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I?m visiting the GTA From nyc, I brought a couple buns w me but still ended up looking for more H cuz I obviously have impulse control issues and the amount I brought w me from NY ran out a few days early. Im surprised theres nothing on [snip] or [snip] like most other places I?ve visited. In NY Ive always had luck on [snip] in the NYC/BK/BX areas. Ive even had luck on [snip] when I visited Portugal, Iceland and Amsterdam. I was really surprised theres NOTHING here on [snip] or [snip].

Sooo I skimmed thru this thread and even checked some news articles related to the safe injection sites in the parks down town. Drove down and within seconds of walking up I was greeting by a older ?seasoned? looking woman. She asked what I wanted and then she asked if I wanted tar or powder, I was so surprised that I had luck instantly. (I hope I?m not being too specific and breaking any rules). The stuff I got was purple powder and over priced (she def middle maned me, the guy she got from was sitting a few feet away) but it def got the job done, no crazy pins and needles feeling but def got a good euphoric fuzzy feeling. Def has fent so I was also being conservative doing half s bag when I normally do 2 bags a time in NY. Im going to try and go back tomorrow and maybe try my luck w the tar.

Overall Im just happy I found something so quickly, I should have gotten a phone number but I was in a bit of rush to get myself situated. Maybe next time Ill try go in and give the safe injection program a try.
 
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traditional advice if you're looking to score is to go where there's going to be a lot of junkies, like NA or clinics, safe injection sites are the same. i'm surprised that police dont watch for transactions though; even if they're overlooking possession as they should be, it should still be clear that buying and selling shouldnt be done on location.

you should defo go in and use the safe injection sites though, its my understanding they have clean gear for people to use, and if you fall out they're right there to administer naloxone. they'll also be able to refer you to programs to help you get and stay clean when you're ready.
 
26 year old, Alberta born and raised, been battling with opiate addiction for 14 years now.

Tried all kinds of rehab, I paid 45k out of my own pocket to go to Top of The World in Fort Steele, British Columbia. That place is an absolute joke, never go there. The owner, Mark, is the most fake person on planet earth. The guy lives on the property and gets drunk with his sons regularly, I could literally hear them from the open window of the Detox cabin.

I have tried suboxone 4 times, I have tried a methadone program 6 separate times, I am really just waiting for the government to bring the permanent safe injection sites and the doctors that prescribe diacetylmorphine to Alberta so that I can live my life normally again.

I really hope this happens before I die.

Also, any other Albertans on this site that are suffering like me, please send me a PM. I have been speaking with doctors and pharmacists and they have told me to just start a petition to get things moving here. I really don't think the government understands how much money they are throwing down the drain by not just treating addicts like me.

Thanks guys
 
traditional advice if you're looking to score is to go where there's going to be a lot of junkies, like NA or clinics, safe injection sites are the same. i'm surprised that police dont watch for transactions though; even if they're overlooking possession as they should be, it should still be clear that buying and selling shouldnt be done on location.

you should defo go in and use the safe injection sites though, its my understanding they have clean gear for people to use, and if you fall out they're right there to administer naloxone. they'll also be able to refer you to programs to help you get and stay clean when you're ready.

Canada tends to have less draconian laws about drugs in general. So the police tend to go after bigger fish, instead of preying on the weak to get a better pension when they retire. Not that you won't have problems or get your self busted if you are looking for trouble.

I just hope more safe sites are coming soon. I have been clean since early May and have been doing very well. Back in the gym for the past 3 weeks and I am feeling much better. I do still have friends in the life and I would hope they are safe.
 
I would bet they are actually fentinal pressed to look like oxy. Had lots of those in Alberta. Killed a friend of mine too
its not very hard to tell the diffrence if you know what the real one's look like.I've yet to see a fake one that looks like a real one they are poorly pressed and you can tell by the writing and number.but your right its that. Chinese carfentanyl its about 10 times strongerthan the regular fentanyl.this stuff is even killing people with high tolerances
 
I couldn't even imagine needing a Suboxone or Methadone program in this province right now. I currently have to just live with chronic and debilitating pain because politics has ruined my relationship with my doctor. They are so scared of the backlash after the newest recommendations that they won't even see me for more than 5 minutes. I do not go doctor shopping, I always see my GP (or have been to the ER if my pain was too great and my doctor was closed for the day) and I did not abuse my prescriptions. Honestly, the treatment I've recieved in the last year is horrifying and with most doctors being spineless when it comes to the physicians college and advocating for their patients, I'm just left to wallow, not living much of a life at all.

Honestly, at this point, I'd have no compunctions about self medicating just to have some quality of life back, but the lack of an open air drug market and me not really knowing anyone in Canada leaves me empty handed there, too.

It's come to the point where suicide seems like a viable option, because the thought of being in pain that leaves me screaming in agony on my couch without any prospect of it getting better is just too much to bear. I even brought this up with a doctor at my GP'S practice and the response I got? He straight up turned into condescending Willy Wonka. "Well, what do you want me to say? No. Stop. Don't do that." I was dumbfounded. Hurt. And indignant.

