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EieltsMnM
26-11-2001, 16:55
Hi guys,
I wonder why some people sell shit in pills
like PMA and GHB,.. i mean... if i want
PMA or GHB i´ll ask for that,... and i know
that its less expensive to produce,..
But if you want to screw me,.. just sell
me an asparin instead of PMA or GHB,... you
can die from that shit,... If all the dealers
that like to screw people sell asparin and
say its XTC i have peace with it... but
NOT PMA or GHB shit, its deadly man!
When ya damn dealers start to think??
An dead user cannot come back for more!
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FRANCA56
26-11-2001, 17:09
everyone asks this question and the answer is pretty simple. Its a messed up world. Sad but true. A lot of times the dealer doesnt even know what is in the pills that they are selling nor do they care.
test all your pills!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AcidBurn
27-11-2001, 00:11
theres no GHB in pills sold as ecstasy

La_casper
27-11-2001, 01:11
i think you are refering to the people who actually press the pills together....
WHY????
cause they are only in it for the money! why do people cut coke with iso-tal(sp?), b-12, etc.? why do people re-rock coke with crystal? why do people take the time to turn coke into crack?
it is all easy....money!!!!
if you have say 100g of MDA,MDMA powder ready to press, which you are thinking you will get 20--50 pills out of that...oh and here is this gram of k sittin here, or whatever, speed......and when you mix it all together you will get more like 50-100 pills out of....more pills more money!
that is why they do it.....but......
there are some chemist that will do it with a slight cut of k/speed/dxm..cause they still want you to be happy, and come back for more, and this is why some pills will have 50% MDMA, cause they are not trying to kill you, but just stretch their investment farther. not saying it is right but it is fact.
then there are the ones that basiclly and usually do not know how to actually make MDMA, but they know how to configure a pill press with a little of high school shop backround, and they figure with some kool-aid, and some crushed up mini thins, they can make a killing, and just say fuck all the kids that buy them. same as the 100%PMA, and DXM pills...they are just sick and want to buy the latest big screens and shit that are out..
and lastlly, if you are referring to the dealers that got stuck with some of these bad pills....honestlly, it is nothing against the buyer but there is no return policy when it comes to drugs, if there connection sticks them with 2000 bunk pills, that they paid for..then YES it is true they are gonna pass them on...sorry but it is true..
always test you pills, carry a plate and tester in your car, it is legal you know?
casper

Kinetic_E
27-11-2001, 03:24
Excuse me!
100g MDMA= one thousand 100mg pills
100g MDMA= eight hundred 125mg pills
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La_casper
27-11-2001, 03:33
ohhhhh don't get me wrong, i am not a chemist and i do not make them myself...so as far as the 100g etc. etc.....i was simply just making an example of why they do what they do.....
sorry
casper

snap
27-11-2001, 07:31
When I see pills that are poorly pressed and contain little colored chips and specs I like to pass on those pills whenever possible. There are too many half strength pills made from good pills crushed up with filler and poorly pressed into low quality pills going around. The best way to improve quality is to refuse to buy poor quality pills and to test all pills before buying. The only way to stop this bullshit is to encourage friends to stop making it so easy for the dealers ripping us off.

Kubly
27-11-2001, 09:25
All pills need some sort of filler, without a filler the pill would NOT stay together and would be pretty small.
There is never GHB in pills, GHB is uaually is liquid form, only time you will see in it poweder frm is if it's pharm. strength from overseas.
Usually those specks are just filler.

Technical User
27-11-2001, 09:30
MONEY just MONEY

EieltsMnM
27-11-2001, 12:29
Sorry Kubly and Acidburn, but you´re wrong..
Past week here in the NETHERLANDS there
were people that died from pills that
contained GHB... and the newspapers,
television and police don´t lie in this
country. If you can catch a Dutch newspaper
like ALGEMEEN DAGBLAD... read.. there
are pills here in circulation WITH GHB in it!
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JB
27-11-2001, 15:12
Yeah I was just about to post about that. There are pills with GHB in. A friend got a batch of two tone pills, the top tested MDMA the bottom didn't change coulor but when done subjectively by its self had the effects of ghb. We where told they where MDMA+GHB pills with a drop of liquid LSD on top. I'm sure they where to. If you think I'm talking bollocks and you think you've seen everything in your time your wrong.

