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Dosing and Ingesting Poppy Pods

>>You have to remember that oral administration of morphine, the chief alakloid in question, offers an extremely low bioavailability. First pass metabolism will render your attempt - at that amount - practically useless. So why then does tea work you might ask. The answer is that when we immerse pod material in VERY warm water - never boiling - it does a great job at extracting morphine and a fair job of extracting codeine so that we can ingest a greater amount of alkaloids without ingesting as much pod material which also has the sad side effect of naseau.
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So I'm pretty confused. Are you suggesting that extraction into tea will reduce the effect of first-pass metabolism? How is this so?

ebola
 
Sonof: "Will seeping it as tea cause easier extraction of morphine and other alkaloids in a way that is advantageous overjust ingesting raw plant material?" In a nutshell,most definitely. See, when you ingest a substance it is subjected to metabolism. Metabolising alkaloids in a highly digestable solution is alot better than waiting for the hit and miss of your GI system working on an unpalatable vegetable matter. Both tea and the pod would be subject to First Pass but with tea you would have much more alkaloid to work with, and it would be a whole lot faster.

"Is eating raw pods worthless?" Worthless? Nope. Smart? Nope. I believe it is explained clearly above.

Chemical Smile: "Pods can be brewed twice for tea." Well sure. They can also be brewed 10 times but each successive brewing nets far less alkaloids than the last one. This is no reason to throw them away after one seepage though.

Ebola: Per your question, read my first paragraph in this post. If you or others have any more questions, feel free to ask.

In the point youmention I was responding with a point about rectal administration which is the best way to ingest any opiate or opiod afterinjection. Rectal eliminates First Pass, etc. However, I also adressed the advantages of tea over raw pod ingestion so read carefully.

It is possible that my point became muddled in between the two issues , I will try to look at it at length later on and edit it if neccessary.
 
What anti histamine would people recommend for using with poppy tea, I've found benadryl (diphenhydramine) works great with oxycodone and codeine. Being as they all end up basically the same thing would it be safe to assume it would also work well/safely with poppy tea?

Also as far as nausea goes, what do people find is the best way to avoid it, higher dose with food in your stomach?
 
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antihistamine: benadryl works

nausea: try
1. lay down
2. have some food in stomach
3. pepto bismol
 
I really wish we could get more people to dose by weight.

1 It would clear up SO much confusion

2 It would be WAY more accurate

3 It would, with out doubt, be very helpful to newbies searching though the plethora of forum posts and other outlets looking for a proper first dose
 
Alright. I believe I have found the best of both worlds on this matter. I took my recent collection of about 15 poppies and broke them down to 170 grams of powder via coffee grinder. I added the seeds to my collection which is now at 150 grams. I placed the diced up crowns and stems in a baggie in case I ever need a fix. I had an IDEA. I have eaten 10 grams before and felt pretty good off of it. so I measured out 16 grams and put it in an empty coffee mug, a big mug. I ran plain ole water though the coffee maker and poured it into the mug. The flavor reminds me of green tea in a way so I put a pack of green tea in and added some honey. I let it sit about five minutes, enough to be able to drink it and removed the tea bag. Then I continuously stirred and drank scraping the powder down my throat. once it was gone I gathered up the remnants in the mug and swallowed them with a little regular water. It feels like the tea is brewing in my belly and it hits me fast. I feel like I've taken 50 mgs of hydrocodone and its been only 45 minutes. no signs of coming down yet either. ITs not that hard to do. Man it up and try it this way, its the least wasteful and I use ALL of the plant.
 
Jesus, I am soo new to the underground drug world..Im just a norco pill popper..

Poppy pods? What the..??

Anybody want to explain to me what these are? Or you can flame and tell me to use the search button but i've been on this site for 2 days researching my ass off!!!!!

[No asking for sources. - 6/7]
 
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poppy pods are the dried plants that one uses for ornamental purposes, which then can be made into tea.
 
hey. its the Other Drugs forum. The very first STICKY thread and scroll down till you get to poppys.

Enough said, not to flame Mischief but thats the easy way to start. Then you search your ass off if that doesnt tell you everything you need to knowl
;)
 
CloudyHazeD said:
I really wish we could get more people to dose by weight.

