Enough. Reform the lounge already

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Redleader said:
I will say this, the subjective nature of what is and what is not allowed in The Lounge on BL is a complete joke. People have said it before, but a LOT of stuff is let through that is clearly against the rules as linked-to on the forum homepage.
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i don't want to single you out but you have never reported a lounge post so, on paper, 'we' think that redleader is fine with what's going on in the lounge. there's a mechanism for bringing to our attention posts which you think are a problem. you've chosen not to use it so, in many cases, it's hard to reconcile people telling us "the lounge sucks" with the fact that they chose not to do anything about it. further, the burden is not great - there's a button right next to a post and all people have to do is click it, type "i think this post breaks guidelines" and press a button.
Redleader said:
So yes, as it stands people actually don't know what's right or wrong in the Lounge, so who can REALLY blame attitudes anywhere from confustion to disdain over situations such as this with CG.
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it's my opinion that the lounge staff - and the lounge community in general - have a good grasp of what goes and what does not. those who were recently banned had over 30 warnings and numerous temp bans between them. to hear them say (or you say on their behalf) "we didn't know we were doing anything wrong" is cynical nonsense. they knew exactly that what they were doing was wrong but did it anyway. do you think that writing "atri is a nigger lover" is acceptable?

cg had 13 warnings and numerous temporary bans. at what point does somebody get the message that posts like that are unacceptable?
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The Administrators of BL, I believe, need to objectifty the rules for The Lounge and be sure that the lounge mods don't give anybody breaks. And IMO clear numerical rules need to be made about how many warnings it takes to be banned, and how many temp bans lead to a perminent ban.
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i have never been a fan of mandatory sentencing because it removes discretionary power from those who are closest to the issues - the forum staff. we've (senior staff have) been accused of being too authoritarian. damned if we do and damned if we don't? sure.

we prefer, generally, to defer to forum staff and having mandatory limits removes that power. further, i made the point to fjones about different standards of behaviour across different forums and having a rigid '3 warnings and you are banned' approach creates problems there too. we could mitigate this with a more subtly defined set of warnings which have different values in different forums but there is work to be done there and that time would be much better spent on other tasks which are more central to the mission of the site.

alasdair
 
i really dont see how the shit that goes down really affects the forum as a whole. there might be a few isolated incidents but in general it usually stays in there and people should realize that its different than the rest of the forum and the mods in there seem to do a pretty good job keeping it from negatively affecting anyones experience trying to get answers about drugs and shit. stop fuckin complaining.
 
Pillthrill said:
No, I just wasn't thinking ahead. Nothing new.
But I still do believe there should be SAFE lounge threads.
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This statement is very self serving. The lounge, like the rest of this site, does not revolve around you. If you choose to launch in to a thread making claims of unfair treatment by mods of other forums, cry and moan for sympathy as usual and get the same response you get from dark siders except a lot harsher: too bad. Post at your own risk. You have been around long enough to know that the lounge is what it is.

In fact, I put it to you that you deliberately post the way you do, say the things you say in order to come off looking like a poor, picked on sap who constantly needs attention and help but never accepts it or improves.

When people, mods especially, realise your game of envoking a pity party and come down hard on you, you respond and bounce back for a while saying everything is great and youre going to treatment and all is good.

Them when the positive attention wears off you again start your "woe as me" shit. You shit stir to look like a victim. You are not a victim. You just want attention and its obvious.

I think you mimic a lot of other peoples issues when they seem to be the centre of attention because of that issue.

The lounge does not have to bow to your demand for attention. But we can pull the piss at your constant demanding pressure for it when people in other forums have to walk the fine line of politeness with you.

A fair few people and myself call bull shit on your issues. You are just here as you cant be bothered actually doing something about your
Self diagnosed disorders and i think you waste the valuable time of Dark Side posters and mods who could put their entire life into helping you and it would never be enough.

The lounge is a place where you can be called out as a fake due to your own behaviour where you have to be taken seriously regardless in Dark side. I hope you get help for this behaviour before you get banned again.
 
i only skimmed this stupid, stupid thread, but i'm sure someone by this point has invited fjones to post whatever threads he feels worthy of whatever discussion he wishes to have in the lounge. or in one of the harm reduction forums. this is a harm reduction website, after all?

perhaps someone else will even like them and post in them.
 
shit, never started a single thread in any forum related to harm reduction. that's a surprise.
 
Fjones...if you only browsed BL through a mod's view you'd be shocked at how much keyboard diarreah some of these fools post. The sheer number of reported and unapproved posts are a lot higher than you think. The staff keeps this place clean and civil. Sometimes it's as bad as being a mop boy at the peepshow. It's a thankless but necessary job. Your view is really chronologically limited here, and imo, this site is in the best hands it has ever been in.

