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Brilliant_Frenzy
07-06-2003, 03:28
Situation:

Last weekend I smoked a little pot with some friends. One friend packed two bowls in a water bong, of which I smoked about 3 small puffs out of each bowl. The pot was fairly high quality. I tried to smoke only a little because I tend to get paranoid when I smoke pot. The environment was as follows: my friends live in an apartment on the first floor; the patio doors and blinds were open; people were there that I've never met before; my friends brought up the fact that the neighbors had called the police during a pervious party concerning noise--they've never had any legal problems, the police just asked them to turn the volume down. For entertainment, a friend of theirs turned Children of the Corn and Halloween Five on, which freaked me out. My reactions were as follows: I became very very quiet; I didn't say anything, I just became really quiet and nervous.

Background:

Pot was not the first drug I tried. I tried e, acid, and hydrocodone before pot. When I first tried pot (about three summers ago) I found it enjoyable: I got giddy, euphoric, and laughed a lot. I noticed time distortions when I first started smoking, but I found them interesting.

After smoking that summer, I went to college and smoked in that environment. Things changed. I began to get paranoid, suspicious of people (I thought they were talking about me), and was very judgemental of myself.

Ever since then (the first paranoid college pot experience), I've ALWAYS had bad pot "trips."

Also, I should mention that I have anxiety issues and that I've had a coke problem in the past. I've not done coke in a long time, and this has been the first time I've done pot in almost a year.

Questions:

1. Is it possible to be negatively conditioned concerning pot? Since I've had that first negative experience, I seem to go into that same mindset: things are going to be bad; the entire high scares me, especially the time distortions.

2. If negative conditioning exists, is it possible to recondition yourself to have positive experiences again? I mean, I would like to smoke pot again if it was a positive experience. I'm not sure if this would be effective, or how I could go about this. Does anyone have any suggestions?

3. Would my former coke problem affect my present pot experiences? I'm pretty sure pot and coke affect different neurotransmitters, but could the after effects of my coke use cause problems with pot?

4. Finally, I've never had bad trips on other psychedelics (acid, shrooms, ketamine); it's just been pot. Whenever I smoke pot, it's like a mini-acid trip. Whereas most people relax, it seems to make me (now) uptight and very anxious.

Purpose:

The purpose of this post was to get any suggestions as to how I might have a positive pot experience again, and to explain why I may have negative experiences now.

BTW:

I should have included this in the original post. I was also drinking (two drinks with rum and Dr. Pepper) and did a few poppers. Ok, for those who don't know what poppers are. It's slang from Amyl Nitrate, but I'm pretty sure the stuff people buy around here isn't Amyl Nitrate. You go into a store and ask for "Video Head Cleaner." It's a liquid that comes in a small brown vial, and you inhale the vapors quickly then put the cap back on. To be honest, I'm not sure what the stuff actually is. I don't think it's Amyl because I think that's illegal in this state. Anyway, it produces a "rush" for about 10 seconds then you're back to normal. I don't think the alcohol or poppers contributed to the paranoia, because I wasn't really drunk and I only did a few poppers. Also, like I said before, I've always gotten paranoid on pot since that first bad experience.

Cimora
07-06-2003, 04:17
1. Is it possible to be negatively conditioned concerning pot? Since I've had that first negative experience, I seem to go into that same mindset: things are going to be bad; the entire high scares me, especially the time distortions.

Absolutely.


2. If negative conditioning exists, is it possible to recondition yourself to have positive experiences again? I mean, I would like to smoke pot again if it was a positive experience. I'm not sure if this would be effective, or how I could go about this. Does anyone have any suggestions?

Yup. Lots of people get paranoid on pot. I find that sticking to small groups of people whom i trust minimizes the effect. Less stimulation while your high: Dont do it in public places. That should help. Also, remember to breathe, concentrate on physically relaxing, and that its all in your head, its not real.


3. Would my former coke problem affect my present pot experiences? I'm pretty sure pot and coke affect different neurotransmitters, but could the after effects of my coke use cause problems with pot?

It may do, but most side effects from drugs fade with time. Its probably more to do with your anxiety though.

frizzantik
07-06-2003, 05:51
pot is a minor psychedelic.. therefore set and setting do play a part

once you have a paranoid pot experience they are a lot more likely to occur, just because you are paranoid that you might become paranoid hehe

heavy coke use may cause anxiety later in life.. my lady did lots of coke as a teenager and now she has anxiety and depression problems. they could be unrelated though.


if you want to continue smoking pot, learn to see the signs of a paranoia attack and once it starts happening try not to focus on it. it is hard as you can begin pumping with adrenaline which makes it tought to calm down but remember that you'll be ok :D


dig around in this forum there is endless discussion on this topic.