HydrA
27-11-2001, 17:16
"If you think I'm talking bollocks and you think you've seen everything in your time your wrong."
lets not start a flame war, and make me close this http://www2.bluelight.ru/ubb/smile.gif
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EieltsMnM
27-11-2001, 19:30
Correction to hydra :
We're NOT flaming... we're just saying
the guys who tell diffrent are WRONG.
There's a lot of diffrence with flaming or
telling that someone's wrong. And some
people still don't understand what we are
saying so we say it the hard way.
And those moderators who think they
know all about it, shouldnt be moderators
anymore there are DEFINATELY pills with GHB
in it,anyone who speaks against that should
take some pills from me and see what
happens...
"Eeehm..., No GHB in it?"
"Then, why you're dead now?"
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EieltsMnM
27-11-2001, 19:32
Oh yeah, 1 more thing, :
Closing this thread???
With other words :
"We don't like to be said we're wrong,
but we know we are... sorry."
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La_casper
27-11-2001, 19:37
well i am gonna have to agree with someone that yes all pills do have a filler in them, i may be wrong also, but i have been told that some of the fillers are sugar bassed to get them to hold together, but this is just hear say.
but that still does not make it ok for people to mix k and speed, etc. etc. in them...and now i guess GHB, i did not know this , but i do know that you can make GHB in a powder form, so i do believe it. i once got some yellow/beige nikes, that when tested they had no color change, when sent to dancesafe, it came back as aderall(sp?)..perfect press, perfect swoosh...now that to me was uncalled for!!!!
casper

pinger
27-11-2001, 23:47
Well, considering you need 2 to 3 grams of pure powder for an active dose of GHB, they would have to be some big ass pills, like the size of a cookie.
And to get an OD level of GHB, well times that by a two to three.
Do you have any links for that newspaper? Sometimes newspapers aren't the bastion of correct ecstasy information......

xMemnonx
28-11-2001, 00:01
lol @ pinger - people are always so quick to trust the media.
*sigh*
when will they learn - the media is one of the drug community's enemies.

JosephTHeSequel
28-11-2001, 00:18
Can you provide a link or something to this source Eilts?
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pinger
28-11-2001, 06:42
Also the fact that GHB in it's stable salt form is hygroscopic (has tendency to absorb moisture) would mean not only would this thing have to be the size of an fucking Oreo cookie, it would also be a very wet Oreo.

Craig_Ez
28-11-2001, 06:49
Stupid people do stupid things espacially if theres money involved

EieltsMnM
28-11-2001, 10:33
Yes, the source is the newspaper here...
called : ALGEMEEN DAGBLAD... it says that
3 people died from pills with GHB.. ask
it to DUTCH people.. they all know it.
And for Pinger --> The active doses for
GHB is just a little under the doses for OD.
For joseph :
Ya see the truth is, everybody wants to know how close me and snoop is,.. and who im still cool with.
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[This message has been edited by EieltsMnM (edited 28 November 2001).]

JosephTHeSequel
28-11-2001, 21:37
Right on dog! Im glad someone else on this board likes rap!
[This message has been edited by JosephTHeSequel (edited 28 November 2001).]

