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    This is an official statement made by the promoters of the party in reference to whether it was illegal or not.

    in Section 13-4-2-1:


    Required.

    No person shall permit, maintain, promote, conduct,
    advertise, act as entrepreneur, undertake, organize,
    manage, or sell or give tickets to an actual or
    reasonably anticipated assembly of two hundred fifty
    (250) or more people which continues or can
    reasonably be expected to continue for twelve (12) or
    more consecutive hours, whether on public or private
    property unless a license to hold the assembly has
    first been issued by the County Commissioners. (Ord.
    No. 1971-4, Section 2, 7-7-71) (emphasis added)



    It states that if the party was to exceed 250 people OR go over 12 consecutive hours we would have needed to clear it with the county commissioner.


    The FACT is, that although the party was to exceed 250 people, it was NOT to go over 12 hours. This is evidenced by the DJ’s time slots, and the agreement between Performance Audio and Brandon Fullmer. The permit was granted, and then seized by the Utah County police, clearly stated across the top “Utah County Health Department Mass Gathering Permit.”
     

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    Merged thread from NASocial and re-bounced across some forums - ought to keep this to a single thread disucssion.
     

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    Fox 13 has some of the ugliest looking news anchors I've ever seen. Disgraceful about the whole rave bust business though. Peace.
     

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    The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.
    yeap, im gonna start bringing my full video digi-cam to parties from now on.

    this is really shocking, im glad theres some evidence out there too. its really really sad, the direction this country is going. this nationalist/imperialist/facist regime needs to end, very soon, or the american dream will.

    i checked the front page of CNN.com jsut now, and its some douche apologizing for making an un politically correct comment about some other douche. this article, in this forum, is not on the front page of cnn.com. why is that? to me, this is national news, something every american should be quaking in their boots about.



    GRRR! WE HAVE GUNS! WE HAVE POWER! NOW WE KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO HAVE A DICK BETWEEN OUR LEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     

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    Alright the video really pissed me off. What the fuck is wrong with people? I am going to kill the next person having harmless fun I see.

    The local ABC station reported they ran into a kid who ODed on Molly. What a load of bullshit. People try to trivialize events like this (the bust; not the rave) as not that big of a deal because, "It's just cracking down on SOME people having fun. So it bummed their roll… whats the big deal?" I feel, however, that's the most important part. That gathering was so incredibly harmless and didn't offer a threat to any thinking rationally. All people effected by this will receive some love in the mail tomorrow from PL. Peace.

    P.S.- It's a lot like the Nazi's practicing their strategies and skills in Spain before they tried on the larger scale. Not REALLY serious I just wanted to be the first to make a Nazi reference AND bring up a conspiracy/big brother theory.
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    i have no idea what happened, but i downloaded it, and 2 seconds later it dissapeared completely off my computer, no trace of it. i tried downloading it again, but it wont come up, and the sites wont load/bandwith exeeded/account deleted. whats up with this?
     

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    Wow do i love our government

    and most people dont even know what we did to south america never mind our own country...
     

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    What a terrible horrible no good very bad day that would have been. Maybe I'll move to Australia. <-- Children's Book Reference
     

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    Oh wow, thats just fucking horrendous, I mean a SWAT team, I'll be honest I could only stomach one video, looking at shit like that just turns me towards hate which we can all do without.
     

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    By the way until the drug community gets itself organized in a serious manner shit like this will happen for ever in my eyes.
     

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    This is fucked up plain and simple. They just wanted to write some tickets and their fucking egos went wild. I cant believe how outrageous and outright breaking the law went down. I mean they are no better than any drug dealer "Scum" and should be locked up in little cages for how brainwashed and they're "im a cop i am god" thought process. FUCK THEM, in january when I was raided without a warrant and had a gun drawn, and another officer threw me down and placed his foot on my neck. Imagine this though, I stood there with my hands up as they use a key and a tool to take off the chain lock w/ out a warrant.

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    I've heard of several sites having trouble keeping the video up and available. If you're still looking for it, try torrent sites.
     

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    You guys insult Utah alot...but have you ever been there?

