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GBL/ GHB withdrawal HELP

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I have been taking pure gbl for over two years 24/7 now about 1.5 ozs when mixed with gatorade. I have tried cold turkey and after about 16 hours of throwing up extreme anxiety 0 sleep, and shaking I had to cave in just to get a cap. I was shaking so bad that I ended up not being able to even pour the cap and just having to chug it straight from the bottle. I instantly started getting better after about thirty minutes and by the next morning I was fine, but that was only because I kept using it. I have tried wiening off but the problem is that you have to have somebody to take your stash away from you and dose you out a certain amount per day or you will just end up cheating and drinking it everytime you think that you need it.. I need to find out what I can take while trying to get over these withdrawals prefebally legally but whatever works. I just cant keep taking this the rest of my life. Although I can run off of about 4 hours of sleep a night total and function fine for work and with a social life fine. I NEED HELP!!!!!
 
Hurtingbad44 said:
I have been taking pure gbl for over two years 24/7 now about 1.5 ozs when mixed with gatorade. I have tried cold turkey and after about 16 hours of throwing up extreme anxiety 0 sleep, and shaking I had to cave in just to get a cap. I was shaking so bad that I ended up not being able to even pour the cap and just having to chug it straight from the bottle. I instantly started getting better after about thirty minutes and by the next morning I was fine, but that was only because I kept using it. I have tried wiening off but the problem is that you have to have somebody to take your stash away from you and dose you out a certain amount per day or you will just end up cheating and drinking it everytime you think that you need it.. I need to find out what I can take while trying to get over these withdrawals prefebally legally but whatever works. I just cant keep taking this the rest of my life. Although I can run off of about 4 hours of sleep a night total and function fine for work and with a social life fine. I NEED HELP!!!!!
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Did you even read this thread? There is plenty of advice. Alcohol, and benzos. And tapering.
 
^yes there was a guy who posted further up about his experience with baclofen, hurtingbad
i wud imagine any anti-epileptic, esp really sedating ones like gabapentin, wud all help

although alcohol and benzos r equally as evil really as far as addiction goes (god u never want to end up hooked on benzos - it takes forever to taper if u dont want to go out of ur mind with panic), GHB/GBL withdrawals (the acute ones anyway) dont seem to last very long so u dont need to take benzos or drink excessively for more than they last (round about the same length as alcohol withdrawal....but watch out for the PAWS afterward.....u might want back-up from a drug counsellor to make sure u stay clean from it)

however, while all this makes sense, i wudnt rely entirely on that post about baclofen (no offense anon1235) as the poster said GHB/GBL withdrawal is purely psychological and not physical.....while from wat ive seen in friends and at medical detox, id beg to differ
vomitting, muscle spasms, seizures, etc r definitely physical withdrawals
 
baclofen was first suggested for alcohol addiction by a certain alcoholic surgeon who managed to treat himself successfully with it and published a paper on the topic.

then it was discovered it does miracles for GHB addiction too.

and its also rather cheap, unscheduled and easy to get ahold of.

so, problem solved.
 
diamorph said:
and its also rather cheap, unscheduled and easy to get ahold of.
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i wud suspect thats not the case in evry country
but it makes sense that it wud work on GHB/GBL addiction if it works on alcohol addiction
 
Thanks but??

Thanks for all the advice but I have been taking Klonopin 3mg per day for about 7 months now trying to control my usage of gbl.. It has almost gotten to the point where they seem to have no effect anymore. I also recently got prescribed to ambien cr 12.5 to try to sleep longer than two hours without a cap. At about 10 I take 2 mg Klonopin a couple caps and my ambien and I am still up within four hours almost completely alert and awake and the only way I can knock myself back out for a while is with a few more caps. What is balcofen and how would I obtain it??
 
Hurtingbad44 said:
Thanks for all the advice but I have been taking Klonopin 3mg per day for about 7 months now trying to control my usage of gbl.. It has almost gotten to the point where they seem to have no effect anymore. I also recently got prescribed to ambien cr 12.5 to try to sleep longer than two hours without a cap. At about 10 I take 2 mg Klonopin a couple caps and my ambien and I am still up within four hours almost completely alert and awake and the only way I can knock myself back out for a while is with a few more caps. What is balcofen and how would I obtain it??
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man, that's quite a stupid thing to do, taking BOTH g and klonopin for THAT long.
that gets you fucked up even further.
i indulge in this exact same combo now and then, but avoid doing it for days in sequence, god forbid months.

i dont have any readily available sources for baclofen atm, but its easily obtainable through internet vendors, google/ask around. or just get your doc to prescribe it to you.

or just quit/get your G habit to a MINIMUM, take VERY little klonopin, suffer for a week and get it over with.

if your G intake is not much more than 30ml/day, you should really be ok within a couple of days, as horrible as they might be.

opiates are somewhat helpful too, in my experience.
 