Chris_nl
28-11-2001, 23:52
im afraid to tell you,
but there wasn't ghb in the pills
the ppl who died (i thought it was 1 right?) were partying straight for over 100 hours with 4-5 pills and a vial of ghb!
i hope this info is correct because i double checked it.
[This message has been edited by Chris_nl (edited 28 November 2001).]

pinger
29-11-2001, 04:52
EieltsMnM,
I'm afraid you are wrong about the OD statement. It is true that GHB has a fickle, and steep cumulative dose curve, but overdose levels are not usually encountered until 2 to 3 times the usual dose is taken. Normal doses are between 1 and 3 grams. Overdose (ie sleep or worse) usually occurs in the range of 5 grams and up.
Many people get themselves in trouble due to the steep cumulative dose curve, and re-dose themselves whilst still under the influence. In overdose situations, alcohol or other CNS depressants are often involved as well.
From Erowid, www.erowid.com (http://www.erowid.com)


GHB Dosage
Alcohol withdrawal treatment .15 g (3 times daily)
Light .5 - 1.5 g
Common 1 - 2.5 g
Strong 2 - 3.5 g
Can induce heavy sleep 3 - 5 g
Overdose 5 - 10 g
Poisoning (Risk of Death) 10+ g
Caution : Values are for pure GHB powder NOT LIQUID !!
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ghb/images/duration_chart_ghb.gif
The common weight range for ecstasy pills is 200-300 mg. To get an active dose 2 to 3 grams of GHB in a pill would require a pill on average 10 times as large and heavy as usual.
I can't, without the aid of lab analysis of said pill, say that there was no GHB present in the pills in question. But if they were normal size pills pressed into tabs, then 200 to 300 mg of GHB wont do shit, and you'll have to eat them like M&M's to get yourself in trouble.
And if they were the oreo sized pills I was mentioning earlier, well, clearly they must have known they were not ecstasy.
The most likely scenario was that previously mentioned- that they had been caning it with a bunch of pills, and also taking GHB from a vial in liquid form as well at the time.
And why do people put shit in pills? Because despite the internet, despite chemical testers, despite horror stories, and despite all our efforts here at bluelight, some people refuse to help themselves or to accept responsibility for harm minimisation.
Test your pills people!

Biscuit
29-11-2001, 07:01
As a fellow Australian i can confirm Pinger's supreme knowledge on GHB. Everything he said is once again spot on and u would do yourself a favour if u listened to it, instead of blindy quoting media articles or even lab results.
There MAY be cocaine in pills, but it essentially does nothing when taken orally. There MAY be GHB in pills sold as ecstasy (i.e the pills weigh at MOST 400-500mg) but it would DEFINITELY do nothing if taken orally.
GHB is actually a powder; it aint a liquid. If it is then its GHB powder dissoved in water or a close chemical relative, GBL, which is a liquid, generally diluted in water.

EieltsMnM
29-11-2001, 10:01
I don´t think so, the person who died
ate 2 pills with ghb,... and not like
M&M´s... that would be stupid, everyone
knows how dangoures GHB is, and i know
someone who´s an expert in Medical Druguse,
and told me about the ghb,... that the
active dosage is a lil under OD...
I don´t mind what you people believe, im
only trying to tell u that its dangoures,
and anyone speaking against me... go and
have some ghb pills,...
Then lets see how long you live
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Drugs Like Me"
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29-11-2001, 13:22
Feel free to tell us what you "know", excuse us while we laugh at you. The LD50 for GHB is about 30 times the normal dose. Most estimates are 1.1 to 2.5 grams (orally) per kg of body weight. So a minimum lethal dose would be at least 10 grams. 10 grams of 99.95% pure GHB powder will not fit into a matchbox. That is too much to fit into a pill. And the powder is hydroscopic, it attracts and absorbs water. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A GHB PILL!
If you actually have any facts then please do post them. But don't bother to post more of your uninformed bullshit here.
Harry

