Tryptamines [Mushrooms Subthread] P. Azurescens & P. Cyanescens

[evolutionofthemind]

An 1/8th is 3.5g. So half = 1.75g.

Yea that sounds like it would have been the ideal dose... maybe 2gs.

 

[evolutionofthemind]

Fist, psilocybin is the tryptamine chemical alkaloid in the mushroom. The genus is called psilocybe, the species is azurescens,

so it would be known as Psilocybe azurescens, not psilocybin azurescens..

One large fresh shroom is a good dosage. About the same size as that of a nice size Psilocybe cyanescens.

mjshroomer

or two to three - three inch tall sized shrooms with quarter sized caps/

Ok so what is the difference between psilocybin and psilocybe?

Also... which of these is usually in cubensis and cyanescens?

 

[IGNVS]

psilocybin is a chemical, psilocybe is a classification of fungus

 

[mjshroomer]

Ok so what is the difference between psilocybin and psilocybe?

Also... which of these is usually in cubensis and cyanescens?

Psilocybine converts to psilocine after it is consumed in the body.

Most psilocybian mushrooms generally have several of 4-5 tryptamine alkaloids in every mushrooms however, some may have one or two or three in various degrees/ Each individual mushroom can have different amounts.

the evolution of the active alkaloids in most psilocybian mushrooms develop as follows/

baeocystine, norbaeocystine, psilocybine, and psilocine.

Also, in the genus of Incovybe, Inocybe aeruginascens was a recently discovered to produce a newly detected compound named as aeruginascine, by my colleague, Dr. Jochen Gartz of the university of Leipzig, Germany

Some cubes I found in Thailand have as yet, an unidentified tryptamine compound discovered by my Suisse colleague, Dr. Tjakko Stivje of Nestles, Vevey, Suisse.

Other tryptamines found in psilocybian mushrooms include, tryptamine, 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonine, The brains own natural neurotransmitter), tryptophan, urea, etc. and sometimes bufotonine, all not active.

Recently (in press), my Thai colleagues and I discovered a new compound in a sterile culture of Psilocybe samuiensis Guzmán, Bandala and Allen:

Psilosamuiensin A, a new sesquiterpenoid from the culture broth of Psilocybe samuiensis.

Surachai Pornpakakul,* Sunisa Suwancharoen, Amorn Petsom, Sophon Roengsumran, Nongnuch Muangsin, Narongsak Chaichit, Jitra Piapukiew, Prakitsin Sihanonth, and John W. Allen

A novel 2,3-secoaromadendrane-type sesquiterpenoids, named psilosamuiensin A, was isolated from the broth of Psilocybe samuiensis.

Keywords
Psilocybe samuiensis; hallucinogenic mushroom, secondary metabolite.

mjshroomer

 

[slamslam]

Dried 'Blue Hawaiian' (Copelandia cyanescens?) advice

Hello!

recently purchased 2g of what were termed as 'Blue Hawaiian' shrooms. we were assured to not start with anything above 0.5g as a dose..

since buying these more people have 'signed up' for the trip and we were unable to buy more - how many people would 2g suffice at the absolute maximum?

the majority of us are rather inexperienced, having only tripped a few times before. are low dosages effective? or with hawaiians is there a small difference between recommended dose and non-active dose?

thanks in advance for any response, this site is greatly informative!

 

[mjshroomer]

Hello!

recently purchased 2g of what were termed as 'Blue Hawaiian' shrooms. we were assured to not start with anything above 0.5g as a dose..

since buying these more people have 'signed up' for the trip and we were unable to buy more - how many people would 2g suffice at the absolute maximum?

the majority of us are rather inexperienced, having only tripped a few times before. are low dosages effective? or with hawaiians is there a small difference between recommended dose and non-active dose?

thanks in advance for any response, this site is greatly informative!