1 It would clear up SO much confusion

2 It would be WAY more accurate

3 It would, with out doubt, be very helpful to newbies searching though the plethora of forum posts and other outlets looking for a proper first dose


my tolerance is to about 3tbsp, (2 pods) and my oral morphine tolerance is at about 120mg mscontin, 150mg if i want to nod. i would say 2.5 pods for me (tennis ball size pods) is equivalent to about 150-160mg mscontin
 
my tolerance is to about 3tbsp, (2 pods) and my oral morphine tolerance is at about 120mg mscontin, 150mg if i want to nod. i would say 2.5 pods for me (tennis ball size pods) is equivalent to about 150-160mg mscontin

I agree, if they are freshly dried spring pods, good quality, and the tea is made right, this is true. I found a study that stated on average each pod contains about 50-200mg of Morphine. Of course this is based on a lab test and fully extracting all the morphine content. Tea extraction might yield 50-70%

Start low, if you are a newb or not experienced with opiates (better not to start at all) but if you must start with 1tbsb (or 1 average pod) and find out what dosage works best.. Also helps to grind up several in a batch to average out the morphine content as it does vary.

Hot water is good; avoid boiling at all or for too long as this will break down codeine and to some extent morphine as well as extract oils and other plant material that increase unpleasant side effects. Morphine by itself is known for nausea.

Expect to be laid out for a good 5-10 hours, as it lasts a long time. Insomnia is also a side effect, although somewhat enjoyable in low doses. Full effects may take upwards of 2 hours to kick in, so be careful with redoing. Personally, I like the smaller doses, less/no sickness, less drowsiness, better overall feeling. Might not be the nod you are looking for, but certainly is pleasant…

This stuff demands respect, and it will become a habit very quick, so be careful…
 
Could a few people weigh what they consider a leveled tea spoon?

I have no tolerance at all so what dose (in weight) of full ground pod would people recomened?
 
Pods sizes I've seen offered are medium, large and jumbo. I began dosing with 4 medium pods with no tolerance (I weigh 105kg). Little to no itching and surely no nodding.

I've gone as high as 12 pods and this was too much as Benadryl didn't touch the itching and I was out like a light about 4 hours into the adventure.

7 pods was about perfect for me and BTW no amount of honey or sugar was able to touch the bitterness of this alkaloid. To combat the taste I simply cram 7 pods into 3 ounces final product. 16oz orange juice and 3oz of 'product' still makes the need to plug my nose and chug as fast possible a necessity.

I throw away the stems, crown and knuckles. I also toss the used 'plant material' as I took 20 pods worth of 'material' and brewed. The resulting liquid was light brown and transparent with little to no effect. This leads me to believe that my first 'brew' is quite thorough and complete.

Below is some information I collected from various places. For the experts out there please feel free to correct any misinformation.

-perfect dose is around 3-4 medium sized pods, or 2-3 biguns

-wouldn't drink a proper amount of tea if i had real obligations the next day.
tends to keep me up and mess with my everything and all

-start slow. tea is the strongest i have found,but you need to watch it. start slow. 1/4 cup, 1/2 cup. it's fabulous, but watch your step

-first time I ever tried poppies, I had a mild nausea,
but it went away rather quickly and wasn't painful

Basic Poppy Tea Recipe

Brewing up a batch of poppy tea is easy. Essentially all there is to it is grinding up some pods and adding them to boiled water. Presented below is a typical recipie for Poppy Tea. Make sure to always start with very few pods, and then work your way up to receive the desired effects. Remember -- it's better to start small and feel nothing, then to use too much and end up dead. Of course, this recipie is provided for informational purposes only, and it is not recommended that you actually try this.

Step one: Take your supply of poppy pods and grind them in a coffee grinder to create as fine a powder as possible. Mix the powder into a homogenous product, so as to account for variations in potency between one pod and the next.

Step two: Measure out five pods worth of powder. If you are using more "potent" strains such as hens and chickens, start with perhaps two. If you have a high tolerance to opiates, you can try more. But always remember to start SMALL. It's always better to waste some pods than to overdose!

