something about you makes me suspicious & doesnt allow me to believe your stories. i just dont know yet what this is....
dont want to be rude, but this all sounds very strange to me.
someone with your background that is cutting his own product and thbinks that s a good idea?? hmmmm
Brainbug, jblz - I undersatand how strange it all sounds. But consider something you may not be aware of:
"Tan" is not the only thing that has come out of mdpv, and I am not the only person producing stuff. I try to keep track of all the recreational products on the world market, looking for constituents that provide evidence that other people are walking down this same path:
What I do first is screen for mdpv. Much of the time I am already clued in by other people and reports, like the following:
So my work is made easier.
After a screen shows positive for mdpv, I extract the pv and whatever other soluble salts are in the mix (it's always a mix for some reason) by first dissolving the mix in water, then precipitating and separating. The insoluble residue, if there is one, cannot contain mdpv because mdpv can only exist in two forms – the freebase, which is an oil, or the salt (such as mdpv HCL, or mdpv acetate) which is highly soluble in water. So if there is mdpv in the mix, and the mix is a powder that obviously contains no oil, then it will dissolve, and be precipitated out from the solution
I laid out this little background because the following is extremely intriguing for anyone interested in the evolution of RCs, and the little background above is necessary to understand it:
One of the oddest products on the RC market is a bath salt called "Ultimate Sextacy":
It has been screened by various drug testing labs and the results have invariable been positive for mdpv (see second image above). My own screen here yielded the same results. The odd thing is, though, that product, when bumped, is very little like mdpv. It is HUGELY hypersexual, as reports are starting to indicate:
The hypersexuality is WAY beyond anything reported with pv, and from my own and friend's experiences is somewhere halfway between pv and the Tan – pretty enormous and certainly way more pronounced than any other known chemical, other than the Tan. It does not have the euphoria of the Tan – more like pv, and it's duration is similar to pv. But it does not have the comedown that pv is well know for, nor does it have negative psychological effects at higher doses – another difference from pv.
Yet it tests as pv on standard screens.
When I did my normal pv extraction – dissolving in water and then evaporating out the powder, nothing showed up. The water contained not even speck of dust. There was absolutely nothing in the package that was soluble. I tried many times at different water temperatures with different packages. Nothing. The product (as explained above) could not have contained any pv whatsoever. Whatever it did contain was not an oil (so it wasn't mdpv freebase) and was not soluble in water (so it wasn't an mdpv salt)- much like the Tan. But it is definitely not the Tan.
So…. Whatever the chemical is, it reacts positive on mdpv screens. The Tan reacts positive on mdpv screens. Nearly every substance I've created using pv as a base has tested positive on pv screens. Yet they are unquestionably not pv. Someone out there is experimenting with pv just like I am, and have come up with a completely different prosexual product. And they are marketing it.
If you doubt any of this, go to your local headshop and buy Ultimate Sextacy. Bump it. You will know, absolutely, that it is the most hypersexual chemical you have ever tasted (unless you've tasted the Tan). Then try dissolving it, extracting the solution, and evaporating. There will not be a single grain of substance left in the evaporate.
So, All I'm saying is: It is strange to think that something like the Tan could come out of something like mdpv. But my results do not stand alone. At least one other entity has produced something different, and massively prosexual, from pv.
Check it out yourself.