Is Fentanyl Patches Safe If You Dont Have Any Opiod Tolerance?

[Unlucky]

12 mg an hour is the loswest dose I think, unless theres any other brand then duragesic that makes lower doses?

 

[NW-baltiland]

if you don't want to try it then throw them in the trash

woah woah woah lets not get too hasty here. but seriously just try it out for a couple hours and see how you feel. like it was said "we are not doctors" and we cannot tell you what you should and shouldn't put in your body.

 

[vortex30]

Well did you not say you IVed Fentanyl and it worked out 'great' why do you think this patch is gonna knock you off then? It will surely be more benign than IV.

 

[Unlucky]

Vortex, thats exactly right! i was given Iv fentanyl in hospital as a test trial before they put me on patches, and it went smooth, the iv fentanyl was actually higher dose then the patches they gave me.

BUT...when I got home and 8 hours later just when I was happy everything went great I unespectadely had a freak delay respiratory response to it.

The er doctor said the delayed response is due to is thought to be due to the reentry of fentanyl into plasma from deposits in tissue, muscle, and the gastrointestinal tract, leading to a secondary rise in the plasma concentration whilst in that 8 hour period my body had built up antibodies towards the fent and now saw it as a threat, How can this be?

I looked online and found this article supporting the dr's claims http://archsurg.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/123/1/66

 

[sonnyluv]

BUT...when I got home and 8 hours later just when I was happy everything went great I unespectadely had a freak delay respiratory response to it.

Explain freaky. There is respiratory depression, severe respiratory depression where I drag my knucles across your sternum in order to evaluate your response to painfull stimuli, and then there is "fill this bitch up with Narcan" respiratory depression.


Sounds like you had a level one respiratory depression. You anxiety is understandable but I canguarantee you there is not one single MD in America who would unknowingly give a patient too much narcotic with a diagnosed sensitivity to drug. Do as MD has prescribed. Have your parents watch you. If you become unconscious or unresponsive then they know to call 911. Have an epinephrine pen ready, that will keep you alive until the medics get there(this situation is not likely). This is workable, you will be fine.

 

[Unlucky]

Explain freaky. There is respiratory depression, severe respiratory depression where I drag my knucles across your sternum in order to evaluate your response to painfull stimuli, and then there is "fill this bitch up with Narcan" respiratory depression.

Hi sonnyluv, not "freaky" but more so in the term "freak" (as in a freak accident, unexpected). The last thing I woul have expected after a great response at the hospital was to experince some bizzare 8 hour delayed response.

You sound like a knowledgeble person so please tell me how is it possibe to develop antibodies to something like fentanyl so that your body switches from accepting it to suddenly seeng it as a threat, is the er doctor talking shit? I really hope he is wrong because i have finally discovered a medication i can take without adverse reaction but then ended up losing it on the same day. my excitement was short lived. and your correct in saying it was only level one, but thats to be expected from a 8 hour delayed response as the concentration only continues to deminish but if i was to retrial this time round I might not be as lucky from a fresh new admisitered dose

 

[sonnyluv]

and your correct in saying it was only level one, but thats to be expected from a 8 hour delayed response as the concentration

How do you know what is to be expected with an uncommon medical condition?

Not to minimize youur repiratory difficulites, but level one= anxiety.

IN term of the immune system mounting a response in terms of antibodies to an opiate I have no fucking clue. Sounds like a fancy way of saying a severe allergic reacction, though the bodies normal method of fighting an invader is through a the first stage of inflammation, i.e. swelling and histamine. I believe its IgE immunoglobulins that assist with allergic reactions and development of antigen antibodies. But really, sound like an allergic response.
MS Contin gives me a total body rash.

Best advice, do what your MD advises, seems like he/she is on their game.

 

[Unlucky]

How do you know what is to be expected with an uncommon medical condition?

Not to minimize youur repiratory difficulites, but level one= anxiety.

Oh ok it seems I may have misunderstood you. I realise I dint go into details regarding my symptoms as I thought my word would be sufficient but let me reassure you I dont suffer from any sort of anxiety or panic attacks, in my 32 years ive only ever experienced respiratory depression bout 6 times and each time has been recently and during the period I was trialing painkillers and they have occured during an adverse reactions to the opiates ive mentioned.

The delayed response i had towards fentanyl was exactly the same respiratory complications I had towards tramadol and the other opiates.
I was quite relaxed and carefree at the time when it came on, i began to feel like i wasnt getting enough oxygen and as if i was trying to breathing through a straw. My breathing was very shallow, forced and slow and felt like i would forget to breath and then when i did it was in the form of sudden gasp for air and then it would stop again for sometime. It was a suffocating uncomfortable sensation which i hope to never experince again.

 

[sonnyluv]

Unlucky-

Me thinks you might be full of shite or misinformed (hopefully).

Dysautonomia: autosomal-recessive disease OF CHILDHOOD characterized by defective lacrimation, skin blotching, EMOTIONAL INSTABILITY AND A TOTAL ABSCENCE OF PAIN SENSATION.

It's a genetic disease that doesn't have shit to do with what you are talking about.

Are you jewish?

 

[drunken_etard]

Hey Unlucky. If you dont mind me asking.. What drug did you overdose on to cause this condition?

 

[Unlucky]

Unlucky-

Me thinks you might be full of shite or misinformed (hopefully).

Dysautonomia: autosomal-recessive disease OF CHILDHOOD characterized by defective lacrimation, skin blotching, EMOTIONAL INSTABILITY AND A TOTAL ABSCENCE OF PAIN SENSATION.

It's a genetic disease that doesn't have shit to do with what you are talking about.

Are you jewish?

