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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

oxymorphone vs hydromorphone vs oxycodone

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^^hes asking for the best out of the 3 for oral admin.

1.oxycodone
2.oxymorphone
3.hydromorphone

just due to the bioavailability of oxy it's def. the winner. hydromorphone and oxymorphone should never be eaten first cause they suck when eaten and second cause you are wasting a wonderfully I.V'able drug. oh and oxy should never be I.V.'d (only eaten and snorted) due to the fact that you can obtain just as good if not a better high from eating/snorting. just my $0.02.

QFT. my preference as well. have tried all 3 orally only
 
Oxycodone breaks down to oxymorphone; codeine and all other extracts that come directly from opium poppy break down to morphine in the liver/body. The body has it's own process of making things better. All synthetics have their own conversions that I am not familiar with but I am going to check it out tonight.

Wow. Thanks for "correcting" me. How very helpful. I don't know if you're posting to add to the general knowledge or if you think you're clearing up some sort of mystery, but either way, you failed. Not to mention I had already said what you were trying to say.

Such as: "anything that starts with hydro or oxy and/or ends with -one, metabolizes into something similar, but different to morphine." Its the same thing you said, only broader and more eloquent.

Everything that comes from the poppy does not break down into morphine. Codeine does... and thats it. A lot of opium alkaloids look nothing like morphine at all. Yeah, all opiates, synthetic or not, break down into different things. Something that is codeine-like will be demethylated at the 3-position, N-demethylated, then finally conjugated with glucuronic acid. Some other things can happen, but those are the main three when it comes to morphine- and codeine-like opioids.

You could check it out tonight, read what all the all the synthetics are metabolized into, but rather than read a list, its just better to know the science behind it and you could guess what each metabolite is. For example, you knew that oxycodone was metabolized to oxymorphone. Then you asked what hydrocodone was metabolized to. Follow the logic: codeine ---> morphine. So it would be metabolized to hydromorphone. Either way, in both of those circumstances, the amount that is metabolized to the related morphone compound is very small and barely worth considering. In research, perhaps, but for recreational use, no.

And please don't try to correct people who are already correct then give incorrect information. I recommend you read a book or fifty before trying to give advice like this. I didn't read the rest of your post, but I could fix those errors too if you wish.
 
Orally, oxycodone is easily the best. So much, in fact, that it's stupid to do it any other way.

Even still, I would rather snort hydromorphone any day of the week
 
I have been presribed all these. I had opana Er 20mg. As far as pain relief and not abuse wise I feel hydromorphone 8mg to work better than a 30mg roxy. But they do not last as long. I personally hated opana, raised my tollerance like a mofo. With the scarcity of roxys and the huge inflated price I switched to dills over roxys
 
^ Why do you feel the opana raised your tolerance more then the others? By how much?
 
Wow. Thanks for "correcting" me. How very helpful. I don't know if you're posting to add to the general knowledge or if you think you're clearing up some sort of mystery, but either way, you failed. Not to mention I had already said what you were trying to say.

Such as: "anything that starts with hydro or oxy and/or ends with -one, metabolizes into something similar, but different to morphine." Its the same thing you said, only broader and more eloquent.

Everything that comes from the poppy does not break down into morphine. Codeine does... and thats it. A lot of opium alkaloids look nothing like morphine at all. Yeah, all opiates, synthetic or not, break down into different things. Something that is codeine-like will be demethylated at the 3-position, N-demethylated, then finally conjugated with glucuronic acid. Some other things can happen, but those are the main three when it comes to morphine- and codeine-like opioids.

You could check it out tonight, read what all the all the synthetics are metabolized into, but rather than read a list, its just better to know the science behind it and you could guess what each metabolite is. For example, you knew that oxycodone was metabolized to oxymorphone. Then you asked what hydrocodone was metabolized to. Follow the logic: codeine ---> morphine. So it would be metabolized to hydromorphone. Either way, in both of those circumstances, the amount that is metabolized to the related morphone compound is very small and barely worth considering. In research, perhaps, but for recreational use, no.

