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NEWS: The Age 15 Sep 03: Random driver drug tests are on the way (Latest guess Dec 1)

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NEWS: The Age 15 Sep 03: Random driver drug tests on the way

Random driver drug tests on the way
By Lucy Beaumont
September 15, 2003


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Truck drivers and rave partygoers will be prime targets of random roadside drug testing soon to be introduced in Victoria.

The technology, which relies on a saliva test detecting cannabis and methamphetamines, could make Victoria the world's first jurisdiction with random roadside testing similar to booze buses, authorities said.

The announcement came as revised guidelines on assessing a patient's fitness to drive were mailed to GPs nationwide.

Revealing the technology yesterday, Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said it used a device containing an antibody that reacted to drug traces in saliva.

Within one to three minutes of a driver chewing on a swab, a digital display would tell police whether the driver had taken drugs recently. Laboratory confirmation would follow a positive reading.

Up to 30 per cent of drivers killed on the road had tested positive to drugs other than alcohol, Mr Haermeyer said.

More than 200 drivers were picked up last year with existing drug tests.

Authorities could not confirm whether there would be a discretionary level of drugs permissible, as with the .05 blood alcohol level. (Emphasis added: BT)

Mr Haermeyer said that legislation would be introduced to Parliament this year, with roadside testing in place early next year.

"This is a breakthrough initiative very much in the same vein as roadside random alcohol testing when we first did that," Mr Haermeyer said. "Initially, we will snare a significant number of people but as the message gets out there people will take a lot more care."

Acting Assistant Commissioner Bob Hastings said that police would target areas and industries where they believed drug abuse was high.

"The heavy transport industry is one of the industries that regularly comes under criticism . . . We also have large rave-type dances around the city where these sorts of substances are taken," he said.

The new device could detect opiates such as heroin, but authorities said more work was needed to distinguish it from medicines, including codeine, which have a similar chemical make-up.

"These drugs are still quite impairing, whether they are under prescription or not," Mr Haermeyer said. "We have a major education campaign to undertake."

The new National Road Transport Commission advice to GPs brings commercial and private driver guidelines together for the first time and helps doctors identify patients who might be unsafe on the roads.

The commission said that impaired driver perception, judgement, response time and physical capability needed to be managed using up-to-date medical knowledge.

Blackouts, vision problems, epilepsy, heart disease, sleep disorders, diabetes, psychiatric illness and old age all impair driving ability.

Commission project manager Bruce Hocking said that doctors should not be seen as policing road safety.

"There is no intent to get doctors to dob in patients," Dr Hocking said.

In Victoria, drivers are obliged to notify licensing authorities if they develop a condition that affects their driving.

He said some conditions had been reviewed in light of medical advances.

"The standards have been framed to take advantage of increasingly effective medication," Dr Hocking said.

The guidelines are available online at www.austroads.com.au

From: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/09/14/1063478065344.html?from=storyrhs

BigTrancer :)
 
this is carzy. driving home after a rave.. you have NO idea how much u are still affected. its alot easier with alcohol, the standard drinks rule. but are they going ot bring out a standard pill rule?
P Platers are allowed 1.5 pills 5 hours before driving?
It stays in your system for ever!

*imagines at Star City Casino two panels on the wall. A self-brethalyser and a self-drugalizer*

*cries*
 
Just heard on JJJ that WA has rejected roadside drug tests, saying that state won't be employing them. The spokesperson said police should be focusing more on driver impairment [?] and that the devices could not detect all drugs.
 
obviously the point here is exactly what bt has emphasised - is there a point where they don't bother taking you in? i don't know the exact amount of time that drugs stay in your system, but it's an absolute fucking crock if they're going to be arresting non-impaired (but still "affected") people, just because they can't sort out some "discretionary level".

that said, i think the idea's actually a reasonably positive one - presumably the reason we're all here is because we're drug takers, but that doesn't mean we have to be stupid about it...driving when you are being affected by drugs is totally stupid, and *should* be discouraged...it'd just be better if they could sort out a better system to do it!
 
How groovy is the little device? hehe. I gather it's probably similar operating principle to e.g., a blood glucose tester, where the swab is inserted after a calibration swab to test the difference before/after testing.

BigTrancer :)
 
From the Herald-Sun

Drug-driving tests
By MARK BUTTLER
15 Sep 2003

TRUCKIES and doped drivers leaving rave nights will be the first people singled out when Victoria introduces world-first random roadside drug testing.

Police consider those groups to be among the most likely to be caught out when the system – similar to drink-drive testing – starts next year.
Some truck drivers regularly use amphetamines, or "speed", to stay awake on gruelling interstate road trips.

