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Neo-doves Part II

Let's hope Doron knows 10,000 times more about this shit than anyone else, so he doesn't poison us to keep his formulas secret.

He certainly has balls, but whether he gives two shits about the consequences of using his products is yet to be established.

Why don't you get him to post here?
 
whats the use, so he can say its amino acids.

and to not abuse them or other drugs or smoking or alcohol and they will work better and not effect you
 
Still would like to hear what everyone thinks is in these if they have any guess's.
I can't think of it compares to any RC i have had before.
These are going to be banned in the place where they come from in 2-4 months and the rest of the world will follow. It has taken some 4 years to get to this stage of it getting banned. Doron been selling his products for 10 years without any trouble.

drplatypus sorry if i brushed u up the wrong way but no need to assault me. I just hate the catch 22 that by knowing whats in it helps get it banned; was my thoughts but it will happen anyway after finding out that israel is on to whats in them and is banning them, it doesn't matter.
I was also pretty frustrated that if its all in the name of harm reduction and if these are seriously harmful (eg. toxic effects more so than MDMA or meth..:the illegal alternatives) than we should know the dangers.

Also can we see some of the results of the survey?

Splatt said:
The textures and smells have changed a lot.
definitely agree. still what is with that strong smell i wonderin if it is the chemical involved or an impurity from the way it synth.
 
tadfish said:
I just hate the catch 22 that by knowing whats in it helps get it banned; was my thoughts but it will happen anyway after finding out that israel is on to whats in them and is banning them, it doesn't matter.

How do you know that Israel authority's are on to it?
Did you read this on another forum?, if so which forum?

interested.
 
Used neos on and off for much of this year, before devloping a pronounced aversion to them: threw up after 2 SPirits on a lot of red wine, and got the taste caught in my throat for hours. I used once more after that - 5 mixed spirits/doves - and went on a twelve-hour compulsive soft porn marathon that wasn't characteristic at all (generally don't like porn.) I'd binged on up to 11 per session, and initially thought they were some kind of bk-mbdb or related chem.

Over time, in part from talking to Israelis, I realised they were cathinone-derived, or some kind of precursor chem too obscure to be illegal. I've seen friends get into real trouble with them, chomping 20 or more in a week of habitual use: which, given the ridiculousy addictive profile of methcathinone (cat), leaves me strognly suspecting they're a second-order meth- or eth-cathinone derivative or precursor of some kind.

Some blends - SCs = are just stimulating, and so not to my current taste (too much speed in college: heebiejeebies on anything too upbeat now, more of an MDXX fan), but those is particular seem to be at least as addictive as coke, arguably more some.

Conclusion: a loophole-legal khat-derived cat analogue, that's much more dangerous than pure MDXX, and as habit-forming as meth. A lot of people have been burned by them, and some are having trouble quitting. After my early enthusiasm I'd say stay the hell away. There's equally potent - and much safer - legal (in most of Europe, anyway), pills on the market, if you know where to look.
 
Don't want to spoil P_d's thunder, but well done, WW- you're the closest to date. PM me if you'd like to chat some more- would love to hear about Israeli perspective... Spoke with P_d earlier today- perfectionist that he is, a typically methodical summary is furiously being prepared for BL readers- before any further publication- and will be available in the next 12-24 hours. Looking forward to it myself- no doubt that what little is known about the compounds will be available in his review. BL'ers might be surprised at how many mainstream researchers use BL because of people like P_d....
 
drplatypus i have tried to PM u but ya inbox full.
got some interesting questions and info for ya.
Sorry for my off chops rants
12-24 hours can't wait.
Many people from UWA use BL for research
 
drplatypus said:
Don't want to spoil P_d's thunder, but well done, WW- you're the closest to date. PM me if you'd like to chat some more- would love to hear about Israeli perspective... Spoke with P_d earlier today- perfectionist that he is, a typically methodical summary is furiously being prepared for BL readers- before any further publication- and will be available in the next 12-24 hours. Looking forward to it myself- no doubt that what little is known about the compounds will be available in his review. BL'ers might be surprised at how many mainstream researchers use BL because of people like P_d....

Just wrote you a PM, but your box is (understandably) full at the moment. Short version: anyone who's had 'Hagigat', the cathinone-derived X alternative which was banned in Israel back in '04, recognises the neo effect right away: they're clearly in the same ballpark, though there may well be other ingredients in the Doves, and I'm not sure spirits are khat-derived (if so, they're doing something pretty interesting to the organic material.)

