates opened i've moved twice and never had a problem with going to a new primary with my current meds and my medical records and getting my medical treatment continued.

    Just approach your primary about whats going in in your life and your medical condition and be honest. I wish I could give you mor e"pointers" but im not here to help anyone try to scam there doc or how to tell your doctor what they need to hear. If you really need to you can PM me and we can talk some more. You have an honest problem and disease. I know how it feels and you do deserve to be treated for it. Ive honestly been through every kind of opiate treatment possible before I found one that is cheap and effective. Methadone + Dilaudid makes chrohns pain pretty non-existent. Just PM me if u want to talk further.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eight0Eight View Post
    ^ How long do you have after a D, before you start clucking again?
    after a dilaudid shot? As soon as the rush is over. So, about 3-7 seconds.

    After heroin? I can go a few hours fine without wantin to redose.

    thats my point...with dilaudid,the high, it aint even MINUTES , its measured in SECONDS.
     

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    I know the rush is short, but you likely would not feel w/ds for at least a few hours after a decent dose of hydromorphone.
     

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    I will PM you, as soon as I hit Greenlight status...lol

    Im just really in a bad situation and caught between the cracks. You're right on the point that GI's WILL NOT writ scripts for pain meds. My father is a General Practioner (sp?) and although he's really not supposed to, he has at the most 'helped' me by talking with other DR's about whats going on. I am going to talk to him about a pain doctor, i think you called them, to assess whats going to happen and what we can do.

    What is happening is this: Im up to 40mg of Humira every week (one sub-cutaneous shot/dose) and taking 12mg of Entocort every day along with the occasional methyl dose pack (one week supply of prednisone) when things start to get ugly.
    Im going to see my GI on friday, and tell him Im going to start looking for another doc to treat me, preferably in NYC at NY Presbyterian or Monitfiore or Columbia Hospitals, and they can start me on some kind of pain management regimen. But that could takes weeks, so in the mean time I have to make some phone calls to try and get my daily 40-50mg of oxycodone so I can attempt to go to work and/or do work around the house so I can feel somewhat useful and not a total waste of life.

    Also, Ive talked to my father about his friends who are DR's possibly just writing something small in the mean time so I dont have to spend $20-$30 a day on pain meds so I can function. He told me that 'There's no way they would do that' for me, so it looks like Im left with making phone calls and trying to medicate myself in the mean time, although he knows exactly what it going on with me (we keep in touch often)
     

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    [QUOTE][ know the rush is short, but you likely would not feel w/ds for at least a few hours after a decent dose of hydromorphone/QUOTE]


    Yes. You shoudn't feel w/d for at least 6 hours after decent shot (8-12mg), probably longer. It's a pretty potent drug if you have enough.

    Not as potent as h but has a better rush. I find if you are dosing in the 'teens' it is pretty potent stuff.
     

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    I done 12mg in like 10 minutes (8mg in one shot then 4mg a few min later) and just felt ....the opposite of overwhelmed. It is just my opinion but i dont know every time i do it i am less and less impressed. now if u put it in front of me ill shoot it all night long but it just feels like there is something missin from it, and i really dont think the rush is better, its all physical, it dont even hit your brain, theres no euphoria, its just like the feeling your body has on a strong clean e pill , all condensed down into a couple seconds of a rush. Its just me tho Im hatin I kno.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by lacey k View Post
    I done 12mg in like 10 minutes (8mg in one shot then 4mg a few min later) and just felt ....the opposite of overwhelmed. It is just my opinion but i dont know every time i do it i am less and less impressed. now if u put it in front of me ill shoot it all night long but it just feels like there is something missin from it, and i really dont think the rush is better, its all physical, it dont even hit your brain, theres no euphoria, its just like the feeling your body has on a strong clean e pill , all condensed down into a couple seconds of a rush. Its just me tho Im hatin I kno.
    dilaudid is definately an acquired taste. it suited my lifestyle for a long bit i liked it for a lot of different resons other than the high. ime and imo dilaudid is almost pointless to exceed 8mg in one shot. if you exceed 8mg it just feels like 8mg....IME and IMO. and also if you re-dose dilly's at anytime before 1-1.5 hours you just blew a shot. there is a high after the rush and it will last about an hour.

    i would take a huge dick hardening dilly rush over a nasty mild heroin high any time.

    thats just me.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisX3 View Post
    dilaudid is definately an acquired taste. it suited my lifestyle for a long bit i liked it for a lot of different resons other than the high. ime and imo dilaudid is almost pointless to exceed 8mg in one shot. if you exceed 8mg it just feels like 8mg....IME and IMO. and also if you re-dose dilly's at anytime before 1-1.5 hours you just blew a shot. there is a high after the rush and it will last about an hour.

    i would take a huge dick hardening dilly rush over a nasty mild heroin high any time.

    thats just me.
    Me too, I found though recently that the reason I wasn' so keen to IVing the pills and thought it was nowhere near the same as hospital IV'd dilaudid is I simply wasn't doing a large enough shot for my toleranc eto the drug since I take it on a daily basis as my main pain med (6x a day 4mg's) I shot 4mg's.... ... ...eh it was ok I felt SOMETHING. I shot 6mg's... .... .... felt just like 4mg's. Was overwhelmed with pain the other day and figured i'd give it one more go at 8mg's IV'd and damn near hit the floor when I plunged the rig down. It felt exactly like a 3-4mg shot given to me at the hospital. An explosion right in the dead center of my chest and every muscle in my body relaxed. I felt great for a good hour but nothing like those first 10 sec. when that rush just explodes.

