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    Are benzodiazepines (e.g. clonazepam, alprazolam, diazepam, etc.) that are found in pills in freebase form or bound to an ion (i.e. making it a salt, like xxxxxx hydrochloride or xxxxxx phosphate)?
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    vast majority are freebases, they're difficult to make salts.
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    Chlorazepate is the only one I can think of, off the top of my head that comes as a salt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ham-milton
    vast majority are freebases, they're difficult to make salts.
    Yo Ham, I've heard this before, but could someone explain to me why they are hard to convert into salts? On most like valium or temazepam I see a tertiary N that a H can attach to, or am I overlooking something? Maybe the triazolo ones like xanax that have some steric hindrance or others with their respective resonance forms that delocalize the lone pair into the ring decreasing the N's basicity. Hmmm, someone inform me! haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Limpet_Chicken
    Chlorazepate is the only one I can think of, off the top of my head that comes as a salt
    Midazolam ist also available as the Hydrochloride and the Maleate.

    For the majority of benzodiazepines there is simply no reason to make a salt, because the freebase is already a stable compound and gets quickly resorbed in the gastrointestinal tract.
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    how can diazepam be made into an injectable formulation if its a freebase? In Other Drugs they always warn ppl not to IV benzos because they are so insoluble in water
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    insoluble in water, yes.
    soluble in other things? yes.
    thats how diazepam vials/amps are made
    (don't feel like going into detail in what its soluble in, don't want to make anyone think its a good idea to do it)
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    propylene glycol could be used, but I don't know if thats safe to IV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johanneschimpo
    insoluble in water, yes.
    soluble in other things? yes.
    thats how diazepam vials/amps are made
    (don't feel like going into detail in what its soluble in, don't want to make anyone think its a good idea to do it)
    yep, I had a look at ingredients and I understand what you're saying now; the ingredients are almost identical to steroid (oil) preperations (1.5% benzyl alcohol, 5% benzyl benzoate, propylene glycol. I guess this is pretty standard across the board
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