People in Israel seem better able to moderate their consumption, unless that;'s just my cousins and their friends, but a couple of caps with a few ice cold beers in the course of a LONG night and day's partying was the norm over there: in the UK, people seem to be binging at quite frightening levels. I don't, in general, support prohibition, but with the way these things play out, they're clearly going to be banned soon.
 
The other thing - in Israel, people were pretty emphatic about NOT mixing Hagigat et cetera with other stimulants or psychedelics - I had one not great experience of X on neos (speedy pill, though), and have been told reliably that mixing sub-cocas and coke puts outrageous strain on the heart.

Once, after an all day session (2 spirits, 2 ND's, a compressor, one hit of X), I took a large - excessive - dose of kratom on the comedown, and could tell I within spitting distance of needing medical attention: had to struggle to stay awake, because I could tell I was as close as I'd ever come to an opiate overdose, and really had to make a point of not drifting off. Symptoms closely resembled descriptions of overdoing the speedball dosage. I'd say really, really DON'T MIX these with illegal shit, large amounts of booze, or anything beyond a little weed and beer: even downers on the comedown seem to be a little unpredictable.
 
Hmmm have mixed with E, Meth alcohol and benzos
Worse effects seem to be off mixing with alcohol.
 
Where Wolf? said:
DON'T MIX these with illegal shit, large amounts of booze, or anything beyond a little weed and beer: even downers on the comedown seem to be a little unpredictable.

Funnily enough, I had a negative reation from diazepam after 1 dove & 1 SC one night. I took the Valium to try and go to sleep, instead I had a surge of nervous energy, like a mild panic attack.

Never happened with diazepam before. Only lasted about 10 mins, but it wasn't a good thing..
 
^That's really interesting, 3 to the 3... i had one spirit orally on a saturday afternoon (and 2 small lines of spirit powder) and slept quite well (but i was drinking steadily as well). I was ok the next day (felt a bit of cotton wool in my head), but on the Sunday night, had 2 x doziles (doxylamine succinate - OTC sleeping tablet), and had quite a nasty, what i thought, panic attack. It was within 1/2 an hour of taking the doziles. I was wide awake, i started visibly shaking, and it felt very panic-attack-like. I couldn't articulate what was causing it, to my husband, i felt almost frozen. It wasn't pleasant at all, mine lasted much longer.
 
i'd blame Dozile over the spirit. Anything, even caffeine, can affect dozile. If it doesnt knock you out you're pretty much going to have sleep paralysis and weird ass panicky things happen to you.. I hate the drug personally
 
I have had many benzos and also anti histamines without any troubles.
Had troubles getting off on DMT last night while on some ND and spirits.
after a bit i did get effects but not the usual flashing vivid morphing DMT type hallucinations. could have been the DMT as it was old.
Dozile is really bad for the brain don't think they even recommend it to people over 60
 
I've had doziles in the past, and they've never affected me like that. I just found it odd that after having this particular substance (spirit) that i was affected this way. :\

I also suffer from sleep paralysis periodically, but have never experienced it after using doxylamine succinate.
 
samadhi said:
I've had doziles in the past, and they've never affected me like that. I just found it odd that after having this particular substance (spirit) that i was affected this way. :\

I also suffer from sleep paralysis periodically, but have never experienced it after using doxylamine succinate.


I get sleep paralysis as well and have never had it from doxylamine succinate, but I do get pretty violent dreams lol

I have however had a panic attack and an almost stimulant effect from taking two doziles, it was quite odd, kept me awake, just drained and dopey
 
Hmmm, maybe it was just a 'coinkydink' then? ;)

Seriously, though, i've never experienced that with doziles before - only once have i had too many (around 4 over a period of about 4 hours) and i got very real auditory hallucinations and was wide awake - but no panic attack. It was disconcerting, to say the least, considering i'd suffered from panic attacks in my early 20s. I then thought that the mix of the spirit and DS was the culprit - possibly because noone really knows, yet, what they are, ergo, what they're contraindicated with.
 
samadhi have you had any panic attacks since using them when not on or coming down from the pills? Or noticed an increased anxiety level? Or anyone for that matter?

Personally, having one a panic attack while coming down isn't too big a price to pay, but if it leads to more panic attacks in the future I'm less keen.
 
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