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    Quote Originally Posted by dankstersauce
    So is this the big and dandy suboxone thread?
    Theres sooo many bupe threds, but this is a good one.
     

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    hahaaaaa nice....now nobody can say they looked and didnt find the info they needed.

    good post man, and i see you linked my old thread about the new pills, big upps. this really hit the nail on the head as far as suboxone/bupe is concerned. it seemed like every day there were 2 or 3 threads popping up about how long to wait bla bla bla...so there now, its all here, one convieinent thread.

    also, when it comes to suboxone taken sublingually, i remember hearing it takes about 100mins for it to be at its peak level. in tolerant ppl it comes on pretty slow. i know ppl who have made the mistake of doing some, thinking its weak and doing more, only to be bent over the toilet all night. point is, bupe is a pretty strong opioid.

    if you look at the cieling dose, there is no reason to take more than 32mgs.

    anyways, good post man. its informative and striaght to the point.
     

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    Great Post!! I took my last bupe dose today, I had about 4mg but said fuck it, and slammed it all with 10mg of valium (from an ampoule), and I was screaming from pain and pleasure at the same time....loved the warm rush, then I just chilled, smoked cigs and watched a movie with my sis, but I was on cloud 9 the whole time, I just came down... so now I guess I'll have some mild w/'ds amd then it's back to the naltrexone, well at least I could appreciate, even if not for such a longtime, what a great and lifesaving med buprenorphine can be. About the standard opiate tests, they only test for Opium and it's alkaloids, and the alkaloids alkaloids....there are special strips for testing bupe, just like the 5 panel Opiate strip sasy OPI this one says BUP, there are also special strips for Methadone and oxy.....I'd guesss you're more likely to test positive after eating a poppy seed bagel than you are if you just take bupe, but if your freedom is at stake is understandable, but no need to difame such a great drug.


    Ombladon: it all depends on the Province where you live, some provinces (cough, fucking Alberta) have bupe still in it's trial stage, I guess it should be available in B.C. but have no factual data, and as far as the East Coast is concerned prolly Quebec and Ontario have it....I was gonn import a whole lot (legally, thru the Ministry of Health) from a physician from my family who lives in Alberta, and he gave me the bad news, and said in other provinces it might be different...anyway sooner or later there's gonna be bupe approved in all Canada, it's gonna take a couple of years though it seems.

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    Well, Johannes, I would like to commend you for another idea that will torture me for a couple of weeks,. As I tend to only focus on things that tie into my own klife (reason I only post on opiates,etc.) I have not had more than passing reasons to focus on analysis of antibodies. I have been on prescribed opioids until about 14 days ago so it was never an issue although of course I have researched the issues involved ,etc. I will look into this but I believe Prozen has got it right when he talks of the 2 targetted alkaloids and their byproducts that are present in illict preperations. Oxycodone is rooted in the poppy although it is a synthetic so this might cause overflow in that area. Do not know if my English is expressing it well but I thibnk you can understand.

    I will look though. It might take a good week because I am still looking into metabolites and how long they effect retention in terms of urinalysis.

    As for the question posed to Prozen, your friends are correct. All high affinity agonists do is flood receptors. They do not block per se. If you have enough alkaloids to climb over these high affinity substances you will be able to net psych9oactive effects. Even on 400 mgs.of methadone you can inject enough heroin to override it , if you do not die first.

    For me, I can not do it unless I am on a low dose of about 60 mgs. but of course my receptors are pretty clean now having last had methadone on the 20th of July. 70 is the avg. breaking point, but it varies. With sub it is different though because of the antagonist compounded into it. It can easily precipitate w/d so it is iffy.
     

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    Juz: Old junkie does not translate into smart junkie. I have been banging for almost 25 years now and have only met 2 others (I usually live in the S.Bronx so it is a wide pool) that I felt could keep up intellectually. Most could not tell you how many steps a poppy takes to turn into heroin, nor even care about it in the slightest aside from fantasizing about low cost pure heroin.

    As for subjective expereinces, they are valuable I think but in a very limited way and only when combined with clinical knowledge, the 2 together are unbeatable.

