Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy TMA Series Thread

[Transform]

I think the rarity and long duration are important and the lack of special qualities is a nail in the coffin. TMA-2 is supposed to be quite a good drug but it's really very uncommon.

 

[Sir Ron Pib]

It's interesting to see this thread - when I tried TMA-2 it was very rare indeed - despite it's length I was looking forward to TMA-6 since Shulgins quote that this "compound that might well bid fair to be one of the most rewarding and pleasurable of the methoxylated amphetamines" plus it has a new substitution pattern I'd not tried - unfortunately the law intervened at that point and there's no chance of me getting it now

And TMA is out there too - I always wondered if Shulgin was unfair to this compound and gave it a bad rap based on his first experience - very easy to do afterall - I guess people are very different as well

Anyhow I can speak of TMA-2; it wasn't the best material ever but I had some very good trips off it, certainly more depth, fun and interest than several of the 2C series but basically a different feel - the only other psychedelic amphetamine I've tried is DOM and it was better than that - a lot friendlier and less loaded/uncomfortable as well as shorter. Didn't generally get too much bodyload of it; certainly less than 2C-I & 2CT-7

 

[phenethylo J]

Been holding on to some tma-6 for a while and I'm thinking of possibly doing this in maybe 2-3 weeks. I only have 100mgs so I'll do 40mgs for my first dose and save the remaining 60mgs for another trip. I will try and write a trip report if I do.

 

[Voyager3]

It's quite hard to say really. I suppose I'm quite lucky to have tried both but there was nearly a year between the two experiences. This report details my TMA-6 experience

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...highlight=TMA6

Hmmmm... just realised this is ten years old know, but an excellent report Mik - thank you!

TMA-6 did appeal to me, from the PIHKAL entry... which has me glancing out the window at that apple tree... and next door's gigantic pear trees... licking my lips, all I ever viewed them as until now was a potential source of cider and wine? It now seems there might be a great deal more, and in addition to booze, not instead of! This greatly appeals to greedy, curious and reckless me, both from the anarchic 'two fingers' to authority, only hours before the election, and the thought of free booze for months...


Reading through Shulgin's notes, I'm surprised TMA-6 hasn't taken off bigtime in the UK.... or have I been moving in the wrong circles.... again, groan! The reports in this thread and elsewhere are somewhat 'mixed' I suppose, but rather appeal to me, esp. the mentions of amp like stimulant FX that I love, plus quite a few comparisons with MDMA. Any ideas anyone?

BTW, is there some general alternative 'description' for the word 'dirty' when applied to psychedelics? I'm new to this site, and seen it quite often - though it seems to mean slightly different things to different people. I initaily thought it meant nausea or bodily discomfort, but I'm not sure?

 

[Transform]

Reading through Shulgin's notes, I'm surprised TMA-6 hasn't taken off bigtime in the UK.... or have I been moving in the wrong circles.... again, groan! The reports in this thread and elsewhere are somewhat 'mixed' I suppose, but rather appeal to me, esp. the mentions of amp like stimulant FX that I love, plus quite a few comparisons with MDMA. Any ideas anyone?

It's illegal with a long duration and a propensity towards side effects. I personally found it quite bland in addition to this.

BTW, is there some general alternative 'description' for the word 'dirty' when applied to psychedelics? I'm new to this site, and seen it quite often - though it seems to mean slightly different things to different people. I initaily thought it meant nausea or bodily discomfort, but I'm not sure?

That's about right really, maybe also referring to some stimulation but you seem to have about got it from context.

 

[Voyager3]

Thanks for that Transform. Still getting used to some expressions common on Bluelight... getting old I suppose? No, never.... get old yes, grow up, never! In reality, living in the UK, not really mixing in 'druggie circles' much now, never fashionable or 'trendy', a bit conservative (with a very small 'c'!), utterly repulsed by things like 'texting' (eyes too bad, fingers too big and slow).... and, have to face it, a sad old git! Love this site even so... just need to read, learn and absorb I suppose? And ask if uncertain, with no fear of being laughed at - something I'm getting used to. Took me several years to realise 'LOL' meant 'laughs out loud', and not 'lots of love'.... a most unfortunate assumption!


Had to ask what 'tweaking' meant the other day, can you believe? Then realised that not only was I actually doing it at the time, have been doing it almost daily for over twenty years... and nobody ever told me! Oh well, never too late to learn...

 

[Solipsis]

Would anyone who tried either TMA-1, TMA-2 or TMA-6 like to share something about it?

TMA-1 sounds pretty strange to me, not all that worthwhile and emotionally destabilizing. TMA-2 is maybe better but still off, interesting though. TMA-6 I am not sure about but it sounds like it could be interesting like TMA-2.
I have these compounds and am considering TMA-6 but would like some guidance.

