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Theoretically you should be able to snort suboxone without worrying about the naloxone because its going into your body in the same manner. By dissolving the tablet as directed the drug is being absorbed through the thin membranes and capilaries underneath you tounge and then into the bloodstream. This method obviously does not release the naloxone. It works doesnt it.
If you were to snort the suboxone, then drugs are being absorbed through the muceous membranes in your nose. Same Idea. There is alot less surface area for dissolving in a dry nose than a wet mouth. so in theory it is the same way of absorbtion, through a cellular membrane. I think it would actually take longer to feel the effects of snorting the suboxone because it has more powder to dissolve in less surface area. Also slowed by powder cloggin together if not ground up fine enough. Common sense wise......its not worth the work. Plus is tastes better than pink methadone. (Disgusting)
As far as the naloxone goes, it is only active if put directly into a muscle or directly into the bloodstream. So if that makes sense, as long as your not using a needle to inject the suboxone you can A
shove it up your ass (very thin membranes down there could be exciting) j/k. B Snort the pill which could be nasty with all the clogging, or maybe not. And C simply let the fucker dissolve under your tounge as directed.
If you read all the official readings from suboxone.com or credible sources they all state that the naloxone is added to prevent intreveinous misuse. I have yet to see any reliable sight include snorting exclusivly as a reason for the addition nalaxone.
It is getting in your system pretty quickly the prescribed way as it is. Its effects can be felt in 20 min, pretty close time wise to snorting a short acting opiate ie..oxy, roxi. As opposed to taking those same short acting opiates orally and waiting the hour +/- 15 min. It is getting in the bloodstream much quicker, almost as quick as intranasally.
My guess is that more people don't snort it because if not broken up fine enough, it gets clogged, and some might fall back out. Again, just seems like it's not worth it. With the citric acid used in the flavoring I bet that could sting a little bit too. Finally there is less or at least no more surface area in the nose to be dissolved than there is through nose. So unless you have a hoover for a nose and chop up your pills using your blender, then the fastest and easiest way to get the buprenorphrine in your system is take it how your supposed to. I have heard subutex, with less total substance could be done intranasally. Not quite sure if it still would be that much better. Being an addict it sucks not being able to snort it though. Drug use is not just about taking drugs but the process or ritual you do to prepare the drugs each time. Its a whole lifestyle you have to change. Thats why quitting drugs can be SO FUCKING HARD.
I would love for anyone to respond if I am completly wrong about something. I hate posting false information, but with a basic understanding of chemistry and biology it seems what I have written should make sense.
Love to hear anyone's 2 cents. I am really to curious as to what other people might think about the reasons behind these too often asked about questions. I always trying to learn more.
One more thing. Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the mu receptor than naloxone does anyways. So if you were to get high as shit on subutex, or suboxone, a narcan challange would be completly inneffective. I know this somehow has something to do with inactivity of the nalaxone also. If the nalaxone was to get to the receptor first the bupe would not work, but that is not the case with suboxone, so injecting straight into the blood stream would be the only way the naloxone could possible get thieir beforehand. I know this for a fact because when I was using Oxy my dad (being a doctor) had access to unlimited vials of Narcan. This is how he would test me to see if I was using any drugs. It really sucked nuts. Well until I got my hands on some suboxone and took 16mg one night. I was high as shit, hardly keep my eyes open, it felt beautiful. My dad saw how obviously much "fun" I was having and decided it was narcan time. OH MY GOD I THOUGHT, NOT AGAIN. I told him I had been smoking some pot and thats why my eyes were red in hopes that he would pass on naloxone. Nope, he wen't and grabbed the vial, prepped the spot and jammed it right into my left shoulder. I.M really hurts like a son of a bitch...................but not so badly that time, because I was under the influence of painkillers of course. But the anxiety of super withdrawal is almost unbearable. It usually took about 3 min to start getting this dizzy, and for the yawning to start. When Narcan comes on, it comes on quick. OH MY GOD. But after 6 min I still hadn't felt anything, 14 min still nothing, and 20 min.....holy fucking shit I've somehow outsmarted my dad. I soon after found out why the narc challange didn't work. I had destroyed the most powerful, evil, terrifying weapon to any opiate addicts enemy. In this case good old Dr. Dad. It was beautiful. So if you ever think your going to have to take a narcan challange, make sure you take the bupe before hand, or it will be useless. I also found verification for this on a couple of websites if you don't believe me. Fuck Off Narcan SUPERBOXONE is here.