Just mellow out and watch how things shape up...things are starting to get better

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Lounge has been a bit shit because it was let go that way. Not much reign was used to reel CG et all in. This was a moderation issue, but not knowing what discussions were had, if any, about how to pull the lounge out of
That particular direction, I cant criticise the mods at all.

The forums are for all different things and aspects of personalities.
Lounge posters are the same people who post in Dark Side, Other drugs, SLR, everywhere. There are rules to follow like everywhere else, but the beauty of the Lounge is- its like a truth serum forum. Other areas demand seriousness and to pamper (at times) people who need it, example being pill thrill. But you can tell from restrained responses she gets that if she pulls the same shit where things are more liberal- she will not be met with the responses she gets elsewhere. Because its what we really think of her selfish behaviour that absorbs the time and patience of the staff and members of serious forums. Those members include Lounge folk. Dont bring your pity party to the Lounge PT. Its being called out for the fake waste of time it is.
 
Fjones said:
This is a harm reduction website. The Lounge is a degenerate forum where some of the more contemptible individuals go to act like total assholes and pass it off as "it's the lounge! It isn't serious."


WHY THE FUCK DOES A HARM REDUCTION SITE, and a great one at that, have a cesspool like the lounge?
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For a site like this, outlet is needed. Should do self a favor and stay out of Lounge if you find it bad.
 
grow thicker skin cuz you are not in the majority here.

dont think your gonna win this one.

lounge is the most active forum by far on this forum. its a fan favorite so to speak
 
Pillthrill said:
But I still do believe there should be SAFE lounge threads.
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what do you mean by safe?

the lounge staff have never made any secret of their ability to keep threads focused if that's what the op wants. if you start a thread in the lounge and you don't want it to drift, all you have to do is report the post or drop the lounge staff a pm asking them to be extra vigilant about off-topic posts in the thread.

the lounge is no different than any other forum in this regard (beyond the natural tendency of lounge threads to often be more generalised and less topic-centric than threads in more focused forums).

alasdair
 
This argument is ridiculous..
Sure, sometimes people go over the top. They face the consequences.
Don't like it - don't post there. It really is that simple.
I think the mods actually do a really good job in the lounge, recurring misbehavers are dealt with accordingly.
The mods there have a really difficult job and deserve more credit than they get.
The majority is tongue in cheek humour.
 
Pillthrill said:
Fjones, there is no winning. They will keep their stupid lounge. Hopefully some
off topic" non-trolling, mehm threads such as pic threads will stay free of that and other shit.
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If all you do is go through life expecting everyone to cater to your needs and change accordingly to your demands then you are always going to be one very unhappy woman.
 
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bluelight is not "G" rated.

nb: the lounge tag line warns that it contains lighthearted and off topic banter and to post at your own risk.

if you feel that a certain comment is not "light hearted" please report it and it will be assessed by the fine staff there. if it is by a poster you are unfamiliar with and it is not edited, it means that it is known that that person is not serious. you are welcome to PM the staff at any time to discuss anything or anyone.

if you do not like the type of humour others use, well, the place is for everyone, so you'll have to get over it. a good approach would be to apply the kind of humour you would like to see. at times it feels futile but don't be discouraged. things catch on slowly when dealing with so many people.


again: bluelight is not "G" rated
 
My problem with the lounge has always been that what you're allowed to say completely depends on who you are. A long time ago I posted in the lounge making fun of randycaver in the EXACT same way she talked shit to someone else there and it was not a friendly thing between friends. I received a warning because of it (from randycaver) but randycaver was a mod there so she gets away with whatever. Mods close threads they simply don't like, the "regulars" all adhere to a certain mindset and if you don't follow you'll be ostracized.

Also, its mostly the same threads being redone that have existed for years now and random rantings by the regulars or "lounge drama." Anything outside of this is quickly closed or hijacked by regulars as a place to talk about their bullshit.

The lounge is like 4chan. Anonymous + lax rules = shit every time. Sometimes this shit is entertaining but its not the most fun to try to start a serious or non-shit topic in which is why there are other forums to post those things in.

In short..

The lounge will never be anything other than what it is because anonymous people with no rules turns into a bunch of retards yelling at each other and reposting the same shit over and over very quickly (4chan). The only way to change this would be adding rules that would make it just another forum like Second Opinion or whatever.

So, simply don't post there or conform to the nature of the forum.

Oh removing mods from the lounge might be a good idea too. Of course, things like child porn or drug sources or whatever should be moderated. However, the mods remove the "open" atmosphere that the lounge is supposed to have by closing threads in what seems like a random way sometimes and choosing favorites who get to bend the rules or get away with more than others at times.

Oh and I search through my posts in the lounge (all 77 of them, whoa, 12 a year) and found a couple examples of what I mean...

Why were these two threads I made closed? They don't violate any of the lounge "rules" other than the mods apparently didn't like them.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=401655&page=2
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=400767&page=2

This is what I mean by what you can do depends on who you are. If I was a regular poster who made thousands of posts a month I could easily make a thread like this that stayed open forever. The lounge pretends to be a carefree do whatever place "post at your own risk" open forum but even when you don't break any "rules" the mods can be all up in your shit and so can the regulars.