    I am in Utah for the first time, have toured quite a bit here, and spent most of my time, and currently am in, SLC. Sure, Mormonism is a little weird. But god damn, you should see the city here! SLC is NOTHING like anything out there! I don't believe in god personally, but if anything would, it would be just simply walking down the street here.

    There is not a single piece of litter down the street. I mean nothing. Nothing on the street, nothing in the gutter, nothing in the curb corners, not even anything under the bushes. Not even cigarette butts. This may sound like nothing, yea who cares right? But it is simply unbelievable. You have to see SLC to believe it. It is spotless. Crime is extremely low. Everything looks nice. It is simply "God's City".

    I am saying this in defense of Utah. Sure, it's a little werid. Mormon is fucking nuts. But you should just see the city they built. The only crime I saw here was some guy getting beat up by a mob because he didn't pick up a tissue he threw at a trash can and missed.

    Kidding about the last part! But it is just amazing here.

    I know this was an event of brutality. But look at it this way. What happens when the cops get a warrant to raid a drug house? You guys don't find much error their besides the prevailing illegality of the drug in question. This raid on the rave is the same case. It was treated as a "drug house" and was consequently raided. You guys can't tell me that the cops had a reasonable doubt of drugs being there. And, when there's drugs, there's guns. Simple.

    Sorry for drugs being illegal, tough luck. Blame the liberals for making those laws back in the day. But you guys shouldn't just start making out the ass comments about LDSers and Utah.
     

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    the stuff that goes on in our "free" country amazes me. even with all of the propper premits and everything... makes me scared to go out to events.
     

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    Originally posted by TheLoveBandit
    I've heard of several sites having trouble keeping the video up and available. If you're still looking for it, try torrent sites.


    i have also noticed this what is up with that they cant really hope to sweep this completely under the carpet or can they ?

    fuck yes they can they will go to court and be found not guilty of brutality even though we have seen the video that shows that way more force than was necessary to" protect people" was used

    welcome to america land of the free
     

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    I just called and left 2 messages on the police dept's answering machine. What a suprise , I couldn't get thru to anybody! I urge everyone to leave a message on the answering machine, the least I can do is piss them off.
     

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    I lived in utah for 18 years. In a lot of ways it is an amazing state, but in instances like this, it is one of the worst. The one mindedness of 70% of the population is completely unreal; every public highschool in the state lets the students take one period off per day to walk across the street to study mormonism in "semenary". The school board even reduced the science requirement so that students could fit it into their scheduals (when they stoped counting it as credit).

    I considered sending letters to public officials and news outlets..after reading a couple of the local news reports and considering the nature of the public officials, I decided to not waste my time.

    Our only hope (in this instance) is to make them listen with a slew of damaging lawsuites.
    peas
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    I've never contributed an article before, but here goes. I am currently on vacation in Utah, and I am very close to where this happened. It is a big issue in the papers. Just not as big as when the president came by, or the brother with a sword getting shot by his brother, or the sewage system flooding 19 houses because someone put a dog in the sewer...but hey, it still makes news. So on with the story.

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    Source: The Salt Lake Tribute: UTAH page B2 (#1 local paper)
    Author: Connie Coyne (Reader Advocate...whatever that means)

    http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_2978214

    Edit; link added - Skyline

    Rave raid coverage shows incremental story development

    A story in Monday's Tribune about a police raid in Utah County on a rave party drew more than 200 e-mails and phone calls from people angry over the report.

    One male reader sent the following e-mail, which was typical of much of the reader response:
    " I sent an e-mail to the reporter who wrote the story about the paramilitary-style invasion of the dance party a couple of days ago, and cc'd you. I have not received a response from anyone at the paper, nor have I seen a correction in the paper regarding the story. As I stated in my original e-mail, the lead was inaccurate in stating as fact that the rave was illegal. My understanding is that it was established at the time the story was written that there were illegal activities going on at the rave, but that whether the rave itself was illegal (i.e. had the correct permits) was beign disputed.
    " The writer appears to have passed off police allegations as fact, instead of following a basic rule of journalism, which is to note that something is an allegation when it is just that."

    Probably the opening paragraph of the Monday story should have read:
    "About 60 people were arrested Saturday night when police officers busted what they said was an illegal rave in Spanish Fork Canyon."