If you were to snort the suboxone, then drugs are being absorbed through the muceous membranes in your nose. Same Idea. There is alot less surface area for dissolving in a dry nose than a wet mouth. so in theory it is the same way of absorbtion, through a cellular membrane. I think it would actually take longer to feel the effects of snorting the suboxone because it has more powder to dissolve in less surface area. Also slowed by powder cloggin together if not ground up fine enough. Common sense wise......its not worth the work. Plus is tastes better than pink methadone. (Disgusting)
As far as the naloxone goes, it is only active if put directly into a muscle or directly into the bloodstream. So if that makes sense, as long as your not using a needle to inject the suboxone you can A
shove it up your ass (very thin membranes down there could be exciting) j/k. B Snort the pill which could be nasty with all the clogging, or maybe not. And C simply let the fucker dissolve under your tounge as directed.If you read all the official readings from suboxone.com or credible sources they all state that the naloxone is added to prevent intreveinous misuse. I have yet to see any reliable sight include snorting exclusivly as a reason for the addition nalaxone.
It is getting in your system pretty quickly the prescribed way as it is. Its effects can be felt in 20 min, pretty close time wise to snorting a short acting opiate ie..oxy, roxi. As opposed to taking those same short acting opiates orally and waiting the hour +/- 15 min. It is getting in the bloodstream much quicker, almost as quick as intranasally.
My guess is that more people don't snort it because if not broken up fine enough, it gets clogged, and some might fall back out. Again, just seems like it's not worth it. With the citric acid used in the flavoring I bet that could sting a little bit too. Finally there is less or at least no more surface area in the nose to be dissolved than there is through nose. So unless you have a hoover for a nose and chop up your pills using your blender, then the fastest and easiest way to get the buprenorphrine in your system is take it how your supposed to. I have heard subutex, with less total substance could be done intranasally. Not quite sure if it still would be that much better. Being an addict it sucks not being able to snort it though. Drug use is not just about taking drugs but the process or ritual you do to prepare the drugs each time. Its a whole lifestyle you have to change. Thats why quitting drugs can be SO FUCKING HARD.
I would love for anyone to respond if I am completly wrong about something. I hate posting false information, but with a basic understanding of chemistry and biology it seems what I have written should make sense.
Love to hear anyone's 2 cents. I am really to curious as to what other people might think about the reasons behind these too often asked about questions. I always trying to learn more.
One more thing. Buprenorphine has a higher affinity for the mu receptor than naloxone does anyways. So if you were to get high as shit on subutex, or suboxone, a narcan challange would be completly inneffective. I know this somehow has something to do with inactivity of the nalaxone also. If the nalaxone was to get to the receptor first the bupe would not work, but that is not the case with suboxone, so injecting straight into the blood stream would be the only way the naloxone could possible get thieir beforehand. I know this for a fact because when I was using Oxy my dad (being a doctor) had access to unlimited vials of Narcan. This is how he would test me to see if I was using any drugs. It really sucked nuts. Well until I got my hands on some suboxone and took 16mg one night. I was high as shit, hardly keep my eyes open, it felt beautiful. My dad saw how obviously much "fun" I was having and decided it was narcan time. OH MY GOD I THOUGHT, NOT AGAIN. I told him I had been smoking some pot and thats why my eyes were red in hopes that he would pass on naloxone. Nope, he wen't and grabbed the vial, prepped the spot and jammed it right into my left shoulder. I.M really hurts like a son of a bitch...................but not so badly that time, because I was under the influence of painkillers of course. But the anxiety of super withdrawal is almost unbearable. It usually took about 3 min to start getting this dizzy, and for the yawning to start. When Narcan comes on, it comes on quick. OH MY GOD. But after 6 min I still hadn't felt anything, 14 min still nothing, and 20 min.....holy fucking shit I've somehow outsmarted my dad. I soon after found out why the narc challange didn't work. I had destroyed the most powerful, evil, terrifying weapon to any opiate addicts enemy. In this case good old Dr. Dad. It was beautiful. So if you ever think your going to have to take a narcan challange, make sure you take the bupe before hand, or it will be useless. I also found verification for this on a couple of websites if you don't believe me. Fuck Off Narcan SUPERBOXONE is here.
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