I might be wrong, but I don't believe Tramadol is technically an opiate, so I can see how that might work while on Suboxone. But kratom does tickle the receptors, I"m just not sure if they are the same opiod receptors that the suboxone is occupying?? Do you have any firsthand knowledge of people on subs taking kratom??
I get the crushed leaf, I pulled a reciped from the internet and it was for the leaf so that's what I've always done. I hear the otehr stuff is more speedy in comparison and I dont really like speedy, I like euphoria! You say indonesian is more euphoric than Thai?? Do you mind me asking where you get yours? I get mine from arena ethnobotanicals, good price, quality and fast delivery.
For the guy who tried it and didn't get anything from it, it might be an issue of how you consumed it. I was skeptical of the strength of kratom, but after taking it, I was pleasantly surprised. Much more of a 'drug' than I thought it'd be.