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Neo-doves Part II

decontructionist said:
With regard to the symptoms of the substances

I cringed as I thought about this - symptoms. Spatt you describe it so much better:
Spatt said:
The depth perception is amazing. Everything is so 2D but you can pinpoint exactly wherte something is, how far away something is.. muich better than our 3D.

Perhaps that could become an item in an instrument developed through actually talking to people who use substances.

I hate the way in which medicine can suck all of the fun out of drugs. It might just be semantics, but I think it makes a big difference. Think about 'global warming', which we now politely refer to as 'climate change' - it makes a difference. My favourite example of this:

How might an everlasting-happiness drug - a drug which (implausibly!) left someone who tried it once living happily-ever-after - find itself described in the literature?

"Substance x induces severe, irreversible structural damage to neurotransmitter subsystem y. Its sequelae include mood-congruent cognitive delusions, treatment-resistant euphoria, and toxic affective psychosis."

Eeek! Needless to say, no responsible adult would mess around with a potent neurotoxin under this description.
(www.biopsychiatry.com)
 
Splatt wrot "I took the plunge and had the neo doves and SC's snorted on the comedown of MDFA+MDMA along with K. The depth perception is amazing. Everything is so 2D but you can pinpoint exactly wherte something is, how far away something is.. muich better than our 3D. You can make anything turn into anything, witrh full open eye visual control, just by not blinking for minutes" So cool isn"t it. I find it even better with good weed
 
decontructionist said:
Perhaps that could become an item in an instrument developed through actually talking to people who use substances.

I hate the way in which medicine can suck all of the fun out of drugs.

There are a number of presumptuous statements there, deconstructionist. The first is the 'us and them' game, where people who use drugs assume that no-one who is studying drug use has used drugs. I know ALOT of the drug research community, and most are personally familiar with at least some substances. Many get into research because of their experiences. And I would say most use instruments that they see as relevant to the user experience.

Medicine doesn't suck the fun out of drugs... where does that come from? Whether you like the 'paradigm' or not, drugs can cause harm. Drugs don't always cause harm, but they can. Harm minimization is about preventing that
harm occurring. Harm happens when drugs are used in a way that causes harm. Lots of people choose to use drugs that way. Wherein lies the fault of medicine? I hate the way irresponsible users give authorities an excuse to irresponsibly legislate...:p

BTW, although interesting, this seems to be heading off topic again. As a Greenlighter, I'd invite you to throw out some new threads, deconstructionist, and see who you can entice in to a debate:D
 
koggi weed ands bulbs were definitely including, just didnt wanna makwe the list to long and get edited.
woops meant MDA too
 
There's a link in EADD to this thread (same sort of debate) and all I can say is that without knowing what the active ingredients are, such products can be a disaster waiting to happen. They may well seem fairly safe on their own, but as can be seen, they get taken in conjunction with other drugs and in such combinations can be very dangerous/potentially fatal due to things like enzyme inhibition, competetive activity at receptors eyc. Even worse, what would normally act as an antidote might actually prove more toxic because of the issues mentioned above. The active compounds must be identified and that info passed on to medical authorities in order that they can deal with any medical emergencies arising from their use; not doing so is highly irresponsible in the extreme (mrs f&b is an NHS toxicologist, so I'm actually speaking from the point of view of a national poisons unit regarding these new products). It's inevitable that once the info is in the hands of the medical authorities that it'll eventually end up in the hands of LE/legislature authorities, but that is the lesser of two evils - nothing is worth keeping secret if someone loses their life because of it; any other view is greedy, callous and very self-interest orientated.

More power to the likes of P_D & Dr platypus IMO
 
Okay this shit isn't good. I know in the last thread IV use wasn't really wanting to be discussed but a user said a 3/4 of a sub coca dissolved well, felt better than coke, meth/ice, speed etc... and really clean.

Lets just say someone shot up more than half a capsule.. fair amount of powder.. did not dissolve in injection water really at all, filtered with the normal cigarette style filters they give you with sharps kits at the chemist. so much sludge left on the spoon. Solution was clear, but had tiny little bubbles that looked like particles. Anyway, it was flicked until couldnt really see them and in the vein she goes.

The patient got an instant rush but it was disorientating. Not stimulating and pretty munting. Both users felt this rush.. it faded quickly into a weird munty experience with no euphoria or stimulation and random pains and stuff. Some chest pains. They feel like they could just go to sleep.

The sludge on the spoon tasted real bitter, like it normally is, but I have a feeling theres an active ingredient missing when the sub cocas are filtered that doesnt make it in the fit. The actual stimulating drug. Which you feel via snorting and orally.