In a paper by Dr. Thakko Stijve, analyzing specimens which I sent to him for chemical analysis from Hawaii and Thailand and a collection from Australia, we learned that the Hawaiian Copes were high in psilocine and low in psilocybine while the Australian collection of Copes were the opposite being high in psilocybine and low in psilocine.

Four participants (one female and three males) all consumed one dried gram of pooled materials in a controlled environmental setting and all four reported a rewarding experience.

one participant in the study reported a slight nausea after learning that the mushrooms grew in the manure of 4-legged ruminants. However, she later felt fine. They compared the high to be the equivalent of of one dried gram of liberty caps.


So basically for someone who has never done shrooms before, one dried gram is a good dose for a 1st time voyager. However, for those who have a tolerance to Copes, 1-2 dried grams is sufficient.

In Hawaii, a normal fresh dose would be 7-10 or 7-13 fresh average sized 4-6 inch high nickle sized caps and stems.

Some develop a high tolerance to Copes really easy with continued use of once or twice a week over a 6-8 months of use and most who do so require from 50 fresh to as many as 200 small 1-3 inch high speciments. This is a result of abuse to ones body by constant use and is not good. Usually 200 specimens could get as many as 20 to 30 people high.

I have posted here before somewhere on the site, Stijve's paper on Comparison of Panaeolus (Copelandia) cyanescens from Various Origins.

mjshroomer

 

[evolutionofthemind]

Fist, psilocybin is the tryptamine chemical alkaloid in the mushroom. The genus is called psilocybe, the species is azurescens,

so it would be known as Psilocybe azurescens, not psilocybin azurescens..

One large fresh shroom is a good dosage. About the same size as that of a nice size Psilocybe cyanescens.

mjshroomer

or two to three - three inch tall sized shrooms with quarter sized caps/

I'm sorry... what does the word "genus" in reference to shrooms mean?

 

[nanobrain]

be advised that the initial gastrointestinal response within minutes of ingestion of Hawaiians can be rather drastic even at 0.5g. with the real deal, 0.3g may suffice for a full-blown visionary experience if the subjects have no tolerance.

 

[mjshroomer]

I'm sorry... what does the word "genus" in reference to shrooms mean?

You can google questions like this.

A genus is a low-level taxonomic rank used in the classification of living and fossil organisms. The taxonomic ranks are domain, kingdom, phylum, class, order, family, genus, and species. The term comes from Latin genus "descent, family, type, gender"[1] (plurals: genera), cognate with Greek: γένος - genos, "race, stock, kin"[2].

Like almost all isobar taxonomic units, genera may sometimes be divided into subgenera, singular: subgenus. The largest main taxonomic unit below the genus is the species.

How to more precisely define a genus is a matter of continuing debate, as outlined a few paragraphs below.

mjshroomer

 

[slamslam]

thanks for the response, even though the above 2 posts seem to somewhat contradict each other!

anyone else like to have their input about what a minimum dose of this species would be?

0.3g may suffice for a full-blown visionary experience if the subjects have no tolerance.

sounds like really good news!

 

[mjshroomer]

thanks for the response, even though the above 2 posts seem to somewhat contradict each other!

anyone else like to have their input about what a minimum dose of this species would be?


sounds like really good news!

Nanobrain, your post makes no sense whatsoever.

and as someone who has written nine books and more than 3 dozen scholarly papers on entheogenic mushrooms, I know what I am talking about on the proper dosage for Copelandia mushrooms.

Slamslam. please read carefully what I say here.

I have four major papers on the genus Copelandia in prestigious journals such as the journal of Ethnopharmacology.

A normal dosage for Copelandia cyanescens is one dried gram or 7-10 fresh mushrooms.

You can view and see dosages for more than 55 of the 200 know species species of magic mushrooms at my site at :

http://www.mushroomjohn.org/species.htm.

