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A guide to opioid addiction treatments and other medications used for withdrawal

id it take you 4 months after stopping methadone to get any effect from ketamine?


Correct!!!


but i like to post in TDS


I like you to post in TDS as well, you bring plenty!:)

Sorry about my pissed and drugged up crap !:|

I frequently think I am amusing when in these states.8)

Only to realise I am most certainly not once soberness returns.:(
 
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I read someone that you should not take L-tyrosine with any serotonin reuptake inhibitors such as paxil, prozac and other psychiatric mood elevators. Anybody know the reason for this?

I'd also like to thank the OP for all this advice. I'm currently on day 2 of heroin detox using this method and i find the pains to be minimal, i can actually get up and excercise and do stuff after a good night's of sleep with benzos
 
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You do have a point there. A hot bath (or hot tub, if you have access) is great for RLS, supplemented with extra potassium.
 
will any NSAID work? i have some samples of 200mg celebrex and took some last night but it didn't seem to help until a few hrs later. i'm slightly worried about taking pain reliever since i'm sure my liver has been through enough already but i cannot bear with the w/d pains.

i'm thinking about doing a taper but i'm worried that i won't be able to stop. the w/ds are just too much to handle.
 
PIC said:
"i have plenty of credibility here both on this board and from real life experience and education"

Yeah, whatever man, do you have scientific literature to back it up? I just want to see where it says that one can withdrawal from Immodium. Forget your credibility, that is quite subjective.

Apparently you werent around when Bluelight exploded with all the Loperamide discussions.

Now, there is really no need for "scientific literature" to know it is possible to withdrawal from immodium. All you need is this thing called "logic" (the 2+2=4 kind of logic. Youll see what I mean) and the fact that loperamide is an opioid, or at the very least similar enough to have the effects of an opioid. Now, using that and logic, you can start with Loperamide being an opioid, then take into consideration that opioids, when used on a regular basis and in high enough doses (or even low doses, but we need to think high doses for the next part. And also, usually the stronger the substance, the worse the withdrawals will be e.g. Codeine withdrawals versus Fentanyl withdrawals, and structurally, loperamide is similar to, if not stronger than, fentanyl) for an extended period of time can cause dependence. Now, when dependant on an opioid, if you do not ingest your drug of choice, you will withdrawal.

Therefore, if you take loperamide (2) in high enough doses (+2) over a period of time, you should probably taper or you will withdrawal (=4).

Welcome to 2nd grade.
 
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There actually is scientific literature to back up the fact that loperamide can cause physical dependency. When loperamide was first introduced in the United States, it was a scheduled substance; schedule V to be specific. The reason it was introduced as a scheduled substance was because during clinical trials a physical withdrawal syndrome was observed. The trials involved long-term, high dose loperamide. After it was found that loperamide did not act on any opioid receptors in the brain (for the most part), it was unscheduled. This all happened very quickly, so many people don't even know that it was once a controlled substance. I'll see if I can dig up the literature, but it's most definately buried, as it is probably a few decades old.

SOURCE: http://www.thatspoppycock.com/opiates/loperamide.htm
 
Two things that can help quite a lot in dealing with withdrawal, although they both have their setbacks (doesn't everything?)

1. Alcohol - At least for me, getting drunk doesn't exactly eliminate the withdrawal, but it makes it more bearable by allowing me to ignore it for the time being, and sometimes helps to warm the "deep freeze" feeling inside you. It also can help a lot with getting a few hours of sleep, but be warned, it has it's downsides. Besides the fact that it's an addictive substance, which means you could trade one addiction for another, when drinking during withdrawal you may feel even shittier the next morning. What I do is get drunk, but not overly drunk, and make sure to drink plenty of water before bed (I always do this when I drink, AT LEAST twice as much water as alcohol I drank) so you don't wake up with a hangover. It's a little tough getting the alcohol to go/stay down when your stomach is upset, but after 15 minutes or so it should be settled (I suggest hard alcohol, as I can't imagine getting drunk off beer, with all that carbonation, would be very friendly on your stomach, but then again I never drink beer).

2. Masturbation - For one it's nice to finally be able to get off, and it gives ya a bit of a "rush" so to speak (maybe not an opioid rush, but it does feel good). Some people say it makes them feel good for a bit, but makes them feel even worse afterwards, but for me it helps a lot. When going through withdrawal, I can easily get off 5+ times in one day.

~CTdopeLove
 
i've heard that taking benadryl can help with insomnia and opioid w/d's and i've heard it can make it worse. whats the truth on this ?
 
Yeaa! I see this was added to the "useful links" section.

I still think the admin's should add this to the FAQ section though... :p

yea yea yea, i think the admin's don't like me anyways. ehhh, how i miss midget porn central...
 
It seems a decent resource ( he said grudgingly ;) ) I suppose a committee could be formed to discuss the possibility of moving it to your preferred destination. On a Monday tho ;)
 
hahaha..

i PM'd the admin's a while ago.. but to no avail.

Long time no see, you changed your name i see? Didn't know we could do that, is that new? Or is that just a special, mod feature? You little pampered, privledged yuppies!
 
Like a lap dog fed on fillet steak ~ it really isn't good enough is it ?
 
And yea, the forum i moderated... the old Health Q & A... the admin's just completely deleted it! Sheesh, you think they could've just demoted me instead of getting rid of my whole forum!! I guess its natural to fear those who threaten one's own intelligence... haaa :)
 
AlphaOdure said:
And yea, the forum i moderated... the old Health Q & A... the admin's just completely deleted it! Sheesh, you think they could've just demoted me instead of getting rid of my whole forum!! I guess its natural to fear those who threaten one's own intelligence... haaa :)

It was merged with healthy living, wasn't it?

I think your guide is great. I do worry that nobody looks at our 'useful links' section though, and there's too much stuff in there to sticky them all seperately....
 
Fentanyl is perscribed around here to oc and dilaudid addicts to get off.

The strong sustained release (me 150mcg/h) removes all cravings for 3 days solid per patch, its a miracle drug.
 
It was merged with healthy living, wasn't it?

I don't know, it may have been. I wasn't really around when it happened. I was just fucking around anyways.
 
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