Methylphenidate extraction, multi-brand & generic

[midastouch]

I was wondering if ACETONE, REAGENT would work

 

[JLJ4E]

Would methylated spirits work as effectively as a solvent as isopropyl alcohol? I know Twizzle said before that his denatured alcohol had other chemicals added to the ethanol to denature it, but I thought methylated spirits was meant to be a solution of 95% ethanol denatured with 5% methanol? I looked through many MSDS' for methylated spirits but none had the full composition of the solution...

If it was 95% EtOH/5% MeOH, methylated spirits would work just as well because methylphenidate is very soluble in alcohol, and the inactive ingredients were all relatively insoluble in alcohol. So I guess there are two questions: Is methylated spirits just ethanol and methanol? And if it is, would it be just as effective as isopropyl alcohol. Sorry if I have repeated anyone's questions, I read through the whole thread a few times and couldn't find the answers I was looking for.

 

[spornoy]

In the next few days i'm going to try to do this extraction.

I have both, water and isopropyl alcohol 99% and the tablets that I have are Ritalin (the brand) of 10mg each pill. I am going to crush 16 pills (so 160mg of metylphe).

Which of the two solvents do you recomend of that brand? Isopropyl or water?.

And another two questions:
1) for that amount of pills, how many isopropyl/water do i use?
2) What is the temperature that the water/isopropyl should be?

I hope someone answers me.

Thaks in advance.

PD: English is not my mother tongue so I hope I was clear enough.

 

[spornoy]

Please people. I am going to do that extraction on Wednesday and I need an answer.

Should I use isoproply alcohol or destilled water? At which temperature?.

I hope an answer.

 

[JustaJunkie]

Is it possible to just crush up the pills remove some of the coating after crushing and throw it in your spoon use some heat, filter pull the liquid and shoot? There may be bits of coating floating around but i don't think it would dissolve in the water would it? I mean Ambien has that same type of coating and I remove all the coating i can before putting it in the spoon and just use cold water. Some bits of coating still float but I'm still able to get the water soluble Ambien through a cotton filter. @spornoy, you have ritalin 10mg IR or ER tabs? IR Tabs are much easier to do. I used to have IR tabs and easier than heroin to mix, cook, shoot.

This is my first post, but I've been shooting shit for years and experimenting even with shooting fentanyl patches. I figured out on my own how to get the liquid out of the fent patches and shoot it.

 

[edarrin]

^ It's not that you don't get the active drug using the cotton filter method....you do...it's all the other stuff that gets through as well that is dangerous as it has to end up somewhere. Therefore it can end up clogging some capillaries or lodgeing in an organ and compromising it's function.

Try looking through that blue liquid. You can usually see the talc (and whatever else) as it's not clear. Double filter with the smaller tighter cottons (if you can get them at a Harm Reduction/needle exchange...or sterifilts even better) at the very least.

Never heat either.....just let soak fr a couple of minutes in water, stir, let soak so large particulates will precipitate out. Filter, place on sterile spoon/apparatus and refilter with smaller dental filters. That seems to get the clearest with cottons. Still risky business and reserved.

I'm thinking of getting one of those Buchner funnel/filter kits to extract it.

One question. What would one use as a vaccuum? Are there 'manual' or household items (at least ones not terribly expensive) that one can use?

I assume sucking on the tube would probably not be a good thing with either chloroform or IPA

 

[mmj]

first try

ok i tried CWE with hydrocodone didnt work great, high a hell for an hour then puked my guts out. i drank the liquid at the bottom i went by a youtube video of a cwe. my first mistake.

well i'm out of hydros and just got a ritalin script its methylphenidate HCI (i'm guessing hci means the fillers and binders) i dont knwo anyting about chemistry i never took chem class or even seen a beaker.

i've a pretty high tolerance as i used to snort regularly 5 + of the 20mg generics . I do read the brand name is the best but i cannot get them yet.

i've read about 20 pages worth of suggestions, aruging that water extraction is fine and that IPA above 90% or whatever is good but i dont have the IPA thats not 70% (70% is the most i can find). but i read this would not work.

is there a way to get a clean product and still use the 70% IPA? i dont care if i lose a little i can spare a few of my pez.

some say use water, or a microwave or a stovetop(non open flame, mine is electric) and i cant get the exact temp of the area i place the product on because the temperature is controlled by the usual dials from 1-10 i wouldnt know where to set the dial to make it hot enough but not too hot. i'm guessing my only solution is using some sort of water, i dont have any chemicals or exotic stuff that was mentioned here. i cant exactly go to a farm supply store and ask for chloroform because we dont have those. i just want the easiest way to get the best product without having ot know a bunch about chemical reactions or blowing myself up.

plz advice. from what i read without the IPA i'll have to wait a while and do the water extraction and probably keep some fillers but as long as its better than just railing or popping them i should be fine . 100% purity is nice but if i cant get it with water and a few days of work then i'll settle for the next best, i'm hoping it can all be done in a few hours. for something, anything, better than just the usual nasal or oral route.

thanks guys!