Either admit its a somewhat Nazi environment or leave it open the way the stupid forum description says its supposed to be. Don't have any moderators except some "hidden mods" that just keep child porn/sources/other extreme content under control.

Also, I've been on bluelight since the very start under a different name. However, I posted in the lounge often and apparently upset some of the psychotic regulars there who started following me around the forum talking shit. So, I decided to change my name and basically never post there again which is why I have an average of 1 post a month in the lounge but nearing 3,000 posts total. I'd like to know how many of the lounge regulars have post counts that aren't 99% one liner bullshit posted in the lounge.
 
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féminin_grâce said:
Hear, Hear!! Thank you for the courage to speak out! This site of the lounge gives a bad name to the whole Bluelight forum, nothing less then a porn site at times, and even some of the avatars should be banned. I am a visitor tot the country I am at present, and I use the library to get to Bluelight. They monitor Internet usage and they shut the browser the minute I get on the Bluelight site. Each time I read posts a certain avatar comes on, that should only be allowed to be on porn sites. There are children on the adjoining computers also and I find myself covering the screen. How discraceful, to be allowed all this on this forum.
The members should not be allowed to have such total freedom to act in such a way that it disgraces the whole of the forum.
I am only using the forum because there are very educated and intelligent people getting into worthwile discussions and it makes it viable also when it is harm reduction advise to people who are endangering themselves using drugs. But pornography and going out of control with what they want to do of the forum has made me wonder who runs the show, the forum or the members. Without rules to follow people become animals.
Place some rules, and remove the pornography!!
Well said Fjones!!!
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woah, I thought french people loved porn. this is a mindblower. 8o
 
féminin_grâce said:
Hear, Hear!! Thank you for the courage to speak out! This site of the lounge gives a bad name to the whole Bluelight forum, nothing less then a porn site at times, and even some of the avatars should be banned. I am a visitor tot the country I am at present, and I use the library to get to Bluelight. They monitor Internet usage and they shut the browser the minute I get on the Bluelight site. Each time I read posts a certain avatar comes on, that should only be allowed to be on porn sites. There are children on the adjoining computers also and I find myself covering the screen. How discraceful, to be allowed all this on this forum.
The members should not be allowed to have such total freedom to act in such a way that it disgraces the whole of the forum.
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If you have issues with a person's choice of avatar, you can turn that feature off in your user CP under settings & options and then edit options.

If "porn" is an issue to you browsing the site, then perhaps not going to the lounge when you're on a public computer is your best bet. the only "porn" that i've seen in there is the nudie thread which is pretty self explanatory. the mods and users are generally pretty good about putting NSFW in the title of the thread to advise those who do not wish to see it not to enter.

I use a public computer at school, and while my fellow students could really give a rats ass about tits & ass, i'd rather not have to deal with it. same goes if i'm using my personal laptop in a public place. i know that by going into some threads that there may be nudity or a disgusting picture, so i don't go. if you see something that is questionable, then use the REPORT button.
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féminin_grâce said:
Hmm, that is quite a generalization don't you think? Who you are and what you like comes down to values and ethics. I don't believe that sexuality or the body, comes down to the point of being so disgraced and losing all respect exposing ones genitalia on the internet, at a forum!
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That's pretty offensive. I have personally posted in the nude forum, and I'm sick of hearing you talk shit about it just because it doesn't match up with your "superior" morals.

You act as though posing naked = losing respect for yourself.. definently not true. I think you're the one making a generalization. I totally respect myself and my body. It's not like I'm some hooker on the corner.. I don't whore around or sell myself. A lot of people (including me) think that the naked body is a beautiful thing - I don't mean mine, just nudity in general- and it's only as "dirty" as you choose to think of it. You can have your own opinion about things without stating it in such a rude way, you know.

You indirectly attacked me with your last post ^ and you insulted my intelligence in another thread, and frankly I just think you need to chill out a little bit. You come off kind of like a know it all.
 
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Words cannot express how I have come to feel about this argument.

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féminin_grâce said:
Hmm, that is quite a generalization don't you think? Who you are and what you like comes down to values and ethics. I don't believe that sexuality or the body, comes down to the point of being so disgraced and losing all respect exposing ones genitalia on the internet, at a forum!
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My oh my... this thread has been pretty painful to read already (i.e. *facepalm* after about every other post) but you coming in here, brand new, not even taking the time to learn your way around the site or tools, and already complaining that a DRUG SITE has things that you find improper or offensive?? I dont even know what to say to that. Once you actually figure out the buttons and settings, maybe then your complaints will be taken more seriously.

Also, as has been pointed out several times here, if you dont like it, dont go there. If you are in a public place with children around, dont venture into the lounge. Seems pretty simple to me, its a big website.
 
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