PassMeTheVicks
07-06-2003, 11:46
1)Yes. I usually get nervous b4 a weed trip. Its the conditioning you say from previous uncofortable trips.

2)Maybe. Try to relax. Although I find that once you have the first toke of weed, your mind has a mind of its own and can start to stumble on neg thoughts.

3)Coke caused a psychotic disorder in me. I dont feel weed makes my condition any worse. Actually helps me.

4) I love the way good weed makes me acid trip too man. Just dont get into bad acid trips. They can be very un fun. Keep a positive mind. Weed can be one of the gentlest very inner touching drugs as it can turn into a bad trip.

PottedMeat
07-06-2003, 16:05
Until you build up some experience, psychs. should be taken in a very controlled envvironment. I.E., have friends around you thaat you can trust.

everlost
10-06-2003, 02:39
I dont know if you have done DXM or are interested in trying it, but for me it works wonders for stopping anxiety from pot. When I first started smoking pot I always enjoyed it but now I usually have bad reactions to pot and get severe anxiety and often start shaking.

Then I discovered DXM and found that if I smoked pot while on a high 2nd plateau DXM trip it would usually stop the anxiety. I can take large doses that would probably otherwise wig me out and have a very good time. I have had incredibly blissful nirvana like experiences in the past from smoking pot while on a high 2nd plateau and listening to music. Smoking pot on 3rd plateau is also good. I have incredible CEVs and sensations of flying through tunnels from pot on a 3rd plateau DXM trip. I rarely do pot more than once a week to keep my tolerance down so I can get really good effects. Just dont do DXM too often and you should read up on it if you are new to it and decide to try it.

If you can get benzos that might help. I havent tried that combination yet.

If anything alcohol would help anxiety if you drink enough. It can for me but I dont always enjoy the combination that much.

Brilliant_Frenzy
10-06-2003, 08:28
Thanks for everyone's answers.

To clarify a few things:

I would say I'm fairly experienced with pot. Granted, I've not smoked it in a while, but when I went through my heavy drug phase a few years ago, I smoke a lot of pot. I also thought that might have something to do with it: is there just a point that you smoke so much that it just doesn't effect you in the same way anymore (i.e., produce happy feelings?). I don't know. I do know I'm not going to smoke it anymore until I can buy my own stash and "reprogram" myself in the ideal envrionment. For now, I'm sticking to alcohol when I visit my friends. They don't really get into any drugs harder than pot. So, they can smoke and I'll drink. I mean, I'd like to bring other things. But, I know they don't like that and I think that would be rude of me to do.

Also, yes, I've tried DXM several several times. It's my mainstay drug at college--I can never get anything there. I usually do one eight ounce bottle of CVS tussin if I want a nice buzz, or two bottles if I want to get fucked up. But, it's not something I like doing all the time. It's nice every now and then, but not all the time. I'm not sure how I'd feel about taking it AND pot. Like I said, pot effects me like a mini-acid trip. DXM also causes me to hallucinate. I'm afraid it would just increase the paranoia.

Yes, I've tried benzodiazepines before. The only one I really like is Ativan, and I usually get really sloppy with it: I dose, fall into an amnesia-like state, and automatically redose without realizing it. So, I try not to do benzos that much.

9baller
15-06-2003, 19:22
Yeah, this is fairly common. Most people I know tend to get somewhat paranoid on weed. Nothing to worry about. Just smoke where you feel safe and with peope you trust.

Cheers. :)

HotMOovZ
19-06-2003, 14:17
I was reading an article in the Australian finaincial Review about three months ago (whilst i was supposed to be working)
Anyway the article caught my eye because it was reaserarching paranoia in people who smoked pot on even an irregualr basis .

The study, which lasted over a decade found that those who expierience high levels of paranoia and anxiety whilst smoking pot had fifteen times higher chance of developing psycosis and schysophrenia later in life. The study concluded that many of the people may have already suffered from these illnesses however suffered no symptoms and pot acted as a trigger.