    The rush from Hydromorphone is hands down a lot stronger and more of a kick then any shot i've ever had of Heroin & I shot a lot of H when I was younger. Im scared that I got such a good shot off the D's finally because I get so many. I had to throw away all of my rigs last night so I wouldn't be tempted to continue that bad habit. I'll attempt to just save it for the worst case pain scenario's as an alternative to going to the stupis ER for an exspenisve ass Zofran and Dilaudid shot. Both drugs which I have and CAN administer at home and save me $1000
     

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    I'm gonna have to be the dissenting voice on this. Heroin rush > Dilaudid rush.

    I find the rush from Heroin to be more all encompassing and pleasurable. It is warmer, fuzzier. A shot of Dilaudid feels like going down a steep hill in your car too fast. Your muscles slack and you can't breathe for 5 seconds, then nothing.

    Prickly Histamine overload beats being hit with a chemical bus anyday
     

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    this "muscle rush" is from morphine and its other forms, morphine has always given me that amazing instant muscle relaxing spread thru my body when IV'd. No matter how much dope ive ever done has given me that rush. However it is really short, the mix of the 2 is amazing.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthas View Post
    Haha, well I guess it isnt.

    Lets say, As soon as it hits, my muscles all over my body go all jello like. I tend to have to hold myself up and slowly lower myself down onto the floor/toilet/chair depending where I am because it just feels so damn good. Anyways, im just wondering if Heroin can have the same effects, or if only dilaudid is known for this.
    in my experience heroin is more of a head rush partial body... dilaulid is all body and partial head
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by mannequin View Post
    in my experience heroin is more of a head rush partial body... dilaulid is all body and partial head
    Dilaudid feels like its all in my chest, like a firecracker blowing up in my chest and spreading. It doesn't really effect my head much at all. But boy does it relieve my pain which is all centered deep in my stomach. So I think it being more in my body then my head is why I enjoy it more. It's why I keep it as my main pain killer because I even get that body analgesia from eating, snorting, plugging them. I honestly hardly ever IV them. Maybe once every few months If i'm having a horrible bout of pain that would require a hospital trip and them to give me IV Dilaudid. I just do it at home cheaper and without having to wait 3 hours for help.

    I don't even think my answer here was what rush feels better, it was more like what one was stronger. Hands down Dilaudids rush is like a train hitting you. It hits so hard and has such an instant feeling of good everywhere and strong analgesia. Heroin never gave me near the same pain relief.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthas View Post
    I noticed. Friend dropped me off some H tonight, not sure how much it was, (tiny bag, couldnt even fit a dime into it i dont think. Anyways, It was completely different then anything I've ever felt before. Though I only took a tiny bit because I wasnt sure how much for my first time. I just stuck a knife in there and covered the tip then put that in my spoon twice. Anyways, no initial rush, maybe its because I did so little. But I did start to feel something about 3-5 minutes later, and I was definitly nasueas after about 30 min.
    Tomorrow my friends coming back and im gunna try a larger amount, see if its nice. Just something to get by till wed when my k8's come in

    Just wondering, what the hell are k8's??? I don't live in the US, so I've never heard of that term before.
     

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    Just wondering, what the hell are k8's??? I don't live in the US, so I've never heard of that term before.
    In the old days, Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) was manufactured by Knoll Pharmaceuticals, the tablets had a K imprint on one side (For 'Knoll'), and a number on the other side (designating the dose of the tablet). A K8 is 8mg of Hydromorphone, a K2 is 2mg Hydromorphone, etc.
     

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    Ahahah this thread is funny... I remember when I used to have enough money to blow on dillies and raw. Making up 16mg dilauded shots and then throwing 3 packs of raw in there... that will start your night off.

    Dilauded is not really worth it though. It is like opiate crack, and IMO if your raw is good enough, the ruch is as good, over even better.

    The best "opiate pill" rush for me has been those PF 100 morphine, that are similar to oxycontin in composition. Those fucking feel so good to bang that it almost hurts. I'll stand up and almost fall down from the fucking rush... oh man. But again, the high doesn't stick around that long... well at least for me. 6 in a day will almost... almost get me a nod.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lenses View Post


    Support your local heroin dealer!
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    I did this on Thursday - he was very happy for my support!

