Measuring the Concentration of GHB
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I guess you could take 5ml of liquid, boil it off and weigh the crystals afterwards... But I'm sceptical about how accurate that'd be, and it wouldn't work for 1,4-B or GBL. Now that I've said that, I'm not 100% sure it'd work for GHB (my knowledge of chemistry is rather preliminary, and we don't learn much about drugs at such a low level). phase_dancer old boy? :D
What a lot of people do to test the concentration of their gear is take 1-2ml to start off with, then wait 1.5-2 hours to see what happens. If they don't reach the desired effects, they take another dose 1ml higher than their last, wait 1.5-2 hours... And you get the idea.
If you've got 1,4-B, watch out because it doesn't mix entirely with water, and tends to sink to the bottom of the bottle if left to sit for a while. So when you're testing for concentration, you might find that the stuff at the top of the bottle is quite weak and assume the whole batch is... But as you near the bottom of the bottle, it will get stonger and stronger. So it's a good idea to give it a shake before you do anything with it.
What a lot of people do to test the concentration of their gear is take 1-2ml to start off with, then wait 1.5-2 hours to see what happens. If they don't reach the desired effects, they take another dose 1ml higher than their last, wait 1.5-2 hours... And you get the idea.
If you've got 1,4-B, watch out because it doesn't mix entirely with water, and tends to sink to the bottom of the bottle if left to sit for a while. So when you're testing for concentration, you might find that the stuff at the top of the bottle is quite weak and assume the whole batch is... But as you near the bottom of the bottle, it will get stonger and stronger. So it's a good idea to give it a shake before you do anything with it.
I don't think it would work for GHB appollo. GHB powder sucks water out of the air (not sure on the term for this) and I think it would be very hard to boil it down once its been mixed in water. I know you have to keep it in an air tight bag and even then its very hard to keep parts from going clumpy.
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If you have GHB liquid (it must be GHB), you can turn that into a powder. You would more likely have 1,4b however, and this is not possible with that substance. If it has a high viscosity then you are more likely to have a more concentrated product.
Steam Distillation (The purification step)
10) Put a thermometer in the solution capable of measuring 200C and crank the heat up on the solution. You may want to add a boiling stone made from a clean piece of pea gravel to the solution (don't use a boiling stick because you will burn it up, and don't use a chemical boiling stone because they contain metals that are not supposed to go into humans).
11) When the solution gets up to 150-155C, cut the heat back enough to hold the temperature steady at 150-155C. Hold it at that temperature until all bubbling stops. The beaker now contains melted NaGHB.
12a) To make a liquid, add enough boiling water to make the dilution
you want.
Example: You want 1 gram NaGHB per 5 ml of solution. 200 mls of GBL will make 329 grams NaGHB. 329 * 5 ml = 1645 mls of solution. So add enough boiling water to bring the entire solution up to 1650 mls.
12b) To make powder, pour out thin strips of the NaGHB melt into the pyrex casserole dish. Return the melt to the low heat to keep it melted. Let the strips cool - they will begin to curl up if the strips are about 1/2" to 1" in width. Scrape them up with a metal spatula and put them into a sealed tupperware container. Pour out more strips and repeat the procedure until you have used up all of the melt.
13) Let the strips in the tupperware container cool down and shake them around a bit (while holding the lid tighly on). This will break up the strips.
14) Put the boken up NaGHB pieces into a blender (no more than 1/3 full)at high speed. You may have to shake the blender around a bit to make sure everything is ground into powder. Pour the powder into a sealed tupperware container.
15) You are done. Enjoy, and please don't do G and drive.
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Steam Distillation (The purification step)
10) Put a thermometer in the solution capable of measuring 200C and crank the heat up on the solution. You may want to add a boiling stone made from a clean piece of pea gravel to the solution (don't use a boiling stick because you will burn it up, and don't use a chemical boiling stone because they contain metals that are not supposed to go into humans).
11) When the solution gets up to 150-155C, cut the heat back enough to hold the temperature steady at 150-155C. Hold it at that temperature until all bubbling stops. The beaker now contains melted NaGHB.
12a) To make a liquid, add enough boiling water to make the dilution
you want.
Example: You want 1 gram NaGHB per 5 ml of solution. 200 mls of GBL will make 329 grams NaGHB. 329 * 5 ml = 1645 mls of solution. So add enough boiling water to bring the entire solution up to 1650 mls.
12b) To make powder, pour out thin strips of the NaGHB melt into the pyrex casserole dish. Return the melt to the low heat to keep it melted. Let the strips cool - they will begin to curl up if the strips are about 1/2" to 1" in width. Scrape them up with a metal spatula and put them into a sealed tupperware container. Pour out more strips and repeat the procedure until you have used up all of the melt.
13) Let the strips in the tupperware container cool down and shake them around a bit (while holding the lid tighly on). This will break up the strips.