And police are aware many nightclubbers drive home with drugs such as ecstasy in their system, knowing there is a minimal chance of being caught.

Police Minister Andre Haermeyer said Victoria would be the first in the world to have random testing for drug-drivers.

He said it was clear there was a problem. Victorian research showed that 30 per cent of drivers killed in road accidents tested positive to drugs other than alcohol.

Mr Haermeyer said the speed of the new tests meant many more drivers could be checked.

"(The new testing) will heavily stack the odds against those people who drive under the influence of drugs," Mr Haermeyer said.

The device police plan to use can check for as many as 15 drugs. But it is understood police plan to concentrate on amphetamine-based products and cannabis.

Methadone and benzodiazepine use can be revealed but it has not been decided what other drugs will be deemed to impair drivers.

Police said yesterday further refinement of the technology would be needed before conclusive testing could be done for heroin, because that drug shared constituents similar to many prescription drugs.

Acting Assistant Commissioner Bob Hastings said police would have an element of discretion in dealing with drivers who tested positive for prescription drugs but were not impaired.

"It's not about terrorising the normal person . . . who needs their medication," Mr Hastings said.

Drivers will be examined at the roadside using a device which, when chewed for up to three minutes, produces enough saliva to reveal whether people have drugs in their systems.

If a test is positive, the driver will be escorted to a nearby drug-bus where a more detailed sample will be taken.

The driver will not be allowed to drive home.

Tards. Leave us alone.
 
^ The question is, do you avoid driving for 3-7 days after drugs though? Because these tests have the potential to be able to pick you up that long after the fact NO problem.

I definitely do not condone driving under the influence of drugs, but being charged with drug driving on a tuesday after you've had a pill or a joint on the weekend is what most people are worried about, I would think.

BigTrancer :)
 
yeah BT, nice lil machine.... wouldn't mind getting my hands on one.

could be alotta FUN!.............
WHAT! you only registering 85% THC... i got this puppy up to 92%!

keep trying!

bwhahahaha.............. blow a toke into it and watch it register off the hook.
could be a good way to test your weed for THC content.

mung 8 trips and see what it comes back as.................

HAHAHAHAH yes i offically need one of these.
 
^I hope you WILL be able to buy them.

As BT stated, what happens if we're caught on a tuesday after a big weekend. Would be handy to have one of these in your glove box so you can gauge whether to take the main roads or the side roads :p
 
Can anyone confirm how accurate the tests are in terms of knowing the time you injested the drug? ie 24 hours, 48 hours, as long as it's in your system etc.

Surely you can't be charged for driving under the influence of drugs if they can't prove the drugs are still affecting you? If these tests only detect whether the drug is in your system then it's only fair to be charged for taking the drug, opposed to actually driving under the influence
 
^^^
And then surely you aren't going to charge those users that have had their drinks spiked, and are driving home after sleeping it off in the first aid section?

There are so many problems with something like this... seeming very very rushed to me, is there a Victorian election coming up anytime soon? :p
 
The policies will be a nightmare - but as they said in the article, they're willing to accept some teething problems and fuck up a bunch of people's lives while they work out operational parameters............

BigTrancer ;)
 
Does anyone know what brand/model that device is shown in the picture? In a previous story here they were Cozart Rapiscans, but these look different again. Has the device to be used been decided upon? There is lots of information on manufacturers websites about the detectable levels, and what can actually be detected, all you need to know is what the Victorian Police plan to test with.
 
Damn, part of the reason i have taken drugs in the past is so that i dont have to drink, and thus not be able to drive to work the next morning. But if i cant drive for a few DAYS!
Thats gonna SUCK
 
Dare I say more people will now probably take up drinking and driving home again, because the penalties and repercussions probably won't be as severe.

We need a big list of all the items that cause false positives, and then we need to stock up on them and leave the wrappers lying around in the car.
 
phase_dancer said:
Just heard on JJJ that WA has rejected roadside drug tests, saying that state won't be employing them. The spokesperson said police should be focusing more on driver impairment [?] and that the devices could not detect all drugs.

well fuckin thank christ for that! ;)
i'm currently clean, and should test negative to any drug(cept maybe codiene), but i will eventually start using again, and it would suck getting caught after my first big night out!!

let's hope WA never introduces this! at least Perth is good for some things! ;)

but seriously, will this be able to test positive for marijuana, even if you had the cone/joint days beforehand??

would it be possible to fight whatever they charge you with, citing the fact you had it days beforehand, so the test was wrong, as you were not impaired!

could they still charge you for using the drug, or would they need more than a blood test???

many many questions will be asked about this i think!!
 
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