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Stimulants Lower Back Ache From Adderall / Amphetamine

ErgicMergic said:
Oh, I meant for muscle aches due to vasoconstriction. If you scroll up, you'll see I've never dosed amps, but I get this problem from high doses of LSD, usually from 2 hits or more. I take beta blockers now, I wasn't physically dependent on them my last trip, so I'll be careful with dosing it now. AFAIK, if you dose a beta blocker before you're stimulated, you should be fine. It's when you're already stimulated that it can cause risk of stroke iirc.

I get the drug side effect argument, but my monthly dosing of LSD is rare enough to not worry about that.

Caffeine is never ingested while I'm on LSD, and I don't use nicotine. I think these aches are definitely due to vasoconstriction, like you pointed out, since smoking cannabis eases them (vasodilator). It's not that big a deal, it's just after the peak when my neck and back start to ache, pretty badly, seriously distracting me from my trip. It's bad enough for me to consider dosing Kratom, but I never do since doing addictive drugs during tripping might engrain them in to our thought patterns, since the brain's plasticity is pretty high during a psychedelic experience; I've broken addiction with LSD.
You may be surprised to hear this, but pure LSD does not produce any body load. The muscle cramps are from the impurities. I know many claim nothing is as active as LSD, but that is not true. These impurities, in combination with LSD, are very active. ergotamine is dosed at 1mg, but only has a 5% bioavailability and is highly bound to plasma protein. I suspect the LSD inhibits CYP3A4, like most ergoloid do, and displaces impurities from plasma protein, making them available to the body. They might not make you trip, or stop a headache, but they can ruin a trip. I think that some may actually enjoy the speedy trip they induce and it may potentiate LSD, hence some less ethical cooks leave them in.

Beta blockers are the LAST thing that will counteract the impurities. The prescribing information for ergotamine say"The beta-blocker Inderal (propranolol) has been reported to potentiate the vasoconstrictive action of CAFERGOT® (ergotamine tartrate and caffeine tablets, USP) by blocking the vasodilating property of epinephrine." No beta-blockers with stimulants still applies. In fact, I suspect one of the impurities may have a beta-blocking effect, potentiating the adrenalic effects of the other impurities;Many ergoloid are mixed agonist/antagonist.

You could still try alkyl nitrites, they can counteract ergotamine, but some love them, many really hate them because it can cause a bad headache. It probably will potentiate the trip. I wouldn't know, no porn/smoke shops seem to sell them where I live. The aspirin couldn't hurt, but I don't think it will stop the cramps. I think the stimulant effect of kratom may make the cramps worse, but who knows, maybe it's a good combination.
 
ditto to everyone, i've had severe back pain since i started on adderall... been to every doc there is and they just refer me and prescribe something new. so i stopped the adderall and now i'm still in pain... sucks.
 
bend over and let your arms hang down, try to touch your feet. tuck your head as far in as you can too. itll stretch out your back muscles and you can do it anywhere. i do it almost every day because i smashed my t11 disc from a waterfall jump on big island hi. it makes the pain go away. just have to dangle there for a minute or two =)
 
Classic dehydration.

Your kidneys are screaming at you because you forgot to drink fluids on the Adderall. It acts as a diuretic, meaning you lose a ton of fluids. First from the increased urination rate, second from being active.

Drink more water.
 
Have had these after a day of meth before, honestly I would say make sure you are drinking appropriate amounts of water, keep a glass around. Don't stay in a certain position or place for too long so you can get up and stretch a little. Maybe eating would help too.
 
yeah, it MUST be the kidneys hurting from all that lack of water. just throbbing away like they always do when theyre thirsty...
 
I just came across your thread there are a few factors that cause your pain. First adderall is known to cause muscle and joint pain no matter what. Not to mention headaches. Now its not your kidneys. Depending on how old you are yeah it excretes through your kidneys but its broken down in your liver and unless you have inability to urinate thats how you know your kidneys are shutting down. Lower back pain from kidney issues is the last stage. This is the reason. The adderall is depleting your adrenals. which are located in the exact same spot but only in front of them. it causes adrenal fatique syndrome. thats why it blast's your body with neuro-epinephrin. Which activates your sympathetic nervous system. Which in turn increases your out put of kidney production and waste and may raise your enzymes a tad. Now i can already se what your issue is. Dehydration my friend. thats your answer. Continue to drink plenty of water while you take the adderall because its known as any stim to cause dehydration. And after that you could start experiencing muscle breakdown which is deadly. But as long as you dont have severe pain when you urinate/ or any blood your ok. And if its dark yellow your good. Because your still going to be a tad dehydrated no matter your water intake and your urine might have an odor to it. some times my whole body hurts from the shit. so i take muscle relaxer's or beno's to counter that effect thats the only thing i hate about it. any other issues let me know i been on it and researching for yours man.
I've noticed that after 1 or 2 days of moderate adderall use (20-60mg daily) my lower back is sore. Anyone know what the cause of this is (I'm thinking kidneys perhaps?)