Seeing i suffer from sever paranoia when i smoke pot i took the advise...

dj phucktag
19-06-2003, 14:29
Im a major pot head. All i smoke is high grade cannabis. 9 times out of 10 i feel great. That other one time i feel like i have some weird condition that makes me feel like im going to die. Thing is, im sitting there telling myself "Nick, youre just stoned" but it wont go away til im not high anymore. Anyone have similar experiences?

sallycinnamon
19-06-2003, 17:56
This was a great post Brilliant_Frenzy; I was meaning to ask this myself. Very eloquently posed.

I have big problems with this. My problem is usually that I can't get horrible, violent sexual images out of my head. I wondered (only when I was stoned) if a family member sexually molested me, and things like that. On more than one occasion, I was deathly afraid that a friend's father was going to burst into the bathroom and rape me up agaisnt the tile. I mean, all these images are very vivid and disturbing.

Sometimes I'll feel like I'm having an epiphany, but it'll turn sour because I get very down on myself. I'll tell myself that I can't handle truth because I'm a stupid woman, I'm really uncool, and in fact, a little fucked in the head. It's terrible to feel like that. It's caused me great emotional distress.

I don't smoke pot anymore because of these reasons. I've heard that it can cause emotional problems in some people. I believe what HotMOovZ posted about schizophrenia, as well. Who knows? I'm just going to stay away from it to be on the safe side. It's going to take me a long time to heal. I even want to talk about it with a psychiatrist.

My advice would be to just get the hell away from it if it makes you feel bad. I know there are up sides to smoking pot, but the negative just outweighs that sometimes.

Good luck on what you're seeking.

sh0ck3r
25-06-2003, 06:15
i know lots of guys who won't touch the herb cuz it makes them paranoid, yet they still do harder drugs. my question for you is...do you get paranoid when you smoke alone or maybe with 1 very close friend and just stay inside, chilling, with nothing to do that day? because if you do, i'd say pot is definitely a bad substance for you. but if you only get paranoid when out in public, say at a mall or something, i'd say that is really normal.

alostlittlebird
25-06-2003, 07:02
The marijuana experience isn't meant to be scrutinized in such a way, and when you start trying to overthink your experience or force it (or want it) to be something it isn't, there are negative side effects.

I find it helpful in terms like this:

Say you want to ask a hot girl (or guy, or whatever) out on a date. You reflect on what might happen if you are rejected, and it makes you nervous. You realize that in being nervous you probably won't be comfortable enough to score the date, and so you become anxious. You have created all of these feelings in your head, yet the ramifications are real because now instead of flowing up all natural and asking for a date, you are stranded in being nervous, anxious, and above all scared of the potential situation.

When you try and anticipate something to be good or bad, it may well end up being the opposite because your overthinking may trigger many other responses. If you try and think your way into a good experience you're not going to get anywhere because your mind is busy doing just that, thinking.

My advice: Slow down that busy mind. Instead of trying to build an expectation or force a feeling, just let things happen. Be natural - do not worry about feeling good or bad, but instead let comfort and tranquility be your guide. Good things will follow.

SkiNLaB
27-06-2003, 03:16
damn, im a very irregular pot smoker, and my second ever time, i had way 2 much, and freaked myself out, puked eventually. and ever since then i have always been a *bit* on edge. but its mostly when someone is there who ISNT smoking and never has, then its like i feel that they are looking at me all the time, judging me or something.

so i think i have resolved not 2 smoke, unless i am TOTALLY comfortable with the company.

i find if i leave the group and just sit down somewhere by myself and stare at the stars or something it can really be good. i guess its just not meant 2 be a social drug for me.... which is unfortunate cuz everyone else loves it in a social setting.

The_Masochrist
28-06-2003, 09:03
this is a great post i can relate to what so many people are saying here, last night for instance i had a toke after me and some firends went to a local bar there was about 15 of us there and i was starting to get a bit uncomfortable in teh situation by the end of the night even tho these people are my friends ?! werid eh, anyway i fleed away without even saying bye 2 anyone with one other firend and we toked and it was fine but when he left i kept on thinking about htat night thinking how much of a loser i am how uncool i am, how i cant relate to people and how fucked up my relationships are, i just kept recycling these bad feelings in my head, when i woke up i still felt it a bit but it wore off as the day went on. i think pot has made me socially paranoid and i hate it, i cant chill with people i dont know that well or that i cant fully relate with some times, when im drunk it pushes the anxiety down but if im sober i can get it, but if im high its so bad i feel like just running away. im considering going to my doctor about this anxiety if i could get some pill to make it go away i think id be alot happier

fb1
03-07-2003, 04:44
I have several friends who have been heavy pot smokers. One attempted suicided (later diagnosed schizophrenic), the other gets severly paranoid when pot and any other drugs are combined.