That site has more than 14,800 photographs related to magic mushrooms. And more than 200 photographs of four species of Copelandia cyanescens, Copelandia cambodgeniensis, Copelandia tropicalis, and Copelandia bispora .

http://mushroomjohn.org/copelandiacyanescens1.htm

You can also read my paper on:

SPECIES IDENTIFICATION AND CHEMICAL ANALYSIS
OF
PSYCHOACTIVE FUNGI IN THE HAWAIIAN ISLANDS
by
Mark D. Merlin and John W. Allen

at this URL (with Colored photographs, chemical analysis, Chromatograms) of six species in the Hawaiian Islands.

http://mushroomjohn.org/hawaii1.htm

That paper is the definitive work on the Genus Copelandia in the Hawaiian Islands.

I also have papers on the occurrence of Copelandia species form South Asia, Southeast Asia, Oceanea, India, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam, Australia, Indonesia, Samoa, Micronesia, and the Philippine Islands to name a few.

Several pictorials at my website:

http://www.mushroomjohn.org have close to over 1,000 images of Copelandia species all over the world.

I am one of the world's leading ethnomycologist and authority on hallucinogenic mushrooms and when I present data on the dosage for species, I know what I am talking about.

I have no idea where nanobrain got his dosage data from but it is incorrect and makes no sense at all. His statement about gastric intestinal response has no valid medical application.

And have a shroomy day.

You should check out some of the photos.

mjshroomer

 

[IGNVS]

dealers will generally tell you to underdose with things like shrooms to make more money.
you should print out mjshroomer's post and show it to your dealer haha

edit: when you can buy more that is... tricky people those damn drug dealers, eh?

 

[mjshroomer]

That is why it is so nice in the PNW that one can go out practically throughout the whole year and pick one of more than 22 species that grows in this region of the world.

mjshroomer1

 

[IGNVS]

if you like tripping in slushy snow on an overcast day

 

[mjshroomer]

if you like tripping in slushy snow on an overcast day

You apparently do not know Seattle, Washington

In ten years we only had a few o hours of snow for a couple of hours three years ago. One day in March and another day in April.

This year was the first year in 11 years where we had a snow in the city which lasted for 2 weeks and is now over and gone.

Washington State has 22 species of psilocybian containing mushrooms, many which sometimes grow all year long depending on the weather conditions.

In San Francisco, farther south of Seattle, Psilocybe cyanescens, cyanofibrilosa,and cyanofriscosa can grow until mid February while they are gone in Seattle usually around the end of December. A few other species are also common in the spring in SF, Eugene and Portland, Oregon and at riding stables and racetracks and coastal golf courses for lib caps and blue ringers

Blue Ringers, a variety representing three similar species grows in lawns in downtown Seattle, public parks, government buildings, new condos, Federal lawns, and suburban lawns throughout the year.

Florida only has three to four species of Copelandia, all indistinguishable form one another without a microscope, Psilocybe cubensis, Psilocybe tampanensis, Psilocybe caerulescens, Psilocybe mammilata (very Rare), and a few laughing Gyms. and an Amanita.

But the PNE is the shroom capital of the USA and of the world. We have more than 5,000 species of mushrooms every fall.

WE have a species which appears in woodchips by the hundreds of thousands, Psilocybe pelliculosa, which slightly resembles a liberty cap but is less potent than P. cubensis.

IF you go to http://www.mushroomjohn.org/species.htm

there are more than 14,800 photographs and thousands are of magic shrooms. I present images at that site of more than 60 or so of the more than 200 known species.

have a shroomy day

But one thing we do not have, is shrooms in a slushy snow, although they do appear after a snowfall from already being in a particular spot when the snow fell

 

[nanobrain]

^hmm, without question, you are much more qualified to speak on the matter than me - so, is the experiential difference between .5 and .3 grams of dried Hawaiians that many orders of magnitude apart? as far as a gag reaction, well, that was unfortunately (for another onlooker's pants) witnessed first hand.

 

[ampd]

Psilocybine converts to psilocine after it is consumed in the body.