How friendly are these to the body? Can at least a special experience be gotten out of them? What does titration of the dose mean here, cause I don't have a lot to play with, for some of these three more freedom that others..

 

[yepyepwoah]

I have only tried TMA-6 a few times in 2012. I posted in this thread pretty much all my experiences with it. All plugged using the inferior chemical in small bit of toilet paper then insert in rectum method.

Honestly I can't recall much difference between my TMA-6 experiences and Escaline experiences over the past year. If I were to dose Tma-6 again it would be about the same as escaline. 50-70mg for a light trip (although 50 seems like you don't get as much psych but all the stim), or 70-100mg for a strong trip. I would only plug it myself. One time I ate escaline I had mad GI issues, never any from plugged. tma-6 or escaline.

"took 85mg TMA - 6 via RA, 20mg oral (redose), with ~35mg 2-fma at the end, and 25mg mxe at the tail end."

That is a quote from me. I remember this day. I remember taking the 2fma because all of a sudden in the dark woods about to drive home, I realized I was tripping harder than I thought. I figured I needed some 2fma to sober up and drive home.

The 2fma kicked in the trip to such a horny level it was insane. I took the wrong way going home (this was like 10 hours after first tma-6 dose). It ended up being like a 1.5 hour drive when it should have been an hour. I remember being almost home driving and jerking off to porn on my cell phone at the same time. It was like I couldn't control that shit at all. Tripping/horny as fuck/mind gone.lol. Man I remember that day now after reading those doses. It didn't seem like I was really tripping, but the next day I realized how fucked up I had been all day.

How muich TMA-6 do you have and what method of ingestion are you considering?

 

[Incunabula]

How friendly are these to the body?

They're quite friendly although a bit long winded. Stimulation is the kind you also get from 2CP or DPT, if you know what I mean.

Can at least a special experience be gotten out of them?

Absolutely, I think so.

What does titration of the dose mean here, cause I don't have a lot to play with, for some of these three more freedom that others..

I've only tried TMA-2 and TMA-6. In my experience the dosages were pretty much the same for both. If you don't have a lot of material, one oral dose of 40-50 mg is what you should do imo. Yepyep's doses sound kind of high to me. Of cause, I guess plugging could make it more smooth.

 

[Sir Ron Pib]

Would anyone who tried either TMA-1, TMA-2 or TMA-6 like to share something about it?

TMA-1 sounds pretty strange to me, not all that worthwhile and emotionally destabilizing. TMA-2 is maybe better but still off, interesting though. TMA-6 I am not sure about but it sounds like it could be interesting like TMA-2.
I have these compounds and am considering TMA-6 but would like some guidance.

How friendly are these to the body? Can at least a special experience be gotten out of them? What does titration of the dose mean here, cause I don't have a lot to play with, for some of these three more freedom that others..

Doesn't seem to be much on TMA other than Shulgins notes - it could be possible the group didn't mesh that day; not saying TMA isn't awkward material but it is easy to be wary of it after an experience like that and it having got a name for it's self that hasn't been challenged I'd like to hear more. As I say I failed to try TMA-6 but Shulgin rated it fun.
I take it you read "Angels in test tubes" in the TR section - not sure I can add much (includes a full report and notes to other trips from me and my GF). Definitely interesting stuff, my impression is a sort of technosynthetic mescaline - I haven't done mescaline so meaningless but I had a strong feeling that some sort of mescaline spirit resided in it. No doubt it's inferior to it but Shulgin seems to suggest that too. haven't gone very high with it - feel it could be speedy and have a bodyload and was cautious/nervous of it being an amphetamine but that said other than being spooked once nothing actually bad from it; 2C-I and 2CT-7 seemed to have horrid bodyloads so I dunno it's especially bad and it maybe with more use of 2CT-7 and TMA-2 one would gain trust of them and feel better with them (2C-I is without doubt ghastly without actually suggesting dangerous as such).
I took TMA-2 again not that long ago but haven’t posted that TR. Well dosage is always hard - I am in a similar position re escaline/proscaline - enough for a trip but no more so it’s hard to gauge how much to dive in with. TMA-2 personally I think any lower than 35-40mg probably not much point - how much higher for me I don’t know I haven’t pursued it and given there are other choices available I would take something else more known for balls to the wall style tripping. For reference somewhere at the top end of shulgins doses are often fairly good for me but with many he under doses considerably so I am probably of the same thinking as Incunabula. As for how special I don’t know; you are travelled enough to know if’s not all down to the compound but we certainly had some interesting trips on TMA-2

 

[Xorkoth]

I may be getting some TMA-2 and TMA-6 when production is done, but the vendor I ordered it from might not be good... I ordered some escaline from him, and CG/MS revealed recently that it contains some escaline and a "sea of unknowns". But the 4-EMC and 5-MAPB from him were great, and I have 3C-E from him too, which I didn't CG/MS but which seems very good, it actually has that fishscale/flaky quality of good 2C-Xs. So I'm not sure whether I'm going to go through with it. Probably I will and will just get them all tested. If he ever actually finishes producing them. Been waiting like 3 months, already paid too...