Echoing the sentements of the thread. If the negative outweighs the positive stay away from pot.

On the topic of "conditioning" yourself to be able to enjoy pot again. I'd say it would be difficult but not impossible. But do you really want to do that? I mean, certainly thats a sign of some sort of drug dependancy. I'd stick to sobriety.

On the topic of social anxiety. I'm a firm beliver in working through your problems. That is to say, i'd recommend against a "pill" that could elivate anxiety. Surely it's much better for your well-being to slowly reintroduce yourself into social circumstances were you feel comfortable. Start off slowly, take your time, reassure yourself and gradually work through your social anxiety. It's not going to be easy, but it will benefit you in countless other ways, much better than taking benzos or whatever.

:)

PottedMeat
05-07-2003, 08:13
Also, you should keep a few benzo's on hand in case you start to freak out. The paranoia does not stem directly from the weed (hence your friends were ok) it stems from the environment you are in, potency of the herb etc. Just try to concentrate on having a good time and relax...relax. An herb buzz is like a wave and you are a surfer; chill out and rid that mother in. Before you know it you will hit the beach and be ready to grab another wave.%) Party on !

SkiNLaB
06-07-2003, 06:04
i think i posted in here b4, saying that i usually get paranoid 2. but i finally had a great experience smoking, and it was definatley the company and setting i was in.

It was the morning after a night of rolling, and i was taken aback, thought the world had disapeared and shit, but it was just funny, i didnt care. so i'm stoked!

vidavibra
07-07-2003, 08:00
Originally posted by alostlittlebird


My advice: Slow down that busy mind. Instead of trying to build an expectation or force a feeling, just let things happen. Be natural - do not worry about feeling good or bad, but instead let comfort and tranquility be your guide. Good things will follow.

what a positive message! I always try to do this.

alostlittlebird
07-07-2003, 10:35
;)

shubs
09-07-2003, 08:13
everytime you smoke, take 10mg valium.



=D

knicks
26-07-2003, 00:27
I used to smoke pot heavily. I used to take Acid on a fairly basis. I had a bad trip one time, my last time trip'd too. After that, not imeadatily but with in a year or so pot would start to gine me anxiety attacks. I used too love to smoke too. Now, when I smoke a get anxiety, I feel like I am going real fast, Its so uncomfortable that I cannot wait until the high goes away. I can take 1 toke and feel this way. Once I had two tokes of a J, I started to feel real fast, I wanted it to stop so I had to take a shower and concitrate and assure myself that it would stop. Its sucks because I used to love it and I can get good shit. I wish I could fix it, I would say it gives me anxiety, parinoa, NO! I could really care less if someone thinks I am high.

antigod
26-07-2003, 02:01
I haven't seen this mentioned yet: the type of cannabis you are smoking is a BIG determinant in whether your high comes with or without anxiety.

Sativa is the weed that gets your mind high and gives you energy. Sativa is more psychedelic then Indica. Paranoia is much more common on Sativa.
I find it is difficult to sleep on good Sativa. Sativa doesn't make me tired after it wears off, I simply return to sobriety.

Indica weed gives a narcotic body high. If you get "stoned" after smoking, and feel no need to move, you smoked a mostly Indica strain. The smoke is usually thicker and expands more in your lungs... if you are coughing up a lung each hit, it's probably Indica. Indica is usually more potent by weight then Sativa. Indica effects the mind less then Sativa, and thus causes less paranoia or anxiety. Indica puts me to sleep very easily. If I smoke Indica during the day, I'll usually get burnt out afterwards and need a nap. Indica is considered more medicinal--- medical marijuana patients get Indica weed.

Basically, I think you should try to find a different strain of weed. If you can find a nice potent Indica, you will probably relax a whole lot more then on a Sativa, which is a step in the right direction... Also, try smoking alone. I usually get quiet and anxious if I smoke around other people. Smoking alone makes me less paranoid and enables me to enjoy my altered mindstate. Once you start liking getting high again, then you can make it a social activity.

frizzantik
26-07-2003, 03:27
Originally posted by Brilliant_Frenzy
Questions:

1. Is it possible to be negatively conditioned concerning pot? Since I've had that first negative experience, I seem to go into that same mindset: things are going to be bad; the entire high scares me, especially the time distortions.