    Police in Utah County still maintain they believe the rave was illegal because, although the promoter had a mass gathering permit from the Utah County Health Department, he did not have a mass gathering permit from the county that requires a bond and the approval of the County Commission.

    Now let's get to the "about the paramilitary-style invasion of the dance party" section of the e-mail. Police departments are paramilitary organizations - especially a special weapons and tactics (SWAT) unit. Any police raid on a large gathering of people is going to resemble to a certain extent a military raid.

    Finally, let's talk about putting together a story - on a Sunday - about a police raid that occurred late Saturday night. Unless one has a tape of the raid - which several of the local TV stations and The Tribune ultimately obatined - there is only one source to rely on for initial reports: the paperwork filed by the law enforcement officers who made the raid. That is the source used by reported Michael Westley for the first story that appeared on Monday.

    Both Brent Israelsen and Sheila McCann, the editors who supervise the cops and courts news desk, concur that digging up such information on a Sunday often is a tall order. Neither of them felt the Monday story warranted a correction.

    Executive Editor Tom Baden agreed, but he stressed that readers critical of the story had raised an important point: It's the responsibility of The Tribune, or any newspaper, to vigorously check information from the police - no matter when an incident occurs.

    On Tuesday, The Tribune did just that, publishing a follow-up story in which several people who attended the rave said that police used excessive force in the raid.

    Partygoers interviewed for the Tuesday story said that officers beat people to the ground, used weapons to intimidate the crowd and used excessive profanity in ordering the crowd to leave. All of those allegations were denied in the Tuesday story by one of the officers at the raid who reviewed amateur videotapes of the raid.

    Teens as young as 16 were arrested during the raid, according to police.

    The bottom line to all of this discussion is this: Many news stories are incremental and develop over a number of days as reporters have better access to information and to more sources of comment. The difference between the Monday and Tuesday stories illustrates the incremental nature.

    The Tribune will continue to cover news on weekends to the best of reporters' and editors' abilities. If initial stories on Sundays or mondays require follow-up stories with more information and nuance, then those stories will also be gathered.

    This Week's Stats

    200 Complaints about "rave raid" story.
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    Now my comment (I didn't want to mix up article and personal comment). The police seemed to have raided this rave because it was illegal, as mentioned in italics. Is sending a full force SWAT team just because a mass gathering doesn't have the right permit a bit excessive? Perhaps. But you can't tell me that the cops had a reasonable doubt that drugs would be there. And cops take the position "where there are drugs, there are guns" which holds true, especially to dealers (if you are a dealer and say I'm wrong....stop).

    Think of this as a large scale drug bust, with the permit being the legal gateway for the cops to execute this. Not much to complain now is there... And as for excessive force, yes, you may say "well cops will always say they aren't forceful". Well, people who hate cops or rubbed the wrong way, are obviously going to tilt toward a bad side of cops. Even you guys who say "cops are always brutal!" are living proof of such slander.

    I'm not saying force didn't happen. But it was justified. These cops are on the lookout for dealers with guns, and you scraping your knee is the last thing they care about.

    Oh, and there were a few other "This Week's Stats". That was the only one that pertained to this article though.
     

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    Correction people. This rave WAS illegal. I posted an article updating the subject from a newspaper you must be familiar with Jimmy the Gun, the Salt Lake Tribune.
     

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    Did they really need a swat team and the national guard with fucking ASSAULT RIFLES to break it up?!? Doesnt a raid like that take more than short notice to set up? Looks like they were planning that for days. Could of just asked the promoter? That was some soviet style shit there
     

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    Yes. Drugs and Guns come hand in hand. Better safe than sorry.
     

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    If you guys go to http://www.UTRave.org/ they have links to the videos and stuff, and they won't be down.
     

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    Originally posted by CreativeRandom
    Yes. Drugs and Guns come hand in hand. Better safe than sorry.
    Yeah, I've never been in a cuddlepuddle where I didn't feel cold steel on most of the participants

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    that has to be the most fucced up thing i've ever seen! that was completely uncalled for and utterly unnecessary.
     

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