 

[Solipsis]

Thanks very much.. I will certainly check the rest of this thread (again, I'm sure I have read it before sometime).

To have a not so good day on it, I can afford. I just don't want to take anything that can really fuck me up all too easily but I didn't really think the TMA's were unsafe.

I have a measured dose of perhaps 200 mg of TMA-1, 3 capsules of TMA-2 with IIRC 40 mg each and a bunch of the brown-ish TMA-6 powder, I'd say multiple doses but not a pile.

It's a bit of a dilemma, I do like to have meaningful trips again but I absolutely need to continue my current routines so it has to be confined to a day like saturdays, with some slack on the sunday. For example if I'd go for trying DOM, I would titrate. With 3-MeO-PCP + 2C-B i felt confident enough but not by all that much.

 

[yardbirdrc]

I've been sleeping on my meager sample of TMA-2 since 2011. Finally got curious and cracked the seal this evening. I was completely blown away by this compound. From my readings on it I always had the impression that it was a bit of an oddity but nothing to write home about. I know everybody's body is different and this is considered to be a rather unpredictable chemical, blah blah blah. For me this was cream-of-the-crop psychedelic elite. Absurdly healing, ridiculous depth that I wasn't expecting at all. Psychological, emotional, deeply spiritual, downright telepathic - the whole nine. There were times where it upstaged mescaline, and that's coming from a die-hard mescaline devotee. I'm slightly rambling because I'm still reeling from how deep it took me, but until I get anything substantial written please know this: DO NOT OVERLOOK TMA-2!!. I profoundly regret not getting more of it when I had the chance.

 

[Solipsis]

That sounds very interesting and special, how much did you take and what was the set & setting? What kind of trip?

 

[yepyepwoah]

Yardbird how much did you take?

 

[perpetualdawn]

Exciting. I'd love to try this one some day. Looking forward to your more detailed report yardbird.
It's interesting that TMA-2 is quite active, as is DOM, 2C-D, but not 2C-O (2,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine)

 

[Solipsis]

Is it because 2C-O is susceptible to enzyme degradation whereas alpha-methylated compounds are much less so and 3,4,5 substituted PEAs also have *some* resistance to enzyme binding, but 5ht2a binding is also different? If so it begs the question whether TMA-2 gets metabolized at the 4-position and has active metabolites. Does mescaline also just lose some O-methyl groups in the liver making it so impotent? (It seems that besides N-acetylation, yes that is right)

2C-T is active but not potent and it is also short-acting. It may be a bit more degradation resistant...

2C-O's ability to potentiate mescaline is probably from competitive inhibition of these same enzymes.

 

[JBrandon]

That's hands-down the most glowing TMA-2 report I've seen.

 

[Bigazznugz]

I may be getting some TMA-2 and TMA-6 when production is done, but the vendor I ordered it from might not be good... I ordered some escaline from him, and CG/MS revealed recently that it contains some escaline and a "sea of unknowns". But the 4-EMC and 5-MAPB from him were great, and I have 3C-E from him too, which I didn't CG/MS but which seems very good, it actually has that fishscale/flaky quality of good 2C-Xs. So I'm not sure whether I'm going to go through with it. Probably I will and will just get them all tested. If he ever actually finishes producing them. Been waiting like 3 months, already paid too...

Good luck getting that. I am pretty sure i know exactly what custom synth vendor you speak of. And yes he has a track record of not only stalling but also as you said he will have some VERY dirty chems that gave not been cleaned properly.
I seriously hope thats comes through as i would love to see any tmas available somewhere.......
If it was a kilo syth thats akot of dough.

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm not sure, I may change my order, I know his 3C-E, mebroqualone, 4-EMC and 5-MAPB are good. I really wanted to get TMA-2, TMA-6, MEM, and PiPT, not to mention cyclopropylmescaline and a variety of other mesc analogues, but the escaline I got had terrible GC/MS results, there was small peak at escaline and a whole host of unknown peaks. So not really confident that if I wait for who knows how long, that the products will even be good. Would suck if they were and I passed, but I dunno...