2. If negative conditioning exists, is it possible to recondition yourself to have positive experiences again? I mean, I would like to smoke pot again if it was a positive experience. I'm not sure if this would be effective, or how I could go about this. Does anyone have any suggestions?

3. Would my former coke problem affect my present pot experiences? I'm pretty sure pot and coke affect different neurotransmitters, but could the after effects of my coke use cause problems with pot?

4. Finally, I've never had bad trips on other psychedelics (acid, shrooms, ketamine); it's just been pot. Whenever I smoke pot, it's like a mini-acid trip. Whereas most people relax, it seems to make me (now) uptight and very anxious.

Purpose:

The purpose of this post was to get any suggestions as to how I might have a positive pot experience again, and to explain why I may have negative experiences now.



1. Yes. In general once you've had a panic attack or just anxious feelings, it is much easier to get them again. Commonly you set youself up by worrying about if you are gonna feel paranoid, hence making yourself paranoid

2. Yes. It may be difficult but you can 'recondition' yourself. Try taking smaller hits, and only smoking when you feel totally comfortable. Don't smoke in large groups with people you don't know or places that don't make you feel good. Having something to do once you get stoned will help keep your mind from having a chance to wander to freaky thoughts.

3. Maybe. I've never done cocaine but still get paranoid.

4. Marijuana is a psychedelic. It isnt as powerful as acid or mushrooms but it can cause you to have a "trip".


As Antigod said, the type of pot you are smoking makes a big difference. Depending on the person, you may perfer a sativa (energetic) or indica (couchlock) type high. Personally a strong Indica dominant bud makes me more paranoid than sativa. Sativa buds make me feel focused and energized, while indica buds make me feel braindead and unfocused, which makes me anxious.

These days a lot of pot floating around the US is canadian commerical bud which i find often causes me paranoia. It is hard to control what kind of pot you are smoking when you are just an occasional smoker; even I have a hard time getting other stuff and i smoke all the time! Ask your dealer or shop around.


Anxiety is a nasty bitch.. it sneaks up on you and then you feel trapped. You start thinking these automatic negative thoughts (ANTs) and things spiral out of control. The adrenaline starts pumping, making you even more jumpy and anxious. Remember that nothing bad has happened to you every other time you've felt that way, and this time is likely no different. When that uncomforable feeling comes over you, don't try to run from it, confront it. ask yourself why you feel this way. if there is no reason, tell youself this. Tell youself these feelings are going away as quickly as they came. Squish those ANTs hehe.

One thing that i've found really helps is to breath in for 4 seconds, hold it for 7 and then breath out for 8. It really calms you down and clears your mind of negative thoughts. A lot of the time i only need to do one set of 4-7-8 and i'm a cool cucumber.

This is probably the most common question on BL about marijuana. do a search for "marijuana anxiety" or "marijuana paranoia" and you'll find lots of advice.

i recommend against using benzos just because they'll just make you more anxious later


bottom line: only smoke when you feel totally comfortable. Don't focus on the negative but don't try to 'run' from it either. If you get hit with the fear, don't worry, it'll pass.

neon_utopia
26-07-2003, 03:46
the only way to cure anxiety is accepting it.. when your stoned, use reverse psychology like " nah man anxiety is fun!" and start laughing cause your paranoid.. the only way i cured bad trips on pot is to laugh at the whole situation and then things will slowly get better and you'll appreciate like your first few times..

:)

Dan1584
26-07-2003, 06:45
Is it safe to assume that if one now experiences paranoia (anxiety) while smoking pot that they will also experience paranoia (anxiety) on other psychedelics like Mushrooms and LSD?

frizzantik
26-07-2003, 07:18
^^ not always. smoking pot while tripping would make it more likely though.


If you have anxiety in your regular life, without pot, then I would avoid psychedelics

knicks
26-07-2003, 17:07
I have no anxiety unless I smoke pot. And hell no, I would never trip because I know I would freak my self out.

Dan1584
27-07-2003, 01:12
I have every day anxiety and I'm planning on doing mushrooms within the next month, I haven't done any drugs since april and I haven't done any major psychs since last October (that was BEFORE I got every day anxiety)

So I don't know how mushrooms will effect me...I'm going to go for it, I hope it goes good....but I'm worried and I'm more worried that my worryness is going to put me in a more negative mindset to begin with....grrrr...I just wanna enjoy tripping its been sooooooooooo long.

