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Well, I guess this one's a given risk, since these drugs are all uppers. Maybe there will be an update on the specifics of the empirical evidence later in the day.
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NEWS: The Age 18 Sep 03: Stroke fear on ecstasy, speed and ice
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Well, I guess this one's a given risk, since these drugs are all uppers. Maybe there will be an update on the specifics of the empirical evidence later in the day.
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Lets hope so
slightly OT.......
was bored at work, so had a quick scan of some medical journals. amongst other things, i found a report which basically said
an extacy user is 5 times more likely to die from a car accident as from taking a pill.
of course, it also sais this figure can change depending on how u measure it (ie heart attacks on e, deadly drug cocktails with e etc......which ones do u count?)
It also said that there were about 250 deaths in England during 1999 (i think), which was roughly the same as Cocaine and heroin deaths. This did not include indirect deaths, but deaths where xtc was printed on the death certificate as a leading cause.
As i was at work, i couldnt read it in depth or write down the exact figures.....
But yikes!!!! thats way more than i expected. The way the media carried on with Anna Wood, I thought it was a once a year (or decade) phenomenon.
It also mentioned some other drugs which Ive never heard of (they always give the chemical name of course), which some ppl use to increase the neurotoxicity of xtc - this appears to be a large cause of some of these deaths.
Will post proper details if i find it again (although they r old reports, so nothing particularly new).
as for brain bleeding, yes im sure pumping a rat full of xtc could cause it, but hey pump them with enough sugar or salt, and eventually theyd die as well.
am still interested in seeing the findings though!!
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was bored at work, so had a quick scan of some medical journals. amongst other things, i found a report which basically said
an extacy user is 5 times more likely to die from a car accident as from taking a pill.
of course, it also sais this figure can change depending on how u measure it (ie heart attacks on e, deadly drug cocktails with e etc......which ones do u count?)
It also said that there were about 250 deaths in England during 1999 (i think), which was roughly the same as Cocaine and heroin deaths. This did not include indirect deaths, but deaths where xtc was printed on the death certificate as a leading cause.
As i was at work, i couldnt read it in depth or write down the exact figures.....
But yikes!!!! thats way more than i expected. The way the media carried on with Anna Wood, I thought it was a once a year (or decade) phenomenon.
It also mentioned some other drugs which Ive never heard of (they always give the chemical name of course), which some ppl use to increase the neurotoxicity of xtc - this appears to be a large cause of some of these deaths.
Will post proper details if i find it again (although they r old reports, so nothing particularly new).
as for brain bleeding, yes im sure pumping a rat full of xtc could cause it, but hey pump them with enough sugar or salt, and eventually theyd die as well.
am still interested in seeing the findings though!!
rezinate
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Another example of where statistics can be arranged to support your point, whatever that may be....
OK, as regards to the 5 x more likely to die while on E blurb; Even without E I would say that if you're out at 3 am in the morning, then that alone would raise the odds. As would jumping up and down in a crowded hot room, with limited available oxygen i.e. many dance floors throughout summer. Up the odds go again when driving home fatigued after a big night of dancing and having less sleep than normal.
As for the 250 fatality report; Well lets say we pick as a very conservative estimate, a number of 500,000 tablets which get taken every week in England. I'm sure this figure is higher, but it will serve to demonstrate. Using this figure, a total of ~25,000,000 pills are consumed annually. An annual figure of 250 deaths (considered directly caused by MDMA) means there is only a 0.001% chance of dying directly from taking MDMA; or a 1 in a 100,000 chance.
That would tend to imply MDMA would be as safe as taking most common pharmaceuticals including aspirin!
OK, as regards to the 5 x more likely to die while on E blurb; Even without E I would say that if you're out at 3 am in the morning, then that alone would raise the odds. As would jumping up and down in a crowded hot room, with limited available oxygen i.e. many dance floors throughout summer. Up the odds go again when driving home fatigued after a big night of dancing and having less sleep than normal.
As for the 250 fatality report; Well lets say we pick as a very conservative estimate, a number of 500,000 tablets which get taken every week in England. I'm sure this figure is higher, but it will serve to demonstrate. Using this figure, a total of ~25,000,000 pills are consumed annually. An annual figure of 250 deaths (considered directly caused by MDMA) means there is only a 0.001% chance of dying directly from taking MDMA; or a 1 in a 100,000 chance.
That would tend to imply MDMA would be as safe as taking most common pharmaceuticals including aspirin!
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Which journal was it rezinate?
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