14) Put the boken up NaGHB pieces into a blender (no more than 1/3 full)at high speed. You may have to shake the blender around a bit to make sure everything is ground into powder. Pour the powder into a sealed tupperware container.
15) You are done. Enjoy, and please don't do G and drive.
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Gfresh, I think the term you're looking for is agroscopic
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Wazza- you beat me too it
I think the term is deliquescent or hygroscopic, although agroscopic is probably also fitting. Semantics in this area is somewhat confusing, as all three terms sort of mean the same thing. But then again, some people distinctly define each differently![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Cowboy Mac, good link. I wasn't aware that boiling stones (chips) used in the lab were considered unfit fit for using in production of human intended substances 8( I'm sure those I used last week - to synthesize pretty coloured metal complexes- were made by Merck. I do remember noting a comprehensive label, but I never looked that closely. I'll get back on this one
Makes one wonder how much E is made using less than optimal boiling stones. Big batches would of course be expected to use more, but then again, risks from other substance contamination could also be thought to be far more likely. Mercury is the main one here, particularly if the MDMA is made in smaller batches where mercury-aluminium amalgam is frequently employed to reduce the imine to an amine. While good lab technique would be expected to rid most of the mercury, if there's only unclean glassware around when something is needed in a hurry, contamination could easily occur. Perhaps we need a few heavy metals kits as part of a comprehensive reagent testing procedure.
Apollo, even if the steam distill-purification step is skipped, weighing the dry, non-purified crystals would help make the dosage more accurate (should be done on a 0.01 res or better balance) However, due to it's simplicity (no specialized drug making equipment) the purification step should also be included if one is serious about their health.
If GHB powder ever becomes wet, it can easily be dried in a desiccator. A simple one can be made with a good sealing glass casserole dish and lid. Smear some vaseline around the seal - first make sure you'll be able to slide the lid off afterwards - and 1/4 fill with colour changed silica gel (preheated in an oven till it's blue). Then place in the wet GHB crystal in a small open pyrex glass or beaker, and sit in the middle of the silica. Carefully put on the lid and pop in a SLIGHTLY WARM - but more imortantly dry- oven for 10-20 minutes. It's best if you can first leave in the silica to absorb any moisture within the dish before putting in the GHB or other wet crystal. To be absolutley safe -in case oven temp is too much above room temp- leave a small gap when closing the lid.
The U-beaut models have the silica on mesh tray, and it can't spill into the upper areas where the soggy crystals go. These also have a vacuum connection for even faster results at lower temps. Better again is a vacuum oven. This can take a sludge and overnight turn it to a powder. I know, one saved my lab prac last week
I think the term is deliquescent or hygroscopic, although agroscopic is probably also fitting. Semantics in this area is somewhat confusing, as all three terms sort of mean the same thing. But then again, some people distinctly define each differently
Cowboy Mac, good link. I wasn't aware that boiling stones (chips) used in the lab were considered unfit fit for using in production of human intended substances 8( I'm sure those I used last week - to synthesize pretty coloured metal complexes- were made by Merck. I do remember noting a comprehensive label, but I never looked that closely. I'll get back on this one
Makes one wonder how much E is made using less than optimal boiling stones. Big batches would of course be expected to use more, but then again, risks from other substance contamination could also be thought to be far more likely. Mercury is the main one here, particularly if the MDMA is made in smaller batches where mercury-aluminium amalgam is frequently employed to reduce the imine to an amine. While good lab technique would be expected to rid most of the mercury, if there's only unclean glassware around when something is needed in a hurry, contamination could easily occur. Perhaps we need a few heavy metals kits as part of a comprehensive reagent testing procedure.
Apollo, even if the steam distill-purification step is skipped, weighing the dry, non-purified crystals would help make the dosage more accurate (should be done on a 0.01 res or better balance) However, due to it's simplicity (no specialized drug making equipment) the purification step should also be included if one is serious about their health.
If GHB powder ever becomes wet, it can easily be dried in a desiccator. A simple one can be made with a good sealing glass casserole dish and lid. Smear some vaseline around the seal - first make sure you'll be able to slide the lid off afterwards - and 1/4 fill with colour changed silica gel (preheated in an oven till it's blue). Then place in the wet GHB crystal in a small open pyrex glass or beaker, and sit in the middle of the silica. Carefully put on the lid and pop in a SLIGHTLY WARM - but more imortantly dry- oven for 10-20 minutes. It's best if you can first leave in the silica to absorb any moisture within the dish before putting in the GHB or other wet crystal. To be absolutley safe -in case oven temp is too much above room temp- leave a small gap when closing the lid.
The U-beaut models have the silica on mesh tray, and it can't spill into the upper areas where the soggy crystals go. These also have a vacuum connection for even faster results at lower temps. Better again is a vacuum oven. This can take a sludge and overnight turn it to a powder. I know, one saved my lab prac last week
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