I *know* its the adderall because if I stop, it goes away in a day. If I redose, it comes back. Couldn't be spine/bone, perhaps my muscles tighten from the amphetamine? But why only lower back? Or is it secretion of the drug through kidneys?

And also, is it something I should worry about (as in I should not be taking adderall because my body responds this way).

Thanks
 
I just read the first post and gave him my input and decided to see what other's said as i was scrolling down i came upon yours man. Nice seems like someone else knows what they are talking about.
Hmm, that's first thing I thought when I read the title, as when I started Adderall it seemed like I was always leaning forward trying to get more into a game or lecture.

If posture and exercise aren't helping, I don't know what to tell you besides see if there's a compromise dose that helps you to a lesser degree but doesn't cause as much back pain. I know how a lot of small things can detract from the productivity of amps, like wondering if everyone's looking at your sweaty pits.

I do think the issue is muscular, not kidneys, based on what you told us. Daily use of Adderall at a constant dose will see a very significant drop in that sort of dirty, adrenergic problem. The CNS effects don't develop a tolerance as fast as the PNS effects with moderate dosing. Of course, the PNS effects return more drastically after a drug holiday than CNS.

If you're not prescribed and just enjoying them I wouldn't worry about it too much. 20-60mg for an occasional user will definitely have the back tight. A good magnesium supplement will reduce muscle tension. Clonidine is used off-label for taking away a good chunk of the PNS effects of stims while leaving you all of the positive mental aspects, but this is probably hard to find unless you get it from a doc (there was a recent thread on this you can search for). A low-dose of benzos or soma would help, too, but obviously Valium and Soma will do that job at a therapeutic dose with less change to your mental high (GABAergics can decrease your ability to remember shit you study, even if you don't black out).

EDIT: P.S., would you mind telling us a little bit more about the back pain? Looking back over my and your posts, it seems I was putting my own experiences on this and you may have a more serious problem, depending on the severity of back pain. I'll basically feel like I need to keep leaning back and popping my back, but I'm usually back to normal after sleep. Is it just sore like the day after a good workout? Or worse?
 
Maybe you are keeping your back muscles really tight because of the stimulation from the adderall. This could make your back sore.

Or, are you doing something like being in an uncomfortable position for hours? This is easy to do with adderall and may make your back sore, too

bingo

same happens to me on ritalin....better posture from the stim,,,,your back sint used to it....thats how i know im understimulated and NEED these kind of drugs
 
Have you thought about a good chiropractor to loosen things up? Maybe some yoqa and def some magnesum.
 
when i'm high on amps i feel less pain in my back (i have chronic back pain) but when i come down i hurt like hell
 
I've noticed that after 1 or 2 days of moderate adderall use (20-60mg daily) my lower back is sore. Anyone know what the cause of this is (I'm thinking kidneys perhaps?)

I *know* its the adderall because if I stop, it goes away in a day. If I redose, it comes back. Couldn't be spine/bone, perhaps my muscles tighten from the amphetamine? But why only lower back? Or is it secretion of the drug through kidneys?

And also, is it something I should worry about (as in I should not be taking adderall because my body responds this way).

Thanks

Stabilise the dose to a reasonable amount on a consistent basis and it will likely dissipate over time. If i were to take 60mg of Dexedrine over the course of a day i get aches myself,your on the go all day long and you forget that you need to relax and take a break to relieve the tension these drugs tend to cause. the sensation of pain is decreased and its easy to sit in one position for excessive amounts of time (faster perception of time and euphoria). Its difficult to tell whether your hungry or thirsty so its easy to dehydrate or drink too much water resulting in electrolyte imbalance which can strain your kidneys and cause back pain. If your taking 60mg regularly you may also be experiencing hypertension which can cause similar symptom. Its important to prioritize what your using stimulants for, you dont need 20 mg of adderral to go through your emails.The best course of action is reajust your priorites.

Catapres may help you relax at the end of the day, magnesium too.
 
