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    It seems that after a weekend of meth my muscles deteriorate so rapidly its almost scary. I have been on creatine for about 2 weeks and have gotten some really incredible gains but after last tweakend it seemed i had lost all I had worked for. Could this be just water loss or strain cause they also feel incredibly weak to the point where my forearms burn just from typing this. Id like answers not theory cause its eating me away physically and mentaly.
     

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    Meth itself raises cortisol over the roof, and all of the things associated with meth like not eating or sleeping just add to it. To gain any good muscle you have to stop the meth, or keep it to once a month at the most.
     

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    Not to mention the damage being done to your dopamine receptors. Studies have shown that meth use permanently effects the ability of the user to feel pleasure as well as decreased cognitive function and motor skills. Some of these abilties can come back if meth is discontinued as the brain repairs itself. But not always. These studies, unlike the flawed ones involving MDMA, are well documented. And remember that even the MDMA studies that reported Ecstacy to leave you brain looking like Swiss chess were actully conducted with methamphetamine.
     

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    any other drugs known to interfere with building muscles?
    damn i hate hearing this now and wondering why its suddenly become alot harder to engage in such tasks as spelling words correctly or playing dance dance revolution, fuck shit fuck and being an avid user of everything from crack to smack to 2c-e, what other nasty effects can i expect somebody scare me straight
     

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    Your playing with your bodies chemistry. Just because you might not feel any negative effects physically doesn't mean nothing harmful is happening inside your body that your not aware of.

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    There's also quite compelling evidence which has led to speculation that frequent and/or high dose meth use can lead to an increased risk of Parkinson's disease later in life. Had I known all this in my young(er) and (more) foolish days, I seriously would have rethought trying it for the first time...
     

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    Meth is great for fat cutting. It is an extremely strong beta-2 alpha-adrenergic receptor agonist.

    It therefore has the potential to preserve LBM and ramp up lypolysis during times of a high energy defecit.
     

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    I highly doubt meth is a beta 2 agonist.
     

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    someone once told me meth speeds up the bodys breaking down of fat into muscle. He says he stacked it with steroids.
     

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    What a fucking genius. Muscle and fat are formed by totally different cells and can not "turn in to each other." Not saying you are stupid, just him.
     

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    Originally posted by ForTheRush
    someone once told me meth speeds up the bodys breaking down of fat into muscle. He says he stacked it with steroids.

    Even if this were true I would consider it to be a terrible combo.

    You need lots of rest and food if you're tearing your muscles up while on gear. Meth is not conducive to either of these as it's notorious for keeping one awake and producing anorexia.

    Sounds like a great stack for psychosis.
     

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    Originally posted by ForTheRush
    someone once told me meth speeds up the bodys breaking down of fat into muscle. He says he stacked it with steroids.
    bodybuilding wise, meth breaks down fat and muscle so you can look like an A&F twig. meth is catabolic, neurotoxic, suppresses appetite, and gets you no sleep. how da hell do you build muscle on meth?
     

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    Originally posted by 5alphareductase
    I highly doubt meth is a beta 2 agonist.
    I know for a fact that both meth and coke are potent bet 2 agonists. Do a google search.
     

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    belive it or not im pretty fuckin ripped i can post a pic if you dont belive me so somethin seems to be happening just not as fast as it could be, also i recently had a shoulder seperation and neglected surgery cause it was 50-50 i don't need it and i do so i went with the 50 percent of doctors saying i didnt need it and im starting to think i made the wrong choice cause its seriously messing my bench to the point where there will be these little puny kids that i know im way stronger than benching what i bench, gets me aggravated.
     

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    and things such as the pec fly and the lat pulldown i cant even attempt. i guesse its good that im up from not even being able to move my arm but i got a ways to go and i dunno if il lever be 100 percent . So many things working against me and my body building hobby i picked up about 2 years ago.
     

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    Originally posted by ForTheRush
    belive it or not im pretty fuckin ripped i can post a pic if you dont belive me so somethin seems to be happening just not as fast as it could be, also i recently had a shoulder seperation and neglected surgery cause it was 50-50 i don't need it and i do so i went with the 50 percent of doctors saying i didnt need it and im starting to think i made the wrong choice cause its seriously messing my bench to the point where there will be these little puny kids that i know im way stronger than benching what i bench, gets me aggravated.
    How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
     

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    I think meth and muscle building is very interesting. I htink the main problems associated with building muscle and meth use is the lifestyle accompanied by the meth use. I would imagine meth would have a similar effect to ephadrine and caffeine if used in low doses. Im sure it would give some kind of strength gains if you used it as a preworkout booster.
     

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    From what I gather about methamphetamine, it would only be effective for fatloss.

    It would be similar to taking massive doses of ephedrine (although more effective with fewer side-effects). Per 'unit high', it is well known that meth has fewer side effects than ephedrine. This is why ephedrine is so dangerous when abused.

    The way to control your use of meth is to use doses so low there is little to no euphoria. Personally, I believe that using GHB in conjunction with meth will reduce the potential for you to give in to any urges to binge on meth.

    If anyone wants FACTUAL EVIDENCE for the massive increase in lypolysis resulting from meth use, do a google search; it is well-documented.

    I bet you a large proportion of the pros use speed.
     

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    this thread should be closed due to stupidity. never, ever think about lifting or working out on meth. pro's don't use meth to get shredded. they use cutting roids, clen, t3, diet, cardio, etc. but never meth. please close this stupid azz thread before someone hurts themselves.
     

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    IF we have threads on other boards about people using adderall or desoxyn to lose weight, then we can have these. The fat loss effects of meth can not be ignored, but the danger is there. When compared to stuff like DNP though, how dangerous is it really, and who are we to say that it is, or is not, to dangerous to use.
     

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    Originally posted by 5alphareductase
    who are we to say that it is, or is not, to dangerous to use.
    if you only knew. But, the question should be who are YOU to say?

    if you are actually saying it's ok to use meth for bb purposes, i don't know what kinda mod you are here. it's a great recreational drug for it's intended uses one of which is not for bb purposes. if you are saying it's ok to use for fat loss, then fine. but don't make it sound like you should go lift and do cardio on meth. you should know better than that.
     

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    If you thought that I was recommending everyone use meth to lose weight, then we got our lines crossed. I would never recommend meth to lose weight except in the most extreme circumstances, and even then surgery is probably the better option. Using meth and using bodybuilding as an excuse is just stupid really.
     

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    amphetimines might be recreational drugs but they can also be used to enhance performance. The doses used clinically are nowhere near party doses though.
     

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    Studies have shown that meth use permanently effects the ability of the user to feel pleasure as well as decreased cognitive function and motor skills.

    thats a correlation, not a cause.

    on topic: all i know is meth can make people very, very skinny. so can not eating. funny how it all relates..well not funny..or funny? i'm not sure
     

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    I'm sorry but the pro's do use speed for cutting fat. There is a difference between the use of this drug as a fat loss aid and the use of it as a recreational drug.

    The evidence for it's effect on lypolysis and it's use as a beta-2 adregergic agonist is there.

    People use DNP. It's effective. It's also dangerous, yet talking about it isn't shunned in the same way as speed...
     

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