My sympathies to anyone who actually needs to see a doctor for help getting off the shit, because if that's how I'm treated, with tangible pain, by doctors whom I've known for years and have seen my tests, I can't begin to imagine how they would treat someone who admittedly abused narcotics but wanted to get clean.

i am so sorry for your situation. i understand your struggles my father faced the same thing before he passed and i now have a opiate addiction and am on the methadone program for it. it might be a good idea to see a pain specialist or somthing of the sort? im in BC personally i was going to guess same for you but it sounds like you dont even have mmt there?? or maybe i misunderstood.

i hope you have more good days then not brother.

cheers.
 
Soo Much Frigging Fent right now !!! I'm like a magical Unicorn , that does exist..I fart real Oxies six times a day =D
 
If anyone in ontario/toronto needs to get onto suboxone or methadone then try a RAAM clinic. They have certain times they are open but it's a drop in service without needing an appointment. If you have a mental health emergency then try CAMH downtown by spadina as they can help a little bit.
 
I don't have to worry about things like this anymore (I'm at the pain clinic now, where I always belonged, APO-Oxycodone CR 60's every 12 hours, pain is at 2/10 most of the time, 5/10 at flare-ups, I won't be asking for anything else, I'm already lucky enough to be scripted generic oxycontin (well, OxyNeo), I won't push it and ask for 80's, I think I'd like to try opiate rotation though) here in QC. Unlike Ontario where any doctor who took the class can script you suboxone for a month, here it's like methadone, weekly supply max, at least it's available everywhere, when I wanted to stop shooting up hydromorph and checked in ORT, 90 days straight to go the closest pharmacy that had the orange juice + liquid methadone. If they weren't idiots, that wouldn't be a problem and just script us Metadol pills (those for pain), I saw the liquid bottles that they served me on my 11 months stint on 'done and it's Metadol brand too, just liquid, some 10mg/ml and some 1mg/ml. Metadol pills are 1,5,10 and 25mg. But I guess they're afraid we'll shoot em up. Just as I got in, they had phased out the 40mg pink Metadose pills for maintenance and from what I get, those were not possible to shoot up for some reason.

Ontarians got it good since 2011 when all docs who took the 4 hour class are now able to script suboxone for a month, they don't have Heroin ampoules as an option like in BC for people who have unacceptable side effects from 'done and suboxone (me). We got shafted by never gettng Subutex, as we were supposed to in 2005 but then Harper came in and had his Minister of Health scrap that, although she allowed generic oxycontins to be made by 8-9 generics companies lol, then they kicked her out, she was the token native cabinet member that Harper likely just took in for votes. But on the other hand, the ex-PM of Ontario who was really awful (the one who paid for 20 nuclear power plants to be built, then Fukushima happened and she scrapped it all but couldn't get the money back, so they built 2 anyways), she started the opioid hysteria in Canada, where pain patients are seen as junkies while science shows that people who get prescribed those long term for chronic pain or even short term for acute pain, she had Oxycontin disappear, but Oxy IR/Supeudol was still around, she didn't know they were the same thing basically). She blew a fuse when generic oxycontin was allowed by health canada. We got her to blame. I don't even know if Kratom is even legal here anymore. Dentists almost never script Empracets or low dose Dilaudid (1-2mg) for dental pain like they almost always did here, many are opiate-free dentists now even.

So glad to be off suboxone since 2 years in a month, taking a shit has never been easier.
 
anyone know what is going on with tylenol #1 shortages? the prices have tripled in some cases and even then many pharmacies don't even have it anymore.
I wonder how long this will last.
 
Hmm, so here is my theory. I think some of the manufacturers have discontinued otc codeine products in fears of the opiate pandemic and there is just to much demand to meet it with the limited supplier/production.

I don't think it will be available for long, I'm not sure which direction we are headed into for opiates. At times it seems things are becoming more liberal, while at others it feels as if things could be worse. I feel as if there needs to be a tradeoff for controlling to prevent unwanted abuse of medication but also allowing those who have addictions to have some leeway in allowing more recreational opiates to be used for substitution therapies, especially for much milder and stable addictions.
 
anyone know what is going on with tylenol #1 shortages? the prices have tripled in some cases and even then many pharmacies don't even have it anymore.
I wonder how long this will last.


When I first started methadone I tested positive for taking tylenol 1's. They couldn't do anything because they're legal but the doctor said they were trying to make them by prescription only.
 