Any predictions or suggestions on what I should do?

SkiNLaB
28-07-2003, 10:52
Originally posted by neon_utopia
the only way to cure anxiety is accepting it.. when your stoned, use reverse psychology like " nah man anxiety is fun!" and start laughing cause your paranoid.. the only way i cured bad trips on pot is to laugh at the whole situation and then things will slowly get better and you'll appreciate like your first few times..

:)

yeh, i agree, just laugh at it thinking, haha i must be so f**ked to think that everyone is [insert paranoia here].

Biff Loman
19-10-2003, 18:15
Moving to Cannabis Discussion

SoN_of_SaMurAi
19-10-2003, 18:48
Any predictions or suggestions on what I should do?

Start on a low(ish) dose. You don't wanna completely lose your mind on a large dose of shrooms.

srw96
20-10-2003, 05:32
I smoked pot for over a year with no problems. Always fun trips or at the very least a way to cure my boredom.

All of a sudden one day, after smoking LOTS everyday for months I just had this HORRIBLE high. The paranoia, the anxiety, and the torturous racing heart all just fed on each other to make me miserable. This continued, often accompanied by horrible body shaking and trembling, almost every time I smoked for about a month. Obviously my body was telling me take a break... so I did. ... for about a few months. .. most of summer.

All the while my friends were still smoking everyday so that kinda sucked for me. But it gave me a chance to clear my head and realise the paranoia was all in my head.

Anyway at the end of summer I smoked again and things weren't like they were when I first started smoking, but things were definately better. I found I needed to smoke a lot less pot to get high. In fact the more I smoked the more paranoid I would get. Just a few hits here and there would be the perfect amount. So try maybe taking a break, and smoking less... sounds simple enough. It definately worked for me.

Oh, and another thing... whenver I would get the anxiety attacks, the ONLY thing that would help me through it quickly was sex. hahaaha. It works though, I promise :)

ChemicalSmiles
20-10-2003, 23:02
Weed makes a majority of people paranoid on occaision. (If smoked often) imo

-Wayne

Oacosta
21-10-2003, 07:15
A Pot Smoker is Busted Every 45 Seconds -- and You Wonder Why We're Paranoid.

The_Masochrist
16-11-2003, 12:24
"the mind is a powerfull place it can make a heaven of hell and a hell of heaven" satan

hodgE podgE
16-11-2003, 21:01
After you've started to notice anxiety, I think it is really difficult to teach yourself not to be anxious about the anxiety. After I first began having panic attacks, I was terrified of them, which, in turn, would cause more.

One thing that really helps is to simply realize that physically, you are totally fine. The odds are good that you are not going to have a heart attack, you are not going to lose control of yourself, and you are not going to die. In fact, when you realize that nothing bad is truly going to happen to you, as you are more than likely sitting on your ass getting stoned, much of your anxiety will diminish.

I have had problems much the way many of the people in here have, and think that it shows that a great many of us really never built up any skills for dealing with stress effectively. Stress coping skills and relaxation skills are essential to anyone, with or without disturbing anxiety, as it allows you to live a happier, healthier life :D

hodgE podgE

Mercy420
17-11-2003, 02:37
I used to get anxiety a lot when I smoked. Small quantities I could handle in stride, but I'd often find myself feeling pressured to smoke more and more, with a certain group of people, which would invariably lead to insane paranoia.

As with everything, though, you get more experienced with it, and you learn to tell when the next cone is going to send you into the world of friends plotting against you, feeling your own heart leaking and evil creatures lurking in your skin. *cough*

But for me, it took quite a while, and I had to develop ways of dealing with the paranoia and anxiety when they would kick in, and it's amazing how well that reverse psychology stuff works, as with meditation (yes, you can do this without being taught specifically how..) and other drugs can be useful in helping determine the extent to which pot messes with your mind, and how much your mind messes with itself.

As hodge said, learning to relax, destress and unwind are all really useful with or without weed. Particularly if you have other 'problems' in life.