Most psilocybian mushrooms generally have several of 4-5 tryptamine alkaloids in every mushrooms however, some may have one or two or three in various degrees/ Each individual mushroom can have different amounts.

the evolution of the active alkaloids in most psilocybian mushrooms develop as follows/

baeocystine, norbaeocystine, psilocybine, and psilocine.

Also, in the genus of Incovybe, Inocybe aeruginascens was a recently discovered to produce a newly detected compound named as aeruginascine, by my colleague, Dr. Jochen Gartz of the university of Leipzig, Germany

Some cubes I found in Thailand have as yet, an unidentified tryptamine compound discovered by my Suisse colleague, Dr. Tjakko Stivje of Nestles, Vevey, Suisse.

Other tryptamines found in psilocybian mushrooms include, tryptamine, 5-hydroxytryptamine (serotonine, The brains own natural neurotransmitter), tryptophan, urea, etc. and sometimes bufotonine, all not active.

Recently (in press), my Thai colleagues and I discovered a new compound in a sterile culture of Psilocybe samuiensis Guzmán, Bandala and Allen:



mjshroomer

This is silly but, what do you major in?

 

[mjshroomer]

This is silly but, what do you major in?

I am an amateur ethnomycologisit who has written nine books on the sacred mushrooms and more than three dozen published papers in academic journals on their use and history. I am also a photographer, a musician, a graphic artist, and have presented over 100 lectures worldwide on magic mushrooms, and photographed and collected species on 4 continents form Asutralia to Canada, to Mexico, South America, India, Thailand, Burma, Cambodi, Vietnam, Indonesia, Java, Sumatra, Bali, Kuala Lumphur, Malaysia, the Philippine Islands Hawaii, Samoa.

I also have a website with more than 14,000 photographs , most which enlarge to 7 1/2 inches in height.

I have a degree in Graphic arts (Washington Technical Institute) and mycology (Seattle Community College).

My website can be viewed at this URL:

http://www.mushroomjohn.org

And have a shroomy day,

mjshroomer

 

[kaosisallwesee]

Once the veil opens the mushroom stops producing psilocybin, so while the mushroom gets larger the content of psilocybin remains pretty much the same. So if you pick it when the veil breaks you are getting the best potency weight ratio in theory.
Of course there are other factors in potency, but the reason why people suggest picking when the veil breaks is because after that you are just gaining size without potency. BUT, this isn't a huge issue, if you let a bunch of mushrooms grow out and pick them, don't expect them to be weak mushrooms. But just like if you pick abhorts, you'll know that those tiny bitches are very potent, but they are tiny.
So its a balancing act, I'd personally let a few shrooms grow out, I think if nothing watching a mushroom mature is a lot of fun

as far as i know you should pick when the veil brakes because untill that point it grows using cell division , after that cell expansion, so same amount of active substance over a large area

 

[samnslumberland]

Psilocybe Azurescens

I've been interested in tripping on "magic mushrooms" for a few years now but have always been too apprehensive and in the wrong mental state. Lately I've dabbled in a few new (to me) different drugs and feel that I am finally in the right state of mind to take my drug experimentation a bit further.

I came across some Psilocybe Azurescen mushrooms yesterday and ended up purchasing 10 grams of them. I'm only keeping a little over 3 grams for myself and have no intentions of doing all of them at once as I am new to this, so I need some advice on where to start. The person whom I purchased them from informed me that she had consumed just 2 caps and was set, however my brother (who is no stranger to shrooms and other psychedelics) informed me that he personally likes to go all out and get the "full effect". I trust my brother 100% in advising me on how much I should take, but I feel as though I could use a few other peoples' opinions considering everybody is different.

In addition to dosage recommendations, does anyone care to share their favorite atmospheres or environments to do shrooms in? I'd idealy like to do it outside with no human disturbances with the exception of whoever I am high with, but I'm not sure where exactly so suggestions are always welcome.

Finally, my last question is this: what do you think the effects would be if I were to eat anywhere from 1/2 to a whole cap? Just to test the field. Would this be a waste of resources? Thanks in advance!