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    I have some tablets that contain the following ingredients:

    Albumini tannas -- 200 mg / tablet
    Belladonnae extractum 1,4% -- 10 mg / tablet
    Bismuthi subsalicylas -- 400 mg / tablet
    Opium pulveratum 10% -- 10 mg / tablet

    Is there any way to extract Opium pulveratum 10% from these tablets? If not, how many tablets can I take that it won't cause my some nasty side effects from those another ingredients than Opium pulveratum 10%? What's a good dose for Opium pulveratum 10%? What kind of effects does it have? Thanks.
     

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    If I eat 30 tablets of those, I get 30 mg of 100% Opium pulveratum and 6 grams of Albumini tannas, 300 mg of Belladonnae extractum 1,4% and 12 grams of Bismuthi subsalicylas <- Is that kind of amount of those substances toxic or dangerous?

    Edit. That's why I would like to extract..
     

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    Dont think it would be the best idea. I am not sure what the danger levels are concerning Belladonna/Atropine, nor do I know much about the other additives.

    I do know that Opium pulveratum is active in the 30-100mg range. source. All that other stuff for 30mg of dried and powdered opium adjusted to contain 10% of anhydrous morphine

    I myself would wait for somebody that can give you more info on Atropine toxic levels as that is not something fun to play with. Personally I would toss um as I imagine an extraction is going to be a pain in the ass, unless the solubilities play in your favor but that rarely happens.
     

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    If you dont mind me asking, what are those tablets called? Also do you know what conditions they are supposed to be used for?
     

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    ^ i think they're used to treat tooth aches. OTC in Belgium

    EDIT: only the tincture is used for tooth aches.
    Last edited by -=navel=-; 03-01-2006 at 23:06.
     

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    The name is Tannopon(R). It's for diarrhea.
     

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    that sucks, i can get pure papaver pills .
     

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    Lucky you, but please tell me if the extraction is possible and if not, what effects there are going to be from those another ingredients?
     

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    gvd jatt0rt =p 
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    Middle finger
    quit stealing my med resources

    Quote Originally Posted by -=navel=-
    ^ i think they're used to treat tooth aches. OTC in Belgium

    EDIT: only the tincture is used for tooth aches.
    edit: the Belgian toothage tinctures contain chloral hydrate, these tablets have nothing to do with them anyway lol
     

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    you are like a shadow man. lol
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Survival0200
    If I eat 30 tablets of those, I get 30 mg of 100% Opium pulveratum and ...
    First of all, those numbers are fucked up. Second, I can't say exactly how or why, but if you took that many you would be in a real bad way.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by johanneschimpo
    First of all, those numbers are fucked up.
    Why? 30 * 10 mg Opium pulveratum 10% makes 30 mg of Opium pulveratum [100%]?

    Second, I can't say exactly how or why, but if you took that many you would be in a real bad way.
    Don't say then!
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Survival0200
    Why? 30 * 10 mg Opium pulveratum 10% makes 30 mg of Opium pulveratum [100%]?
    Can you just do this out because it's not making any sense.

    You're using the * to show that you're multiplying?
     

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    Yes. * for multiple.
     

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    Sorry dude, that math just doesn't work.
    For instance, why isnt it 10 mg of 300% opium pulveratum
    Or 60 mg of 50%?

    Bismuth subsalicyate is the active ingredient in pepto bismol. And belladonna is just plain nasty. I'm not a scientist so I won't (can't) tell you why.
     

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    Maybe I am way off, but aren't those percentages the standardized active ingredient percentage. My gingko-pills contain 120 mg gingko extract 24%. I.e. about 30 mg's of flavoglycosides.

    So the opium 10% would be 10% active alkaloid: morphine (which is the normal morph content of opium). And the belladonna extract contain 1,4 % alkaloids.

    So one pill would have:
    Albumini tannas ----------------- 200 mg
    Belladonnae extractum 1,4% -- 10 mg -- 0.14 mg atropine etc
    Bismuthi subsalicylas ---------- 400 mg -- 400 mg asperin
    Opium pulveratum 10% -------- 10 mg -- 1 mg mophine

    No way this is going to be recreational.
    Well, the atropines are very water soluble, the morphine is so-so soluble and the aspirin is hardly soluble. The film/book "Drugstore cowboy" has a method of getting the atropine from morphine tablets. The aspirin could be taken care of with a CWE.

    So maybe it can be done. But whatever don't eat more than a few on account of the aspirin and belladonna alkaloids.
     

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    What's that Albumini tannas, is it dangerous on high doses? What are it's effects?

    Is it allowed to give detailed extracting information here in Bluelight forums?
     

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    Good job aconite, but thats bismuth subsalicyate (pepto-bismol, kaopectate, etc), not aspirin. Probably just as horrible for your body anyway though.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Survival0200
    Yes. * for multiple.
    Yeah, I thought so, you didn't write it out though. I don't understand, why you need 30? Wouldn't you need 10?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl Landrover
    I don't understand, why you need 30?
    Because I was going to eat 30 tablets of that.
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by johanneschimpo
    Good job aconite, but thats bismuth subsalicyate (pepto-bismol, kaopectate, etc), not aspirin.
    Does CWE still work? And what's that albumini tannas again?
     

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    Atropine= don't even bother...seriously. Get some opes online, at the local grocer's mart, corner dealer ect.. if nescessary, otherwise wait on 'em because an anticholinergic trip ain't worth it.
     

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    Albumini tannas = Albumin tannate
    A protein salt of tannine, it is an old time anti-diarrhea medication. Very insoluble stuff. It will not survive a CWE.

    About the bismuth subsalicyate, you are right, asperin is acetylsalicilate. In all of these the the salicilate is the active part of the molecule. The bismuth and acetyl is to make ik less acid to protect the stomach lining. Anyway I tend to call all salicilates asperin.

    On the belladonna alkaloides: the PDR lists a standard dose of 30 mg of extract (1,4% ). That is three pills max.

    With some work 30 of these pills can be made into a nice glowy afternoon.

    Ps. Are these pills expensive?
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aconite
    With some work 30 of these pills can be made into a nice glowy afternoon.
    You said before; "No way this is going to be recreational" But maybe we can change our opinions if we tend to do so.

    Ps. Are these pills expensive?
    Nah, I wouldn't say so. They are 4,85 for 10 tablets.
     

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    Well yes, they are not going to be recreational as they are. You don't want to talk to lampposts and smoking cigarettes that are not there, on account of the atropanes.
    With some work, they can be recreational. Key word here is: some work. Pm me if you would like some direct instructions.

    That said: 10 pills for 4.85 euro, which is 10 mg of morphine is a bit steep. If we could work with 100% efficiency it would take 100 pills to make 1 gram of M with a cost of 45 euro's.
    Okay they are otc and that accounts to something, but if you have a hookup for street opiates (heroin, methadone) you are better off getting your dope on the streets.
    If on the other hand ones hook up just left town and, well, one would need some, these pills might be a good option.

    By the way, how is the otc codeine scene in Belgium? Belgium is not too far....
     

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