    Ombladon, I do hesitate to engage a person who calls me Christ Killer but I am curious. I believe what you said but is Canada socialised? If so, why is anyone paying for any Rx? That seems to be a bit of defeating one's purpose.

    Per Geezer, if BC has heroin via Rx one would think they have Bupe as well. BC seems to be that nation's test case for all OSP.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by rachamim
    Juz: Old junkie does not translate into smart junkie. I have been banging for almost 25 years now and have only met 2 others (I usually live in the S.Bronx so it is a wide pool) that I felt could keep up intellectually. Most could not tell you how many steps a poppy takes to turn into heroin, nor even care about it in the slightest aside from fantasizing about low cost pure heroin.
    That's so true. If you talk to the average heroin user on the street, you'll be lucky if they know that heroin is a prodrug. They typically base all their drug knowledge on what they hear from other users, and occasionally from social workers at the methadone clinic(which isn't that much better). It's all a bunch of rubbish based on urban legends and myths. It's still common to hear that Adolf Hitler himself created methadone and that it settles into your bones.
     

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    LOL @ Christ Killer, my friend ombladon, I'm afraid I'm also a "Christ Killer"
     

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    Great Post phrozen, hope to see more research soon!
     

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    "If you're using bupe to taper off of another opiate, you should dose once you're experiencing wd's(typically 36-48 hrs. for most opiates). Start with 2-4mgs and dose at 2mg increments every 30-45minutes until a dose holds you."

    ^^^posted by phrozen^^^

    im on 16mg bupe

    to avoid recipated withdrawls or to lessen them. after ive been using heroin, i drop the tablets in half's every 6 hours. (i take two 8mg tablets)

    still feel cold and sweat and no sleep (good reason to stop going back to gear) but its not as bad. deffinatley not as bad as when i came start of 50mls of methadone! where i only lased three day before i gave up and scored.

    aloso i found when i have done this and after my second cold night of no sleep and im into my third day(still not feeling 100%,and just wanna feel that warm feeling). i wont use any bupe and score some gear. not much just enough to get a little nod and feel warm. then the next day, ill take my to 8mg tab's (6 hours apart just incase) and it wont bring me back to the start of the precipated withdrawls, ill be o.k.feel better than i did on my third day of precipated withdrawl!!..

    why do you think this happens, i thort that i would have to go threw the whole precipated withdrawl strech from the start. but i dont, the bupe's fine...?????

    my guess is the way bupe levels grow in your system, so after two days there up high, and missing one day isnt enough time for it to decresse to zero....dont know can anyone help!???

    (hope you can understand my terrible english)
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    You've abused the drugs and you'll be in pain. The best place would be to clean enough that you feel "ok" without anything... wait a week and then if you need to use heroin once... wait a week... do heroin once... wait a week... etc.

    Might get your life together and save some $...
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr Bungle
    "If you're using bupe to taper off of another opiate, you should dose once you're experiencing wd's(typically 36-48 hrs. for most opiates). Start with 2-4mgs and dose at 2mg increments every 30-45minutes until a dose holds you."

    ^^^posted by phrozen^^^

    im on 16mg bupe

    to avoid recipated withdrawls or to lessen them. after ive been using heroin, i drop the tablets in half's every 6 hours. (i take two 8mg tablets)

    still feel cold and sweat and no sleep (good reason to stop going back to gear) but its not as bad. deffinatley not as bad as when i came start of 50mls of methadone! where i only lased three day before i gave up and scored.

    aloso i found when i have done this and after my second cold night of no sleep and im into my third day(still not feeling 100%,and just wanna feel that warm feeling). i wont use any bupe and score some gear. not much just enough to get a little nod and feel warm. then the next day, ill take my to 8mg tab's (6 hours apart just incase) and it wont bring me back to the start of the precipated withdrawls, ill be o.k.feel better than i did on my third day of precipated withdrawl!!..

    why do you think this happens, i thort that i would have to go threw the whole precipated withdrawl strech from the start. but i dont, the bupe's fine...?????

    my guess is the way bupe levels grow in your system, so after two days there up high, and missing one day isnt enough time for it to decresse to zero....dont know can anyone help!???