Step three: Boil two cups of water on the stove. Once the water is boiling, remove from the heat and add your powdered pods. Do not boil the pods!

Step four: Stir occasionally, allowing around 15-30 minutes for the tea to "steep", and cool.

Step Five: Pour the contents through a strainer or cheesecloth into a mug. Save the used pulp from the strainer, as it can be used again, although at about half the strength. Only use one cup of water when doing a re-brew.

Step Six: Drink the mixture, including any powdery residue left at the bottom of your mug, as it will also contain alkaloids. Waste not want not!

Many people simply cannot stand the taste of the tea. It can be quite horrible in fact, especially if you can't handle bitter flavours well. Some people like to add some honey or sugar to their tea to mask the flavour. Others say that mixing the tea with Orange Juice can totally mask the flavour, without reducing the effects. In the end, it's up to you.

Remember, as with any opiate based substance, it is possible to both overdose and become addicted to poppy tea. So use caution! It's always better not to start at all, but if you must, it is imperative that you treat these powerful substances with the respect that they deserve.


Another Poppy Tea Recipe

Ingredients:
2-4 large dried giganthemum pods or 5-10 medium pods
2 cups water per person
1 medium size pot
1 medium porous strainer or cheesecloth
1 regular mechanical or electric coffee grinder
1 table spoon Honey or Sugar
2 slices lemons

ALWAYS START WITH A WEEKER/MILDER TEA AND INCREASE IF DESIRED
DIFFERENT SIZE/TYPE OF PODS WILL RESULT IN A STRONGER/MILDER TEA
REMEMBER, START MILD AND WORK UP!!!!

1. After the poppy has gone through its flowering cycle,
a light brown to purple-blue in color pod is left on the end of the stem.
Most pods will be bone-dry, beige-purple and brittle. You need about ten medium size pods or four of the large giganthemum pods per person for this tea recipe.
For stronger effect you may use slightly more.

2. Break the pods off of the stems, twisting them so as to create a hole at the
bottom of the pod where the stem came off. If the pods have not been drilled or dehisced, the pods will contain a great deal of seeds which you can now remove
and save for planting. Break the pods open and empty out the seeds. There is no need to include the seeds in the tea because the ingredients for the tea are in the poppy pods alone.

3. At this point you will need a coffee grinder either mechanical or electrical
which can be found at Wal-Mart, Sears or any other department store for between $10 and $20. Put the pods in the grinder, and grind the pods to as fine a powder as possible. The more you grind them the more surface area there is for the flavoring of the poppy to be extracted.

4. Boil 2 cups of water per person/batch. When the water comes to a boil, stir
in the ground-up pods and immediately remove the pot from the heat. You want to scald the powder but you don't want it to sit there and boil on the stove, it will break down the flavoring. As the water cools continue to stir in the powder into the water. You don't have to stir continuously, but insure the powder fully mixes with the water. After it is fully mixed let the ingredients seep into the water as it cools and become a light brown-yellow cloudy liquid.

5. After about 15-30 minutes, using a cheese cloth or strainer, pour the mixture
through to separate out the water from the pod powder. As you are pouring the boiled water and poppy pods through the strainer or cheese cloth, use a spoon to stir the mixture so that it does not get clogged, and continues to flow. When all of the water is drained, discard the pungent remnants of the pods.

6. Pour the remaining liquid and serve. For enhanced taste you may add some honey or sugar. What you have left is poppy tea. For an alternate taste you may cool and server with sugar and lemon juice as ice tea.


Additional tips

Forum member Sr. Itchy brings to the FAQ his top nine tips for brewing a good cup of tea.

1. Make sure you have a good quality coffee grinder or blender - or that you use one that is effectively disposable. You can get a "disposable" blender at Wal-Mart which you will eventually burn out by pulverizing the poppies. At the other end of the spectrum are the heavy-duty, stainless steel professional models. These high-end machines will last much, much longer and are easier to use.

2. Things to add to the mix to make it more potent include lemon juice, lime juice, distilled vinegar and california poppy. The lemon juice, lime juice and distilled vinegar all contain small amounts of different acids that can chemically change some of the opium molecules into more potent related molecules. A vitamin C tablet tossed in with the pods when they are ground can also help make the water more acidic and therefore more capable of extracting the proper alkaloids from the poppy material.