 

[D n A]

Alright, first off I probably shouldn't have even attempted this in the first place, seeing as I didn't have the appropriate ingredients nor the full instructions.
I read this thread and the method to extract the methylphenidate a day beforehand and decided I'd try a half-ass attempt with 50% ethyl alcohol, just to see what would happen.

I put about ten 10mg generic-brand Ritalin pills inside a cup, poured a small amount of the alcohol inside, swirled them around until they dissolved and then poured the solution into a cup with a coffee filter on it. From this I got two things: a blue-ish liquid, and some pasty white shit that I scraped off the filter and set aside to dry (just because).

The liquid was blue because these specific pills have a teensy bit of dye in them. It's not noticeable in the photo at the bottom of this post, but whatever.

From there, I poured the liquid onto a plate and let it dry out. This took a few hours. Once the liquid had evaporated, I was left with some blue and clear crystals which I then scraped and collected into a small baggie. As for the pasty shit, which was probably just filler and whatnot, I also scraped that up and put it into a bag. Obviously I'm going to throw it out, but whatever. I thought a picture might be interesting to have.

So my question is, was using ethyl alcohol as a replacement for isopropyl a good idea? Is there a chance that it worked, and is this shit snortable? I'm guessing that the dye just didn't filter out along with the fillers. Any other thoughts, ideas, questions, explanations etc are appreciated.

I'll be doing a proper extraction using Concerta 27 + 36mgs later on this week and we'll see how it turns out. For now, here's a pic of my retarded yields.

 

[DeLee]

Ive never worked with those pills or ethyl alcohol.

I only have experience with Concerta and isopropylacohol but the extraction is the same.. almost.
Concerta (cut away the shit you do not want, get the shit you DO want to as a fine powder as you can. This is very tideous work because it got wax or shit like that in it so you gotta keep hacking at it with knives. Aleast that is what I did. Maybe you don't need to get it to that fine of a powder.

Dissolve in isopropylalcohol, stir that for a good while then filter the dissolved from the undissolved - like with coffefilters. Yes you are gonna loose some product this way.
There are other ways to filter it, with a syringe and something that acts like a filter.
(Keep in mind to hurry though because isopropylalcohol will F your syringe up and make it jam pretty quick)

Lay out to evaporate and scrape the crystals.

So this is kind of what you did so the end product you got should be Methylphenidate - good to be snorted or shot IV.

 

[D n A]

Yeah, first time I cut one of those suckers up just to see how the pill was built. What a nightmare.

I've read the entire thread, instructions, tips and all, and will be attempting a proper extraction soon. I kinda want to give these blue crystals a sniff.. but I know my snot will turn blue and I probably won't get much out of it anyway. Not worth it imo.

 

[phoebewilso]

Ive never worked with those pills or ethyl alcohol.

I only have experience with Concerta and isopropylacohol but the extraction is the same.. almost.
Concerta (cut away the shit you do not want, get the shit you DO want to as a fine powder as you can. This is very tideous work because it got wax or shit like that in it so you gotta keep hacking at it with knives. Aleast that is what I did. Maybe you don't need to get it to that fine of a powder.

Dissolve in isopropylalcohol, stir that for a good while then filter the dissolved from the undissolved - like with coffefilters. Yes you are gonna loose some product this way.
There are other ways to filter it, with a syringe and something that acts like a filter.
(Keep in mind to hurry though because isopropylalcohol will F your syringe up and make it jam pretty quick)

Lay out to evaporate and scrape the crystals.

So this is kind of what you did so the end product you got should be Methylphenidate - good to be snorted or shot IV.

hi there i am urgently needing your advice i have been reading all your comments on the thread and i am very confused as to with methyl you heat it or not once you have filtered it? do evap the isoprop correct? or you just let it dry out!! everyone says different things and i would like to hear from someone personally and who has experianced it on their own. i have heated it from today and al times before that but maybe this is why it isnt as GRAND as everyone is sayingi t can be? I HOPE yu ccan get back asap. i didnt even look how old this thread was!! if anyone knows please!!

 

[Luni-bin]

honestly, id prefer just popping em ritalins, theres too much complications unless you is a scientist. otherwise if you dont have to dont do it man. but ive come to terms with the fact that i have a needle fixation. So i still IV pills occassionally when im coming off something/withdrawals.

 

[lenses]

If you have a decent amount of pills to play around with (ie a script), it is probably worth it to extract it and get pure MPH because its such a simple process and the pills become a mess to deal with especially if IVing.There is a lot of filler in the pills and if you are trying to abuse them by snorting or IV the binders really get in the way due to the ratio of active chemical to binders.

Ideally you want pure virgin solvents (99%) , i think ethanol and IPA are ideal due to ease of acquiring them. 91% IPA can be purified to 99% by distillation with a stovetop espresso machine (slightly dangerous not recommended) or pulling out the water with a desiccant (epsom salts are ideal and instructions can be found elsewhere). CVS has all of these available in the same aisle I believe .