Stimulant abuse can cause symptoms of Parkinson's. It can also be caused by restlessness, anxiety, agitation, and tense muscles as a result of stimulant abuse. For me, muscle relaxants and acetaminophen abuse did not help with the symptoms of Parkinson's which happens as a result of low dopamine levels after abrupt cessation of stimulant abuse. A medicinal dose of a prescription stimulant or an antidepressant can help. Another fix is to continue getting high or staying clean to allow the dopamine receptors to repair itself.
 
adderal makes my body feel like total crap after I use it, i really hate it.

crystal meth usually doesn't, i feel more fatigued than sore after using that and can more comfortably come down. It's strange, doesn't make much sense to me.
 
i have the same problem sometimes, always thought it was dehydration / overworking your back muscles
 
i seem to get back pain if im sitting or standing all the time esp. on adderall alone...
took one this morning before class, it always makes me very edgy...

I'm waiting on some dilaudid to help my back but it may be a bit.....
 
I also find that taking magnesium supplements help with amphetamine-induced muscle tension.

Do this! Get some Magnesium sulphate/Epsom salts and take just under half a teaspoon (a teaspoon full will be 5g, if you take that much you'll get the shits really bad!).

Also instead of drinking water try drinking isotonic drinks (Gatorade, Lucuzade, Powerade them types of drinks!) as they contain electrolytes (Sodium, potassium, magnesium, calcium, citrate salts etc) to keep the water balance correct in your body and sugar which will help stop hypoglycaemia (Low blood sugar) which can cause both psychological and physiological problems one being that it can be mistaken for amphetamine psychosis if really bad!

Drinking isotonic drinks is a good thing to do when taking stimulants, especially MDMA, as it reduces the risk of Hyponatremia (American English)/Hyponatraemia (British English) which is low sodium levels/water overdose. This and hyperthermia (Over-heating) is what generally kills people who take MDMA and then die.

I never said Ecstasy because that's cut to fuck and can contain PMA which does lead to OD easily, unlike MDMA.
 
I am rx'd adderall ir 30mg@15mg×2 daily. Previously I was rx'd ritalin for many years, which I had to discontinue using due to total loss of efficacy along with severe, debilitating anxiety and agoraphobia. I know the body's chemistry changes over time which can dramatically alter the desired outcome or beneficial properties of a drug, causing it to behave much differently than expected based upon past use.

Adderall & other amph stims lets me "push through" the brain fog of fatigue and lethargy associated with chronic illness. And while I do know and adhere to my body's limits, in an amph/stim enhanced state of focus and energized motivation I find it easier to do pretty much anything. That said, by day's end my back, neck & shoulders hurts & muscles are sore (from exertion & old car accident injuries), for which I take soma. Btw I find addies & soma to be a pleasing combo.

Hope you find the right thing for you!
 
I am thinking and wondering if people get this also with dextroamphetamine.
Reason why i question is because Dextroamphetamine lacks the Levo Amphetamine component unlike Adderall.
And levo amp has been shown to mostly affect the cardiovascular system and has apparently little to no effect on your cognitive abilities. In other words theres really no need for Levo amp to be in Adderall. It should just be dextroamp.
Maybe the manufacturers of Adderall just do it to save money, to create a "new" drug that isn't dexedrine (brand name for dextroamphetamine where i am) or something. Would not be surprised with pharma companies doing that to make extra $.

Explains why heart racing unbearably, body aches , etc isn't as common of a side effect with dex but is with Adderall.
I mean it can happen with dex too but you would have to take a higher dose of it i'd imagine to experience these side effects vs the dose you would have to take of adderall (which would be less) to experience these same side effects.

I also use adderall like the OP for writing papers, studying etc. Occasionally.
Im very conscious of my posture, get up every 20 mins to stretch etc.
I found these stretches do wonders to RELIEVE -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f1Y4OV3QlA . I believe they are based on yoga ... BUT within about half an hour I'm back to square one. And my back kills again .
Hate it lol.

I dont like to smoke marijuana while on Adderall despite me usually being a big fan of mj. However i find mj clouds the high a bit especially when I'm trying to focus on a paper or something.
But sometimes I'm forced to use it while on adderall because its the only thing besides those stretches ^ that relieve :/ Again relieve but not take away.
Nothing seems too -_-
Shame i have no access to dex . but for people who do i would highly suggest switching over to it or another ADHD medication that doesnt contain Levo Amp . Maybe see if that works. It might just. Hopefully.
 
Try pre-loading with magnesium and a lot of water.
Remember to stay hydrated.

http://www.rollsafe.org/ has a lot of helpful harm reduction and pre/post-loading tips regarding ecstasy, and various other amphetamines.
I recommend you check it out!
 
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