Im not full of shitem ive been living a disabled life for the past 8 years unable to work, study, or take care of myself, I experience severe symptoms everyday including constant overheating and heart problems ive lost my independence, my social life, friends, and most importantly my health and it all started on the day of my overdose, I have no reason to lie its just that you went and looked up "Familial Dysautonomia " instead of regular " Dysautonomia ".

I appreciate you taking an interest enough to look this up but it was the wrong one, just google " Dysautonomia " and avoid anything that has the word " Familial" in it as thats the genetic variation of the illness found in Jewish people.

 

[Unlucky]

Hey Unlucky. If you dont mind me asking.. What drug did you overdose on to cause this condition?

Hi, The first time i came to Bluelight it was to find answers and to see if anyone else had experienced what i did. I made the username "Unlucky" as it best described what happened to me. I found my very first post on Bluelight from the archives, it explains basicaly what happened if you like check it out.....

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=305029

 

[sonnyluv]

Have you ever heard of autonomic dysreflexia? It generally occurs with spinal cord injuries but sounds similar to your situation.It's caused by simulataneous para sympathetic and sympathetic activity, like I said, often from a spinal lesion.
Keep going to specialists, find your parameters for what works and what doesn't. Take the fent under medical supervision. Do you have a primary MD, they should back you up. The patch release is slow enough but hard to say.

Sorry I wish I could help but this complex neurology is out my meager league.
I believe you.

 

[The Monkey Mantra]

Fentanyl patches killed my friend's mom. I would be careful as fuck. There are more than a few people considering suing the manufacturers on these things. Please, please, PLEASE be careful, and if you can deal with Fentanyl, consider becoming a bit more tolerant to it by using the Actiq lollipop first.

 

[GETYAGUN!!11]

I chewed up half of a 100 mcg patch with moderate to low tolerance and didn't even come close to od'ing. However, i am 6-2 195 mostly muscle. Does this have anythign to do with how much one can take? seems like i've always had a "natural" tolerance to drugs before i tried them (with the exception of weed)

 

[StaffWriter]

We need to kill one of these threads.

 

[sp0r]

Swim was with a stripper who had the old duragesic fentanyl patches (the 75's). Swim fucked the stripper then she decided it was time to do some patches. SWIM did not know his girl was opiate naiive. Swim was not opiate naiive. Swim sucked the gel out of 2 patches and became pretty high considering swim's habbit was about 10 stamps a day. Swim's girl however, fell out, dropped to the floor, dead weight. Swim thought she was dead. Swim's girl only took half of one 75 patch. So Swim dragged her down her car in a panic (wow bodies get heavier when they are kind of dead), took her crack, and drove her to the local supermarket. Swim got out of the car and ran home with the fear of god in his heart. Swim's girl called at 6 in the morning and swim had a huge sigh of relief. Smoking the girls crack all night being paranoid about committing manslaughter (even though swim warned her not to take it cause its strong). Wow was great to hear her voice. Needless to say, that was swim's last night fucking her .. Moral of the story , fentanyl is one of the most dangerous drugs on the planet. Up here where swim lives (pittsburgh) we get bags called stamp bags, they are like waxy bags that u save collectors stamps in. The are usually folded 3 times to be about the size of a postage stamp and have a brand name stamped on them like E pills do. Well there were not too long ago a few brands that came out called: "Get high or Die Trying," "Dynasty", and "MegaDeath". There were several more names I cant remember at the moment. recognize stamp bags are sold as heroin, but these ones were pure fentanyl. In the one weekend they came out on the streets, over 22 people od'd, there was cars crashed into telephone poles, multiple deaths, the city looked like a war scene. Swim only had taken 1 bag, luckily swim had a tolerance, but was in the car with his girl for over a day with his girlfriend nodding (basically swim's forhead was on the steering wheel, and swims girls head was laying on the window). Swim1 and Swim 2 both woke at the same time basically and was like what the fuck happened. Swims saw the empty bags on the floor along with the 8 tightly rubberbanded remaining liittle baggies of death. It is confirmed that the bags held fentanyl not heroin. And in my life time I couldnt get high off just one bag if it meant my life, surely 2 bags would have killed swim. To some it all up, yes it is dangerous. Ive seen more people die off fentanyl than any other drug. Let me get you some links of the bags:
http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20060606kdka_heroin_230.jpg
That picture made me just almost relapse. There is something about the psychology of what the bags look, smell, and sound like that makes them more addictive than pure heroin. I think this was an attemp from the government to cut down on junkies in the area, because this specific area of pittsburgh was bad with heroin. Let me give you the report: (this is a good one) http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_456723.html
Quote:
In Detroit, Philadelphia, Harrisburg, Chicago, St. Louis and elsewhere, users have died from a mixture of heroin and fentanyl, a narcotic considered 80 times more potent than morphine. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that more than 200 heroin users have died due to fentanyl in the past several months.

Read the link then ask again is fentanyl dangerous. Thanks for your time Ill do my best to answer any questions you may have because swim has almost every benzo and has done pretty much every drug besides a good bit of the phenethylamines and tryptamines. However I have done a few. Phens: MDMA, MDA, MDEA, etc Trypts: 5meoamt, amt, dmt, 5meodmt other: salvia divornium. Ask swim anytime he has good advice on any subject and is not cocky and will have a friendly conversation. Just IM.
sp0r

Edit: No need to post your email address and screen name. Use your profile for that if you want. -phrozen

 

[johanneschimpo]

^ What I got from that story is that "SWIM" is very stupid and immature criminal. You are a disgusting person. Oops, I mean "SWIM." "SWIM" is a disgusting person.

Also, please don't use BL to for whatever scheme you're trying to pull. The higher-ups like this board to be for discussion, not advertisement or whatever you're trying to pull. Thanks.