And please don't try to correct people who are already correct then give incorrect information. I recommend you read a book or fifty before trying to give advice like this. I didn't read the rest of your post, but I could fix those errors too if you wish.


Alright someone seems a little whiney, like a little girl. I think you are overreacting to this, and trust me I know alot about different narcotics, I am in chronic pain all the time so I have tried many different pain meds. You obviously take great pride in knowing all of the different chemical structures of narcotics, hey I bet you spend alot of time reading just so you can prove people wrong; and then say "I told you so!" Pathetic, you really should find another hobby, like riding a bike to get this off of your mind, at least sometimes. I f you and all the other members consider all of the time you spend trying to be right and criticize others on this site; do you think we look up to you, good source of information? YES, I would say so! But just to let you know "WE ALL THINK YOU ARE A LOOSER" That has nothing better to do with his time. "GET A LIFE"
 
^ Why do you feel the opana raised your tolerance more then the others? By how much?

Yeah, I wonder this too. I have been on both Oxycontin and OpanaER, as well as Roxis and OpanaIR and I do not feel like one raised my tolerance more than the other. They were both great for pain relief, and when I switched over to equal analgesic doses of eithier, I barely felt a difference, Oxycontin does just fine for my pain, but OpanaER works better;)

P.S.
But just to let you know "WE ALL THINK YOU ARE A LOOSER"

Actually we all think JC is awesome, so please keep your rants to a minimum, nobody wants to hear them:|
.....Keep it up your liable to be banned.



-TheMatador
 
depending on ROA they each have their own advantages. Oxymorphone obviously is best IV'd but I cant find the IR's so insuffalated after eating a fatty meal gives you a great deal of euphoria, definatly the most out of any insuffalated opiate IMHO. Hydromorphone is one of the best IV opiates I have done and oxycodone is generally a really solid opiate for all ROA except IV'd, I find that IV'd gives you a really slow onsetting rush but then nothing but all other ROA's are very nice, and its convenient to just chew a pill and get just as much out of it
 
Alright someone seems a little whiney, like a little girl. I think you are overreacting to this, and trust me I know alot about different narcotics, I am in chronic pain all the time so I have tried many different pain meds. You obviously take great pride in knowing all of the different chemical structures of narcotics, hey I bet you spend alot of time reading just so you can prove people wrong; and then say "I told you so!" Pathetic, you really should find another hobby, like riding a bike to get this off of your mind, at least sometimes. I f you and all the other members consider all of the time you spend trying to be right and criticize others on this site; do you think we look up to you, good source of information? YES, I would say so! But just to let you know "WE ALL THINK YOU ARE A LOOSER" That has nothing better to do with his time. "GET A LIFE"
Science isn't an opinion, genius. What you said was wrong and I corrected it. Thats the beauty of facts. I don't care how much pain you're in, it doesn't make you a specialist. If it worked like that, I'd be a gynecologist. But I'm not. I'm a chemistry student, which is why I know what I know. I study it in school.
Its not about pride, criticism, or "I told you so" - its about providing correct information. You didn't, and I picked up your slack. If anything, you should be thanking me, not bitching at me. This is a harm reduction board, reliant upon factual information. Check yourself before you post any more stupid shit.
 
Old topics

^ Probably to look smart. That didn't work out too well though.

And he quadruple posted as well! Time to wield some power around here and use that merge button...

ETA: Ouch, that sure put a dint in his post count.

Um lets see, because I am new to this site, like a couple of days. Dont be such an ..... Welcoming the new guy should be important to you. I am not here to act like I am a Chemist, I am just here to learn about medicine in general. I can already see some of the members of this site are complete loosers.
 
Relax

Relax
Science isn't an opinion, genius. What you said was wrong and I corrected it. Thats the beauty of facts. I don't care how much pain you're in, it doesn't make you a specialist. If it worked like that, I'd be a gynecologist. But I'm not. I'm a chemistry student, which is why I know what I know. I study it in school.
Its not about pride, criticism, or "I told you so" - its about providing correct information. You didn't, and I picked up your slack. If anything, you should be thanking me, not bitching at me. This is a harm reduction board, reliant upon factual information. Check yourself before you post any more stupid shit.