    I then made a;

    Total cunt of myself in front of my Subutex councillor (SP?)..

    Total cunt of myself in front of anybody on platform 11 at Bristol Meads stations - around 3pm-4pm.

    Total cunt of myself in front of the train carridge - when I started dribbling on myself, but mostly when I started gagging and vomited several feet short of the actual toilet.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eight0Eight View Post
    I did this on Thursday - he was very happy for my support!

    I then made a;

    Total cunt of myself in front of my Subutex councillor (SP?)..

    Total cunt of myself in front of anybody on platform 11 at Bristol Meads stations - around 3pm-4pm.

    Total cunt of myself in front of the train carridge - when I started dribbling on myself, but mostly when I started gagging and vomited several feet short of the actual toilet.
    * In fact, I have a distinct memory of a single mother giving me a bollocking for being so fucked. I remember just laughing her off - and dribbling some more.


    It wasn't till this afternoon that I felt back to mormal and not stoned. Thankfuly, I injected 8mg of buprenorphine when I woke up with no kick-back - precipitated WD. Just felt normal.
     

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    I used to get a kick ass rush from IV'ing 6 or 8mg, but now I feel almost nothing from it. How can I get that back? Do I have to quit taking it for a long time, or something? Could it be because I'm on fentanyl now? I was really happy just doing 6 or 8mg before, and now it's such a disappointment. Is my tolerance just too high now? I can't really just quit taking them, because they're prescribed for my pain, but I sure wish I could feel that wonderful IV rush again. I only get the 2mg pills, and I only have 1cc needles. I can't seem to get enough of it into that small of a rig. I need a bigger syringe to get more than 6 or 8mg into it, I guess? Or is there a way? How can I buy bigger syringes? I've always just asked for insulin needles. Is there a bigger syringe I can ask for that wouldn't attract any attention, like just asking for insulin needles? The drug stores don't even seem to question those. Do bigger ones require a prescription or something?
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    I just had a spontaneous pneumothorax and drove myself to the ER (I live right next to it). I learned about this during my EMT-Paramedic class but I never thought I'd see it in person, let alone have one myself. Within 5 minutes of arriving in the ER, I had an IV in my right AC and was given, in sequence, one after the other, Zofran, Tramadol, and then 1mg Dilaudid. I turned to the nurse after the third injection and asked her, "Was that the Dilaudid?" ... "Yep." WOW. That was my first time ever having opiates via IV. I can vouch for the rush, it hit me by about the same times it takes to say "Dilaudid." I've never tried heroin so I cannot comment on that, but Dilaudid IV was something I wouldn't mind trying agian... though not being able to breathe sucked balls. They gave me a Dilaudid pump, which I could press every 20 minutes and get 0.2 mgs of Dilaudid IV for 4 days. I set a recurring alarm on my blackberry to go off exactly every 20 minutes. They let me go with 30 Norcos and a lot of Tramadol pills... interesting experience. They also gave me Ativan 1mg IV twice while I was there... I have been prescribed it in higher doses but IV Ativan is a completely different story than pill form from my experience... like really > completely different. I was hallucinating. I saw an 8 foot tall chicken walk into a cave in my room that did not exist... I shook hands with a young man that wasn't there... I asked my parents if the 8 foot tall chicken freaked them out like it had freaked me out and it turns out they were never there then... they walked in not long after and I questioned them about it... let's just say they were quite confused and laughed a little... I saw a friend I haven't seen in over 7 years standing behind my dad who was seated in the corner of the room... he just stood there and looked at me for awhile... I didn't say anything to him... I can't remember a lot of what happened during those 4 days, but those moments stand out in my mind. They gave me 1mg Dilaudid IV three times while I was there. The norcos turned out not to help my pain much at all because my chest cavity had been stretched so much and my whole body (joints/muscles and all) ached badly, so I saw another ER doctor who I had been referred to by a doctor-friend, and he prescribed me 100 X 4mg Dilaudid (Hydromorphone) pills, which I read, and found out, do not work well when taken orally, and the other ER doctor gave me 15 Lortabs. That was a few weeks ago. My chest still hurts. Oh yeah, when they first wheeled me up to the room after I was in the ER for a few hours, they gave me 2mgs of Morphine IV twice... I let the nurse know that I felt absolutely nothing, and I wasn't bending the truth or lying about it one bit... 4mgs of Morphine did not affect me at all... so she brought in the 1mg of Dilaudid again.

    and the 8 foot chicken wasn't your normal chicken... it had metal, mechanical legs and was like half-chicken half-robot... it turned to look in my eyes before it disappeared into the cave and it's eyes were blazing red... NOT cool.

    When they hit you with ativan, did they stick like a 5ml needle in your iv tube with maybe 2mg of ativan diluted with saline? Thats what they did to me... However, I was in there for IV drug use, and I think he was trying to make sure I didn't get a rush. Tricky bastard.
     

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