Hurtingbad44 said:
Thanks for all the advice but I have been taking Klonopin 3mg per day for about 7 months now trying to control my usage of gbl.. It has almost gotten to the point where they seem to have no effect anymore. I also recently got prescribed to ambien cr 12.5 to try to sleep longer than two hours without a cap. At about 10 I take 2 mg Klonopin a couple caps and my ambien and I am still up within four hours almost completely alert and awake and the only way I can knock myself back out for a while is with a few more caps. What is balcofen and how would I obtain it??
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I don't know where you live - but Baclofen is RX only in most places. If you're in the US, Phenibut (beta-phenyl-GABA) is completely legal and available OTC. Its very similar in action to Baclocfen (beta-(4-chlorophenyl-GABA) and will stop GBL withdrawal. Be aware, that like Baclofen, it has a very similar withdrawal profile to G. Baclofen and Phenibut are milder and longer-acting drugs in the same family as G. Either will help much more than benzos or alcohol, but Phenibut can be obtained legally in the US if that's where you are. Hope this helps, PM me if you have any questions.
 
FRank lucas

Thanks for the help I am going to give it a shot do I just quit taking the gbl cold turkey with it or do I wein off while taking it? Where or what kind of store do I get this medicine at?? Thanks again
 
GNC sells a product called "Relax-All" - and if you can't find it at the store, you can get it online. I've also used SNS Phenibut XT and it's very good. You should never take G with Phenibut - that's very dangerous.
 
Still trouble

Relax all is not working. I am dying here after about only 8 hours I am vomiting shaking and have severe anxiety. I do not even want to answer my phone.. Im gonna have to jump off the bandwagon here and give in to the g. Are there any more reccomendations. Even four mgs of klonopin and an ambien cr cant put me to sleep. I have got to get in and get to the water...
 
hurtingbad - i suggest u put urself in a medical detox at this point
as i said earlier, benzos will only worsen the problem
by now ur body will b physically tolerant and u will most likely b addicted to mild tranquilisers (benzos/ambien)

go into detox for the G withdrawal and maybe a head-start on getting off the benzos
then if i were u id keep on a medically-scheduled taper from those benzos from there (im including ambien, even tho it isnt technically a benzo btw)
stay away from regular benzo use!
i found that out the hard way - id rather go CT off heroin than benzos anyday

thats my 2 cents

oh and to add another 5 bucks i suggest drug counselling/rehab after that, maybe even some NA/AA meetings if ur not totally against them

also diamorph - im glad u didnt provide him with any sources for baclofen....it may b a medication but it is still technically 'sourcing'
if u havnt read the BL rules properly yet - I SUGGEST U DO SO as if u had provided an internet source we wud hav taken it VERY seriously
 
Thanks to all for the help

I am really confused about the benzos.. I have had a prescription for them for about 7 months now and I really just use them with the ambiens to try and sleep. But there have been several occasions where I have had to go out of town for work and did not have access to them for several days and really had no withdrawal or cravings for them.. They really just help me sleep longer without having to wake up every hour or two and take a couple more caps. Why is it so bad to be using them together trust me I can go without the klonopins right now I cant go more than four or five hours without the G. I guess it appears my only options would be to check in and recieve medical help but I can not do that due to my job and obligations to my customers. I might just have to bight the bullet and keep on just trying to use about an oz less every week or so and see how low I can finally get it down.
 
Are you going cold turkey? At your dose level that can be really dangerous. Set up a taper schedule where you slowly reduce your dose. Over the course of months. Find your baseline 'normal' feeling dose, and start reducing it bit by bit. Don't increase the time in-between doses until the dose gets quite small; you want to have as close as possible to a steady state of G in your system to keep the worst symptoms manageable. Even when you increase the time between doses, do it slowly. Maybe by a 1/2 hour a week. This spreads out your withdrawal over a long time, and it will be tough at times, but you'll still be able to function.
 
Just a quick FYI - benzo's and ambien work mainly on GABA-A and GHB, Baclofen and Phenibut work mainly on GABA-B. So while benzo's can help a little, they don't hit the receptor that's out of whack from the G. Alcohol works on both, incidentally, but that's not going to help you any more than continuing to use G. In fact, you are definitely in too deep to detox yourself. I absolutely agree that you should go into a medical detox. They can give you exactly what you need.
 
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Is there anyway to go to a doctor and have them prescribe the stuff that I needed so that I could detox at my house? There is no way I could explain to my employer my family and my customers that I have to take a couple of weeks off to detox from a drug that I am addicted to... I am scared life is fine with G but I know that I can not keep taking it my whole life... What are the long term side effects from continuing to take G? Does anybody know? Does it hurt the liver or anything else? Please help and thanks for all the suggestions so far....
 
Re-read my post man. As long as you can keep getting G, you can taper yourself off. Sudden detoxing off of GABA agonists can be dangerous. You risk severe anxiety, depersonalization, seizures and so on. Taper taper taper.
 
You can always try explaining the situation to a doctor. Try to find an addiction specialist. Other medications that can help are pregabalin and gabapentin - but these are all feeding the same addiction. You can try what Dave said - I've never used G myself, so I don't know how hard it is to taper from. It seems like it would be tough because it's so short acting, but it sounds like he did it successfully. If you find yourself struggling, you may have to bite the bullet and spend a week at a detox. Maybe you can tell your job that you're an alcoholic - it seems to be a lot more socially acceptable.
 
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