Mercy

Sozza
17-11-2003, 11:27
I have suffered SO badly exactly what everyone has said, and it sucks too, because every once in a while you will have a great "stone" and you won't even get head fucked.

but anyway, i'm going to test a theory soon, i think that now i have read all of this, i will have alot more ammunition in my mind to fight off negative thoughts, i am also keen to get stoned again to "battle" my anxiety head on, either i win or lose, at least i'll now

great thread, made me feel normal:D

trumpundarn
11-01-2004, 18:49
it's a difficult question, this.. i usually only experience the negative sides of marijuana a few days after the last time i smoked.(my brain is full of it all the time) since i am what the swedish authorities would call a chronic user, having been arrested and fined for use of hasch a while ago, i started noticing that so many aspects come to play with at least my head during but especially after a "high period".
i mean, life situation, social pressure, memories bad or good, and the good old swedish tendency towards depression and anxiety. psychedelic drugs and basic psychology goes hand in hand i believe, the rush you get shows who you are, and what you fear, if you see what i'm getting at?

Anyway, my problem isn't anxiety during the high, it's when i get back into the normal consciousness that my spirit seems broken in some way i cen't explain.

THC Ridder
12-01-2004, 16:33
Try smoking just a * very little * bit....if you think "this wasn't enough, I feel nothing" then you have the right dose. I mean a ridiculously low dose. Sit down, relax, and wait for the peak to come (usually 5 or 10 minutes after you have smoked). It will be a gentle, high, light, feeling. If you liked it, you may try a larger dose. I myself don't like the 'fucked up' feeling, I like the light and euforic effects of low doses of cannabis (preferbly hash because the hash high is cleaner than the weed high).

Liquid SNake
12-01-2004, 16:41
well if u get paranoid then why keep smokin it...if i was u i woujld juss keep on doing other stuff...u said uve tried ecstacy before so why don't u juss keep that up....plus it lasts longer

Kings
10-01-2005, 18:33
when i smoke pot i always end up in my own world of doom and fear. it's like my soul is no longer part of my body. i'm a different person in the same body and that scares me
my senses are gone and sometimes i start shaking

one time i was totally drunk and i smoked some pot and it didn't happen, i was just really stoned and funny but i wasn't in this total state of fear, it was just fun

i'm from europe so sorry for my bad english
i hope someone can give me good advice

dpuff
10-01-2005, 20:13
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brilliant_Frenzy

After smoking that summer, I went to college and smoked in that environment. Things changed. I began to get paranoid, suspicious of people (I thought they were talking about me), and was very judgemental of myself.
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same that happend to me. my advice is stop smoking. from what ive heard from others and in my case theres no way back. if you start getting bad trips time after time theres like something has been triggered in your brain. some people smoke all their lives without any problem. im currently on zyprexa and lamictal cause of a psychosis three years ago. im not the same anymore but still it caused me to straighten my life up and i dont regret anything cause of that. i hope youll make the right decision. i dont know you but it sounds that you should quit smoking.

CandyCoated
10-06-2005, 23:32
before reading this i thought i was the only one in the world to feel like that.

my first "freak out" as i like to call them was when my b/f and i were smoking in my room ( not unnormal ), all of a sudden i started to feel like i was dying. seriously my heart was racing and i couldn't stop thinking of these bad and horrible thoughts. all i could think was to go to sleep and just sleep it off. well i tried and my mind would not stop wondering into the worst. so i called my friend because my b/f was too stoned, and i thought he was dead with me. so i called her and she asked if i had any anxiety pills i mysteriously had one so i took it and i talked with her through the whole thing ( venus i love you).

2nd time was when i was completely surrounded with my best and most trusted friends. we popped in pee wee's big aventure and before i knew it it was the seen with the "contraption" as i like to call it. i remember saying "oh no contraptions are bad" and all of a sudden i got that horrible feeling all over again. my friends were trying to calm me down. my heart was racing, and i was very hot, but shaking at the same time. at one part i aked my b/f to feel my pulse to see how fast it was, he must be retarted or an asshole, because he told me " i dont know i dont feel anything" so of course at this time as i was feeling like i was dying i thought for sure. thats it i am dead but why can they still talk to me??? so my friends turned it off and nursed me through the entire thing. later that night i was feeling much better, i even got my munchies back and got some mcdonalds!!

can anyone tell me why besides its a psch./ and tbe stress that causes me to feel so bad that i think that i am dying?? anyones help would be MUCH appreciated!!!
thank you for reading my sad and pathetic words (candy coated)8o

ezbakeoven
12-06-2005, 01:38
i get really paranoid too. i was arrested about 5 months ago and since then i can only smoke in my one spot at my house because its my safehaven and i know i wont get caught there. i recommend finding you own safe spot where you can feel protected and not be afraid of getting in trouble.

ezbakeoven
12-06-2005, 01:40
as for you candycoated, its important to know if each time you smoke the same weed. if so, the weed could have been laced causing the adversly paranoid reaction.

mY n4me iS mUd
12-06-2005, 03:09
I've found that if you have a problem with pot anxiety, it's a lot easier to smoke when you're drunk. It usually gets rid of all those nasty bugger paranoia waves.