They have now made prescription heroin for people that methadone isn't working for. Would love to get my hands on that.
Strict though, you have to go to the clinic 4 times a day and do it there.
I think it's only started in BC but legal across the country so will be at all clinics soon
 
They couldn't do anything because they're legal but the doctor said they were trying to make them by prescription only.
Yeah, the government made a big move towards that in 2017 but they never followed through with it.
I think it's only started in BC but legal across the country so will be at all clinics soon
It's been legal since 2016. The barrier isn't legality, it's the infrastructure, the cost and, most of all, the willingness of those with the power to prescribe. There's a big push for heroin maintenance in the drug policy reform community in Canada, but it's a quixotic push since the evidence is clear that injectable hydromorphone is indistinguishable from heroin even to long-term users. Hydromorphone is already an approved drug in Canada so it doesn't have to be imported via the Special Access Program at high cost, and it doesn't carry the stigma that heroin does, so it's a much easier sell to the public.
 
From what I've heard, heroin/hydromorphone treatment is generally only prescribed to people who have tried and failed several times to stabilize on methadone/buprenorphine. I think some doctors can even do oral SR morphine as a maintenance medication. But hydromorphone/heroin are "end of the line" medications.

It makes sense, with the half life of hydromorphone you HAVE to dose 3-4x a day or you're getting sick. Methadone or buprenorphine are decidedly better with their much longer half life and once-a-day dosing. I've heard from a friend of mine that a good amount of the people who are on the hydromorphone program have no life any more because they need to stop what they're doing 3 times a day and go to a pharmacist to get their meds. Many don't have reliable access to a car and need to go to specific pharmacies to get their meds, so that limits what they can do and where they can go. You can't ever hope to leave the city, even for the day.
 
Anyone else find it strange that people use tylenol #1 as the slang for 8mg codeine with acetaminophen when lenoltec has pretty much replaced it for a while now. Before a few companies sold it in ontario, now all I see is lenoltec No 1. I guess I should just call them Teva1s
 
It's a case of the brand name becoming a generic over time I think.

If you want to be real old school ask for some 222s. For whatever reason that's what the 8mg codeine / 15mg caffeine / 325 mg aspirin tablets (analogous to T1s) were called.

For whatever reason there is not an ibuprofen/caffeine/codeine tablet.
 
From what I've heard, heroin/hydromorphone treatment is generally only prescribed to people who have tried and failed several times to stabilize on methadone/buprenorphine. I think some doctors can even do oral SR morphine as a maintenance medication. But hydromorphone/heroin are "end of the line" medications.

It makes sense, with the half life of hydromorphone you HAVE to dose 3-4x a day or you're getting sick. Methadone or buprenorphine are decidedly better with their much longer half life and once-a-day dosing. I've heard from a friend of mine that a good amount of the people who are on the hydromorphone program have no life any more because they need to stop what they're doing 3 times a day and go to a pharmacist to get their meds. Many don't have reliable access to a car and need to go to specific pharmacies to get their meds, so that limits what they can do and where they can go. You can't ever hope to leave the city, even for the day.

Wow, I didn't know they did that up here nowadays. I guess it's different per provinces. As for hydromorphone, the issue of having to dose multiple times is moot, we have Hydromorph Contins that go up to 30mg that are 12 hour gelcaps and we also have Jurnistas, that go up to 64mg...but I only saw them once, bringing my uncle his medication by stopping at his pharmacy to pick up his prescriptions. Jurnistas are 24 hour pills and impossible (or practically impossible) to abuse, they work like Concertas. Doctors don't seem to like them much either, HydromorphContins are way more common, people taking it legit for pain typically being on the 12mg orange ones, at least. Dosages under that are for kids with cancer, I mean, 3mg and 4.5mg HM Contins... but it's quite something when you don't want to mess up your nose or veins to eat a HM Contin 30mg, it's pretty damn mood brightening, not as much as oxycodone, but it's nice, although there is no HM rush, which is the only reason to spend money on the black market on HM, unless you can get ridiculously cheap Dillies or HM Contins, not at normal prices, at prices of the kind that your friend sells it to you "after cleaning up my grandfather's stuff after he died, ever heard of this hydromorphcontins? sounds like morphine?" People who don't care about opiates are gold in those moments when you're an addict. I know, I've been there, gotta go see the pain specialist every month though, but its worth it, life has never been more stable.
 
When I first started methadone I tested positive for taking tylenol 1's. They couldn't do anything because they're legal but the doctor said they were trying to make them by prescription only.
They're able to detect codeine or other opioids by themselves where you're at? Because here they don't, once I took a Fiorinal with Codeine C 1/2 (30mg) 4 days before an appointment when they were still making me give them piss samples, that's over now, once a year is the protocol for people like me at the Pain Clinic. I told them the truth, I had a real bad headache, an old bottle of Fiorinal with Codeine that were useless to me when I was slamming 32-58mg of HM a day, one ibuprofen left, so I took a couple fiorinals when the ibu wasn't enough. They understood I wasn't chasing a high from 60mg of codeine after testing positive but my doc said "well, y'know, I trust you, but we don't get to see what opiate you've taken". Thankfully he knew I was seeing a neurologist and had taken Topamax, Lyrica, Relpax and Fiorinal w/ Codeine for a long time before I showed up for my methadone induction way back in fall of '12.
 
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