Crush pills , add COLD solvent , filter (coffee filters work, but there are better methods, a funnel with cotton shoved in it would probally work, wash the filter with alcohol to get everything that absorbed), and evap. Evaluate how clean the extraction went, and if needed, wash once more to get pure MPH. This is where another solvent could come in , to get rid of anything the alcohol carried with it.

Whats the consensus on the best solvent for MPH?

I have always wondered if the alcohol reacts with the MPH in vitro to form ethylphenidate ?! I don't know much about ethylphenidate other than its produced by the body when alcohol and methylphenidate is consumed together, but can the reaction occur outside the body when extracting? When evaping the solvent I always wondered if the heat caused some sort of conversion and I could be producing ethylphenidate by accident...

-lenses

 

[KINGCRIMSON]

The sandoz generic 20 mg sr and the ciba/16 brand name 20 mg sr are almost identical in ingredients. They are even more close now because ciba/16 made their pills as cheap as sandoz by making them very similar. Then sandoz lowered its price too. So really they are almost identical as a matter of fact I'm positive they changed the ciba/16 formulation so much that the sandoz actually has less cellulose / castor oil compounds. I know for a fact the ciba/16 were far superior for IV injection. Less than a month ago they became full of goo and slime much much more than before. And the sandoz became less problematic. I just suck off the black ink crush em and use 1cc of hot water melt it down throw in a filter and shoot it hot. That way it stays liquefied from the heat and there is no prob getting it in.

 

[SpaceDrifter]

Don't know if this would be the appropriate thread to go to or not, but I must ask

Is there anything safe to cut the pure mph with for insufflation? Let's say I want 1 gm portions at 60-80 mg potency (anything beyond that becomes too much, eliminating why I use it to begin with.) When I say safe I mean something that won't clog the ole Tooter, and hopefully doesn't defeat the purpose of removing binders and fillers to begin with.

For my personal safety it cannot be anything that can be processed as fast carbs (No sugars. I don't really know if those can be used. Work with me here, I got ideas he he!)

Any feedback appreciated, if this is not the appropriate thread I apologize. PM's accepted as well.

 

[3methylmorphine]

Methylphenidate HCL (as Concerta XL 54mg) Extraction

Good Afternoon Bluelight Community!

This is my first post, so I must firstly take the time to say it is a pleasure to be a part of this community.

After spending some time searching both this site and others, I haven't been able to find a very conclusive answer, so I was hoping this is something which either has already been answeree, else maybe someone could provide the answer.

I have a perscription for Concerta XL 54mg 1 Q.D. and a relatively exuberant drug habit, as well as a relatively good scientific aptitude. As anyone who understands the principles and basics behind OROS Medication will understand, I have about 90 pills which are all (for some unknown reason) missing the red coating, and as such are unfortunatly missing the instant release layer which hides behind the titanium dioxide casing. Of course, what a waste would it be to allow the remaining 3.78g of Methylphenidate HCL to just, go to waste. My thoughts are maybe there is a way which through some kitchen chemistry this remaining drug could be extracted and then even purified?

Much Love!

3-Meth-Mo.

 

[kleinerkiffer]

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[3methylmorphine]

All complete. Apologies

 

[OntarioGuy]

Here's how I do it:

- peel concerta pills, break in have saving the drug part discard the other part

- grind pills in a coffee grinder until broken down good

-Put pills in a glass with 99% isopropyl alcohol, enough so it's not a sludge but not to much either....make sure u use the 99% stuff, the pills will gel up in 70% ISO.

-stir it up and let it sit for a bit. Then filter through coffee filters into another container to collect mph solution while filtering the inactives.

- once it is all filtered pour the solution on a Pyrex baking dish and let evaporate...putting it somewhere warm (not hot) will help speed it up

- once all the liquid has been evaporated scrape up left behind mph crystals slightly more suitable for IV and nasal use then just concerta pills

And in the interest of harm reduction please try to be as clean as possible while doing this.the alcohol should keep the glasses you use to mix and filter somewhat clean.

I would recommend this to people who have no micron wheel filter but are set on injecting mph. It's very easy to do and id say cleaner then mixing er Ritalin in a spoon straight up.

 

[3methylmorphine]

Reply.

Here's how I do it:

Thank you very much OntarioGuy. Could you refine how long you would advise to let the solute disolve, i.e. 30min, 6h, 12h etc.

I've often contemplated extracting some old co-codamol (30/500's) into Codeine Ph. by using this method as with iso as opposed to H2O however was unsure whether the yeild would be worth the hassle as I have a regular and large supply of Codeine Ph by its self.

Probably have ~300 or so Co-Co.'s so I guess thats still 9g of Co.Ph. which is waiting, and thats not a negligable amount by any means.

Regards

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