This is a site on the net, and if anyone would even consider relying on the information they get from here they are making a mistake. I understand you take this seriously, but in all reality you need to just calm down. Anything I can learn from your knowledge is great for me. I love knowing in depth about medicine, especially the meds I am currently on or may possibly be on in the future. Sorry for being an ass hole and getting out of line with you. One thing to consider is being so quick to over react in your reply to me. This shows your character, and for me is an indicator of how you carry yourself outside of this site. I will approach you with respect in return for the same. If something I posted was incorrect then I am always open to be corrected about it. I am always in search of accurate information and the detailed specifics. Please correct me and continue to provide your reliable resources. Please try not to have an attitude when you respond though, it is really something that is out of date. Thank you and keep up the good work.
 
Welcoming the new guy is what its about. Its also about the new guy not (hypothetically) acting like an arrogant douche in his first post.






edit: you're OK






edit 2: You almost had me. I'm Japanese so I read from bottom to top. Because of that, I disagreed with this, the last sentence:
Sick Boy said:
This is a site on the net, and if anyone would even consider relying on the information they get from here they are making a mistake.
If you know of a better source of information, please share. This website is read by a lot of people (some incredibly naive) so its good to make sure that correct/safe information is out there for those who need it. Thats all.
 
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Science isn't an opinion, genius. What you said was wrong and I corrected it. Thats the beauty of facts. I don't care how much pain you're in, it doesn't make you a specialist. If it worked like that, I'd be a gynecologist. But I'm not. I'm a chemistry student, which is why I know what I know. I study it in school.
Its not about pride, criticism, or "I told you so" - its about providing correct information. You didn't, and I picked up your slack. If anything, you should be thanking me, not bitching at me. This is a harm reduction board, reliant upon factual information. Check yourself before you post any more stupid shit.

I want to let this go and I think the best decision for me would be trying to learn something from you, I never said science was an opinion, however all science is not solid facts. Proven science is solid, there is still science with opinion. Many scientist will live and die by there studies. And in the end their theory is proven wrong "by science." Your words are very convincing and if I had no self esteem I would let you walk all over me like many of the people in your life. I guess it makes you feel like a big man because you can walk all over those around you in your life. Karma is a very powerful force! Be kind to those around you that you come in contact with everyday, this may make you feel as good as when you walk on them and treat them like door mats. TTYL...
 
If you believe that karma is a very powerful force, then this should suit your karmatic ideals:
Beyond harm reduction, Bluelight also seeks to educate the public about drugs by summarizing whatever information is known about a subject. Bluelight aims to deliver accurate information in an easy to understand manner that emphasizes safety. We also try to eliminate misinformation whether it exaggerates or understates the danger.
Positive contribution of accurate and safe information. Thats all I care about. I don't care if you like me.


The quote was taken from here, by the way: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/faq.php?faq=about#faq_what_is_bluelight




And here's the forum guidelines. They are good to know: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=429244
 
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ok, lets all be nice druggies and have fun providing accurate, helpful, and harm-reduction information now =) lol...just messing with you guys

sickboy, welcome
JC- I always love your posts lol
 
EX Oxycodone user I noe Love OPANA!

I have read many of your posts and it seems opana (oxymorphone ) isnt geting much love. It is true that just like dilaudid if all you do it eat it you will not get the same rush as Oxy codone. BUT!!! just like hydromorphone when taken by IV the high is wonderful! When shooting opana it grabs you a little just like Dilaudid with the exception that its not quite as intense. I do expperience a peaceful euphoric serenity with opana that I have never had with dilaudid. BUT!!! I also know that most people get the extended release opana; I get the 5mg IR's and I crush the pill and put the whole thing in the rig so I waste nothing!

Most people dont know you can shoot the whole pill and use a cotton to draw it up. Using a cotton you would need to use the wash atleast 3x's to get all to oxymorphone.

If your the type of person you loves dilaudid but misses the euphoria of oxycontin than Opana is for you!. But do it right! shoot the whole pill! None of this cottoncrap and I promise you will not be disappointed:)

Love,
OxyMorpheus
 
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