    (hope you can understand my terrible english)
    That quote talks about finding the ideal bupe dose when you're coming off of another opiate. I don't really understand the rest of your post.
     

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    Quick question I didn't see answered, does suboxone have some sort of coating to prevent from overdosing and or abusing? I've been told if the outer layer of the pill is scraped or washed off there would be no nausea side effect after snorting or placing under toung.
    Also, is it true bupe will only show up in a blood test?
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    Suboxone has no coating. It can be tested for by other methods as well; urine, saliva, and hair.
     

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    I have heard it doesn't affect drug tests, however I have also read of several people writing that it DID trigger the opiate line in a standard urine test.

    I quit in a rapid manner when I found out that I was having drug tests for a year.
     

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    bupe doesn't show up in a standard NIDA-5 drug test. People don't understand how these tests work. They test for the metabolites (what your body has processed and broken the drugs down into) of the drugs. (Regarding the NIDA-5) Unless they are specifically testing for bupe it wont show up under opiates unless they have changed the tests to include bupe which I highly doubt they have. Most standard tests test for morphine metabolites and many are testing for more semi-synthetic derivatives now (meaning the 7-10+ panel tests). I.E. the morphones, the codones, 6-acetylmorphine (heroin metabolite), etc.

    New tests are out that test for all sorts of opiates/opiods including bupe. So unless you know which test your clinic/po/etc uses I would be careful.
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    Jesus!

    We discussed buprenorphine testing in regards to 5 panels on the first page. Please read the full thread before replying.


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    BTW biggerstronger, 5 panels do not test for morphones and codones.
     

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    I was replying to the post above me...I was speaking about some of the other tests that test for stuff like oxymorphone/oxycodone, hydromorphone/codone, etc. I've seen many new strip tests that test for a lot of different types including the ones above, but I did not mean to imply that standard 5 panel tests test for morphones and codones...I meant the newer higher panel tests do that.
     

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    I would like to add something:

    The ceiling dosage is 24mg-32mg in a day.
    But the ceiling dosage for one dose is 8mg.

    So if you're going to take some Bupe, don't take more than 8mg at a time, it won't get you higher.

    (my ceiling dosage is 24mg, which is what I'm prescibed for every day. To get the most out my Bupe, I shoot 8mg in the morning, then 4mg every 4 hours)
     

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    Really? I've never heard of that. When I went through induction at first I got dosed in 8mg increments. I was given 8mgs and had to sit around for 45 minutes. I was still sick after 45 minutes and I was given another 8mgs. I ended up at 20mg.

    If that is true, how long after your first dose should you redose for opitimal effects?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by phrozen
    If that is true, how long after your first dose should you redose for opitimal effects?
    A few hours....

    I already tried 8mg, 12mg, 16mg and even 42mg at once, and never got more effects than 8 mg.....
     

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    I'm sure you took your tolerance into account with each dose?
     

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    I'm prescribed 40mg per day, but always take less than that and almost always in 4mg increments every few hours
     

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    ^40mgs? bupe has a cieling dose of around 32mgs....taking anything over that is pointless...its surprising that some doctors still just rx it all the way up ;ike that
     

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    wow..i'm coming off of bupe now ..but wtf 40mgs? jeez man. one milligram of buprenorphine held me for 10 days, give or take a couple days (that's where my physical dependance is at, and has been). i've decided enough is enough, and that i'd rather not fear withdrawal, but endure it and live as i have been (on suboxone). to say the least, i feel just as bad when there is/was high levels of bupe in me mentally, when there is low levels. there is almost no difference in mindset, only physical symptoms are first to appear.
     

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    Phrozen, yeah Hitler and Bones are the biggest urban myths on methadone I think. Thing is, Nazis DID invent it but the part about Dolophine being named for old Adolph is totally false. They just had forethought about morphine shortages in wartime and as they geared up for their push they sank money into alternative sources for analgesia, same with the methamphetamine route they devised.

    As for calcium loss, it is totally false. People are soooo ignorant. I was too when I started but then we never had an internet, or even access to computers in those years. Today I find it hard to visualise a reason why people remain in a fog, maybe part of it is fear, because then they might have to accept responsibility for their negative actions.
     

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