Cider vinegar works, too, but it smells horrible and makes an already somewhat unpleasant tea into a truly unpleasant tea.

California poppy is not a true poppy but it does have some sedative/euphoric properties. You can buy tinctures of California Poppy alone - or combined with Valerian Root or Kava Kava. Valerian and Kava again have sedative/euphoric and also muscle relaxant properties. Don't use prickly poppy - it is potentially toxic and there have been reports of people getting permanent tinitus (ringing in the ears) from excessive use.

3. Lemon & Lime also serve a double duty as flavor enhancers. Poppy tea made with lime as opposed to poppy tea made without will taste better. Just about any sort of fruit juice will improve the taste, especially orange juice and cranberry juice. Coca Cola is another solution. Maple syrup can actually make the beverage taste GREAT - especially with orange juice. COLD tea tastes better than WARM or HOT tea in my opinion. Start with a big pint glass full of ice, pour your cold ingredients [juice, etc.] in first then add the tea. If you're still sensitive to the taste drinking through a straw make the experience more palatable.

4. While the pod "flesh" is the most potent part of the plant, the stems, seeds
and possibly the leaves contain the same alkaloids albeit in smaller amounts, so don't throw them away. It is said that the stem is about half as potent by weight than the pod. One trick is to make a great deal of tea from leftover stems and then simmer it down in a large, flat saucepan which will allow for fast evaporation of water molecules leaving a stronger concentrate behind.

There are people who make tea just from the seeds (and vinegar and/or lemon/lime). I read once that the seeds themselves contain 2% - 3% of codeine and morphine by weight. While you would probably get more value from the seeds by scattering them in a wild, unmowed field, they, too can contribute to potency in the beverage.

5. If you are using a French Press, pour your drink then top the press off with hot water again. You can do this over and over again, each time with the tea getting lighter and lighter. You may be able to do this as many as 10 times before all you get is water. Even a very weak 10th steep in a French Press overnight will help with chronic pain and muscle spasms.

6. The spent "mush" after a successful round of extractions makes great compost - either dump it in your compost pile or directly into your garden (off season).

7. If you are a beginner and you're planning to give it a whirl, definitely start small and most importantly of all, DO NOT PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO DRIVE. If you get enough of the alkaoids in you you may find yourself nodding off uncontrollably. You DEFINITELY do NOT want to be behind the wheel of an automobile.

8. Frequent use of any opiate has a great potential for causing addiction. If you find yourself "jonesing" for your tea its time to back off.

If you have become fully addicted to the tea, understand that you are addicted to opiates in general and that you may substitute. If you are addicted you should b honest with yourself and try to stop. Substituting to wean oneself from an opiate addiction is one way to "get clean. " Switch from the tea to Ultram/Tramadol and wean yourself off of that.

If that is too difficult then switch to codeine, then progressively lower doses of
codeine and then stop - you will feel cranky, irritable and have flu-like systems for perhaps 2 or 3 days, but it is worth going through if you are having a problem.

An even weaker opiate (opiod?) exists in the form of Darvon. You may find that stepping down through doses of codeine as low as you can then switching to Darvon and progressively lowering doses will help you quit altogether.

If you still can't do it, there is a common herb called "Feverfew" that you can get in capsules at any drug store, Wal-Mart, healthfood store, etc. It has been used in olk medicine for centuries for helping with withdrawal.

Other withdrawal tools include iboga or ibogaine (illegal in the US) and a Southeast Asian tree leaf called "Kratom." UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU MESS WITH EITHER OF THESE SUBSTANCES WITHOUT THE SUPERVISION OF A PHYSICIAN OR SPECIALIST. Read as much as possible about either of these before touching them. Iboga root can cause you to hallucinate for several days - it is dangerous and must be used with care under proper supervision.

9. Don't start.
 
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im using 7 pods right now. i drank my tea 5 hrs ago and i can barely stay awake. im feeling way too relaxed mayne....
 
obviously the more pods you can grind up at once a mix together the more uniform % good shit will be
 
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