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    I have come into contact with fentanyl and strong pharma-opiates by being around terminally ill people and people with back problems.
     

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    Originally posted by Tri-nity
    what countries are "ketobemidone" prescribe/used in?
    What opiates/opioids is it chemically related too? sound pretty good...how potent......
    I think that it's closely related to meperidene but also fentanyl. For many years US authorities claimed that it was the most addicting substance ever invented and forced Canada, Switzerland, Germany, France etc to stop selling it. Only Denmark, Sweden and Norway refused to comply as it was cheap and very effective and with far less negative sides than meperidene/pethidine. It's comparable to morphine hydrochloride in strength and oral, i.m., i.v. etc. I tried it 1979 and it made my morphine and heroin experiences seem like a joke, so intense was the euphoria.

    I - and several others - are convinced that something happened to it around 1980 that made it less euphoric (the pharmaceutical company suddenly DOUBLED the recommendation required for analgesia), cause today it's not outstanding compared to heroin. Also some ppl addicted to heroin doesn't feel 100% well when they take it instead of smack. It's chief asset nowadays is that it penetrates methadone better than any other opioid - much much better than heroin. It's WD is absolutely hell....
     

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    if your not tolerant like me, 10-20mg of methadone will kick your ass around for a good 8 hours. Some of the first days I was on methadone i got ridiculously fucked up for extended periods of time
     

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    [QUOTE]I think that it's closely related to meperidene but also fentanyl. [/Q]

    Demerol is a phenylpiperidine, and fentanyl is a representative phenylpiperidines, and though they are related, fentanyl is a more complicated, elongated, is far more potent, and has a very different pharmacological profile. Intravenously, demerol seems to last quite a bit longer. But unlike demerol, fentanyl has no toxic metabolite that accumlates with frequent use, and is a more versatile analgesic. Demerol is slowly being phased out and replaced with fentanyl, although currently demerol is the most widely used analgesic in hospital, especially in post-operative conditions. Fentanyl is generally used before operations.
     

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    I has always been stated that ketobemidone is closely related to pethidine (demerol) and it says so here http://www.unodc.org/unodc/bulletin/...4_page005.html ,along with the usual UN warnings that ketobemidone is the most dangerous addictive opioid ever invented etc. It was wrong to include fentanyl I'll admit. But the ketobemidone is not nephrotoxic as is demerol, on the contrary it's often said that patients prefer ketobemidone even to morphine because of it's few negative side effects. Also swedish and danish physicians are well aware of that many patients who have tried all the opoids tell them that "Ketogan is the only thing that works for me".

    As for it penetrating methadone better than other opoids, it's a well known fact in Denmark and to a lesser grade in Sweden. Denmark is a non-hysterical country; recently I saw suggestions that methadone addicts should be offered bigger syringes and filters so that they could inject their Ketogan pills more safely! That would never happen in Sweden which is almost as hysterical as US when it comes to drugs, if not worse...
     

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    so is ketobemidone used as opiate mantainece as is methadone here in the US?
     

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    I'm partial to Dilaudid.
     

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    I wish I could get my hands on some OC 40's and demerols I was getting for a while........
     

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    Originally posted by Tri-nity
    so is ketobemidone used as opiate mantainece as is methadone here in the US?
    God No. (Although Denmark is possibly going to make heroin available as maintainance drug as in Switzerland). But since the methadone drinkers have found out that Ketogan penetrates the methadone so much better than heroin does, they crush the pills and inject them. And as a harmreducing thing, it was suggested that the addicts should be helped with filtrating utensils as it's dangerous to inject pills solved in water and only filtrated by cotton. Thoroghly civilized harmreducing thinking!
     

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    what do you mean it "penetrates" the methadone so well.
    You mean that when taking methadone it doesn't kill the ketogan buzz were as it would kill an H high?
     

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    Originally posted by Tri-nity
    I wish I could get my hands on some OC 40's. . . .
    I just sniffed 2 and a half .
     

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    did u catch a buzz?
     

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    Jesus.....i need something that will penetrate my 180mg methadone dose.......maybe that ketomemidone is something i'll try to procure.
     

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    Originally posted by Tri-nity
    what do you mean it "penetrates" the methadone so well.
    You mean that when taking methadone it doesn't kill the ketogan buzz were as it would kill an H high?
    I mean that if you are drinking methadone day after day, and have the right dose (which many havent) you will not feel much when taking heroin - that's the point with methadone. The same reasoning that if you have just shot a big dose of heroin, it's quite useless to shoot another one right away. But Ketogan enters the brain very fast and easy, so it produces more of a flash than you will otherwise get. Also a certain 'high' is felt in many people.

    Negrogesic if you write the words ketogan methadone in Googles groups and also ketobemidone methadone, you'll see that other ppl too say this about ketogan penetrating methadone. It also says so in some danish and swedish texts but I suppose that will not help you. (It's NOT me writing that about taking Ketogan when 15 years old and having the best high ever, not getting it again but I sure agree!)
     

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    Heroin by far for me....its an unexplainable feeling when you get the rush...seriously is there anything that is natural in your everyday life(not any other drug) that will make you feel as good as heroin does not including sex?? i cant think of anything)
     

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    never done H before. I like the rush that demerol gives me though, then second is oxycodone.
     

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    Originally posted by ganjagurl
    Heroin by far for me....its an unexplainable feeling when you get the rush...seriously is there anything that is natural in your everyday life(not any other drug) that will make you feel as good as heroin does not including sex?? i cant think of anything)
    maybe im doing it wrong, but no sex i have ever had was as good as nodding
     

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    hmmm... for me, a cocktail of about 8 ultrams, a couple of 10 mg vicodins, and a crushed 60 mg morphine sulphate pill, plus another about 3 hours later, do the trick nicely
     

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    ^^^^
    thats sounds really nice minus the ultram.
     

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    Ketobemidone is about x2 morphine when swallowed, x5 when shot. It also antagonizes NMDA receptors (so it's an analgesic for 2 reasons) & yes, it's the biggest headrush of all. So

    1-ketobemidone
    2-dextromoramide
    3-dipipanone

    I don't do needle drugs. The only dope worth shooting is G.W.Bush...
     

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    PS there are some STRONG ketobemidone analogues which have even bigger rushes & fewer side-effects. See GB Patent 948542.

    PPS Someone said that the new stuff requires twice the dose and has less buzz? possibly it's the composition? I'm guessing that maybe it USED to be KB.HCl & now it's something like the mesylate (or something) just to slow GI absorbtion?
     

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    Anyone using diconol IV should be aware that the pill formulation has silica in it. It fucks veins up badly.
    Anyone using dextromoramide should be aware that it's hit is a bit unpredictable. 4 pills one day, no problem, 3 the next time and your going that shade of blue we all know & love...

    Show how peoples tastes differ. Fentanyl is not, medically considered so euphoriant BUT since the TI is much higher, you can take a whacking hit without pulling a blue. Maybe that explains the differences?
     

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    MSir 30mgs.....Oxy 40's are a close second!!
     

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    Personally, Oxycontin snorted or eaten chewed. AMAP (as much as possible) beats heroin.

    Consider, IV heroin is converted immediately to morphine in the bloodstream, so there would be little point comparing those 2 in IV form.

    So sad they no longer make those injectable morphine pills. Just 10 mg was all it took, and they were quite clean of fillers, too. This was at least 5 years ago.
     

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    Heroin is not immediately converted into morphine in the bloodstream.
     

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