SM0k3
12-06-2005, 07:55
Originally posted by mY n4me iS mUd
I've found that if you have a problem with pot anxiety, it's a lot easier to smoke when you're drunk. It usually gets rid of all those nasty bugger paranoia waves.

word, normally if i feel anxiety coming on after smoking a lot of weed ill take a shot or 2 of some hard liquor and ill be greatly relaxed and calm.


I have somewhat of a anxiety problem sober but it has GREATLY reduced to were its not even a problem for me anymore. Actually when i started smoking weed it started to decrease.

wesmdow
13-06-2005, 01:00
Originally posted by Brilliant_Frenzy
Situation:

Last weekend I smoked a little pot with some friends. One friend packed two bowls in a water bong, of which I smoked about 3 small puffs out of each bowl. The pot was fairly high quality. I tried to smoke only a little because I tend to get paranoid when I smoke pot. The environment was as follows: my friends live in an apartment on the first floor; the patio doors and blinds were open; people were there that I've never met before; my friends brought up the fact that the neighbors had called the police during a pervious party concerning noise--they've never had any legal problems, the police just asked them to turn the volume down. For entertainment, a friend of theirs turned Children of the Corn and Halloween Five on, which freaked me out. My reactions were as follows: I became very very quiet; I didn't say anything, I just became really quiet and nervous.

Background:

Pot was not the first drug I tried. I tried e, acid, and hydrocodone before pot. When I first tried pot (about three summers ago) I found it enjoyable: I got giddy, euphoric, and laughed a lot. I noticed time distortions when I first started smoking, but I found them interesting.

After smoking that summer, I went to college and smoked in that environment. Things changed. I began to get paranoid, suspicious of people (I thought they were talking about me), and was very judgemental of myself.

Ever since then (the first paranoid college pot experience), I've ALWAYS had bad pot "trips."

Also, I should mention that I have anxiety issues and that I've had a coke problem in the past. I've not done coke in a long time, and this has been the first time I've done pot in almost a year.

Questions:

1. Is it possible to be negatively conditioned concerning pot? Since I've had that first negative experience, I seem to go into that same mindset: things are going to be bad; the entire high scares me, especially the time distortions.

2. If negative conditioning exists, is it possible to recondition yourself to have positive experiences again? I mean, I would like to smoke pot again if it was a positive experience. I'm not sure if this would be effective, or how I could go about this. Does anyone have any suggestions?

3. Would my former coke problem affect my present pot experiences? I'm pretty sure pot and coke affect different neurotransmitters, but could the after effects of my coke use cause problems with pot?

4. Finally, I've never had bad trips on other psychedelics (acid, shrooms, ketamine); it's just been pot. Whenever I smoke pot, it's like a mini-acid trip. Whereas most people relax, it seems to make me (now) uptight and very anxious.

Purpose:

The purpose of this post was to get any suggestions as to how I might have a positive pot experience again, and to explain why I may have negative experiences now.

BTW:

I should have included this in the original post. I was also drinking (two drinks with rum and Dr. Pepper) and did a few poppers. Ok, for those who don't know what poppers are. It's slang from Amyl Nitrate, but I'm pretty sure the stuff people buy around here isn't Amyl Nitrate. You go into a store and ask for "Video Head Cleaner." It's a liquid that comes in a small brown vial, and you inhale the vapors quickly then put the cap back on. To be honest, I'm not sure what the stuff actually is. I don't think it's Amyl because I think that's illegal in this state. Anyway, it produces a "rush" for about 10 seconds then you're back to normal. I don't think the alcohol or poppers contributed to the paranoia, because I wasn't really drunk and I only did a few poppers. Also, like I said before, I've always gotten paranoid on pot since that first bad experience.

the answers to all of your questions are the same: its all in YOUR head, its what you make of it. if you really dont dig pot then so be it. paranoia of pot is nothing compared to what ive felt from uppers...

and not to preach, but those 'poppers' are sooooo bad for you. you really shouldnt do those...