Really, don't IV these, it's not worth it. Patients learnt their lesson. Would rather be sober not that they are feeling much besides some depth perception weirdness and a non-breathing feeling.
Stick to oral or snorting if you want to keep doing this.

The people that done this are now worried the toxin that is supposed to build up in the body after use is eating away at their heart or lungs or something.
 
remove this post if u wish but a good friend of mine has been having a nd just about every day for the past two months. it scares me a bit. he doesn't do any other drugs(illegal) and says He can't feel any negative side effects. I 'll have to ask if he feels a little addicted or if he just really really likes them. Some people don't when the stop eh?
 
My friend is paranoid he has injected bk-PM*A or even 4-methyl-amphetamine, whatever the drug is that basically gives you parkonism in 20 yrs.
 
What drugs give you parkonism in 20 years?
So basically are we waiting for this survey to be completed then the results wil be released?
Are the substances toxic or have any serious side effects like some speculations in previous posts?
So are the results in or what?
Has anyone mixed these with any psychedelics eg. LSD or mushrooms?
Also wondering if anyone mixed with any piperazines? Are piperazines illegal in NZ now?
I going to get stuck into the range tomorrow.
What seems to be the best combos with Neo range and with neo range and other drugs?
 
if you dont care whats in them or about coming down and want a good ride i recommend at least double dropping neo doves (i found 4 at once to be about the same as a standard munty pill in a lot of ways). For sub cocas, u can snort or take orally and its alot like amphetamine, but don't take too much..

Dont bother redosing on any of the products after they wear off, the hit gets shorter and shorter until its like 5 minutes.


dont mix with piperazines, thats asking for trouble. Ive mixed one neo dove with cialis for sex and it had weird effects. blue and red dots appearing everywhere, weird eye pressure and sweating. and clialis is a piperazine, just not recreational.. i'd say the stimulating pipes like BZP would be a nightmare to mix with, much like they can be with MDMA.
 
SC2 lovers will be happy to know that the SC2’s have been reformulated for the better.
They are now a pure bright white, very fine powder and have less odour and taste.
It looks just like a line of nice louie on your mirror ;-)
Also, the effects seem even better and stronger. Small lines of SC2 will keep you happy for quite a while. It’s a very clean rush, the least munty of them all. I find them very comparable to louie.
SC2s also contain the least amount of powder. It’s as though just the ‘good’ stuff is contained in them.
Snorting seems to be the best way to go for these, especially seeing that only a small line is required and with the new formulation, there is hardly any burning or unplesant taste.
Also, Doron stated to me that he will happily swap any old SC2’s for the new reformulated SC2’s if you return them.
I found that mixing them with LSD (top quality liquid) is lots of fun. They enhance the effects of each other 5 fold. One SC2 in lines with 1 drop of LSD kept me peaking/rushing for well over 5 hours.
 
Kelly666 said:
haha. It's the name of the survey that the mod p_d made. The name is there for all to see. I guess mods have exceptions though.
The survey is on page 2 for people to complete...
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=349040&page=2

Actually we have stopped editing out the company name as it's kind of pointless when everyone knows what we're talking about anyway. There are no special rules for mods.
 
I have mixed viagra with all the neo range and have found no ill effects. I must say that i have certainly had trouble getting it up with sc and sc2.
What colours are the new sc2's msg me if u have to.
these colours i not sure whats what
 
i just want to know the ingredidents, know the one that gives a good rush like meth, find it NOT through Neorganicscs, shoot it and sleep that night.
otherwise this range has no purpsoe for me.. having to take 4 to get a actual MDMA experience of ND's and to feel so shit afterwards isnt worth it when you can just take a tested strong pill (or 1.5) and it's just as legal.
 
Apologies for the delay. I'm currently gathering up as much info on the substances as I can, consulting both the more esteemed pharmacologists among us and literature. As most of the compounds are rather exotic ( compared to the more common street drugs) finding peer reviewed material is next to impossible.
 
Splatt said:
i just want to know the ingredidents, know the one that gives a good rush like meth, find it NOT through Neorganicscs, shoot it and sleep that night.
otherwise this range has no purpsoe for me.. having to take 4 to get a actual MDMA experience of ND's and to feel so shit afterwards isnt worth it when you can just take a tested strong pill (or 1.5) and it's just as legal.
^^^^
?Huh?

Exotic i like the sound of that.

Any guesses as to whats in them?
So was all the stress about them being toxic founded or not?
 
^ There are some concerns. More soon....


If you know anyone who is yet to complete the survey, please nudge them to give it a go. We're only a few short of our target.
 
if this site is about harm reduction then i thinks its best to give the health concerns and harm reductions ideas out asap.
wouldn't u think before more harm is done.
 
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