EieltsMnM
29-11-2001, 14:30
You´re dead if you take a matchbox full of ghb?? Yeah, sure you´ll be dead by then.
You die from even smaller amounts,
i´d say, believe what you would like to
believe, but i know for SURE that you die
from smaller amounts, cause here died a
girl(28) from 1 capsule... If you think
you only die by 10 or higher.. i think
you allready taken to much, time to see
the docter!
Anyway, the discussion about OD of ghb
can be ended, this has nothing to do with
the topic!
Believe what you want, cause someday
you´ll take a pill, after that you´re in
heaven thinking: "shit, im so stupid
I should have listened to the persons at
bluelight who are smarter than me".
----------GHB OD DISCUSSION ENDED---------
Look at the topic, if you have a respons to
the topic, please post,.. if you have
another BS-story about "i can take as much
GHB as i want, i won´t die from it" Go away.
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29-11-2001, 23:17
Have you ever actually even seen GHB powder? I somehow doubt it as you know less than fuck all about the stuff.
A girl died from taking just one capsule of GHB? Bullshit.
Do you have any idea how big that capsule would need to be? At least the size of two shot glasses. I personally take GHB as a sleep aid, my dose is 5.0 grams of powder. This is less than the US FDA approved dose of GHB. That much GHB powder fills a shot glass.
Thank you but I have already seen a doctor. She was the one who suggested I try GHB as a sleep aid. And before you bother posting any more of your shit I suggest you do a search on "Xyrem", you'll find that GHB is now an FDA approved drug (although the original patent holder has been stripped of the patent and instead the US company Orphan medical has been given a patent).
Harry

JosephTHeSequel
29-11-2001, 23:59
Anyways, it does suck that we have to worry about what people are putting in pills.
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EieltsMnM
30-11-2001, 00:25
Yeah yeah harry, you're right, you can take2 kilo ghb without dying,...
Indeed joseph
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"I Don´t Like Drugs,
Drugs Like Me"
"But in the long run these drugs are proberbly gonna catch up sooner or later, but fuck it im on one!" -Eminem
Anyone who wants to talk, or question me... feel free to contact me.. ICQ#12517451
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pinger
30-11-2001, 01:42
Elts,
Did you even bother to look at the links and information provided?
I'm not claiming that GHB is a safe drug, it has enormous abuse potential and it's dosing is often problematic.
It HAS caused many deaths through abuse and mixing with other CNS depressants. But you are not presenting correct information in your argument.
Please read Erowid, Lycaeum, or any other reliable site with accurate information and do some reading.
cheers

rm-rf
30-11-2001, 08:09
ok fuck ghb, fuck k fuck bonding agents, what really sucks is when u get a pill of PURE HEROIN!!!
we had pills (like 10 between 10 ppl) we bought at radiate that were pure heroin. They were stealthaly crafted as Cash Moneys and were very well pressed and imprinted, even stained a little to be an off white. But in the lights of a party like that, ya cant tell what color anythign is.
Man that sucked
i was layin on the floor (happy as fuckin shiiit!) and couldnt move. GOt to make out with two girls tho that owned. But couldnt move. COuldnt talk...just sat there enjoyign life and had a terrible stomach ache, but diddnt care. IT felt too good. But anyways i so would have rather gotten E. Dope suxxors!!!!!!
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Beeebs
30-11-2001, 20:04
Oh really THE WOOD?, thats interesting
::makes jerking off motion::
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EieltsMnM
04-12-2001, 12:05
Yes i did look at the linx, but that isn´t taking away that those substances are FUCKING DEADLY.... and i´ve never heard of pure heroin pills... that´d be more expensive to produce than X,... so i wonder why someone is selling heroin and telling its X
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peakingjester
05-12-2001, 09:17
so what have we learnt,
be sure to trust your dealer, dont buy pills that havnt been tested . . .
and it is easier not to use ghb then argue how dangerous it is !
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Crae
13-12-2001, 21:35
Ok, Im not trying to "flame" anyone on this board, but the last thing you should say is that you are smarter than someone else you have never met, did you ever think that maybe your sources are a little bent outta shape, you say you know a medical expert, in that field many of them will lie about drugs to stop people from taking them.
Example: My friend has Tourette's he was told if he did ANY drug weed,E whatever that it would kill him instantly! another friend of mine is on the SAME EXACT meds and rolls sometimes and smokes everyday, he is perfect!
The point im trying to make is dont assume people are less smarter than you because they dont agree with your views on a certain topic, thats all.
[ 13 December 2001: Message edited by: Crae ]

zorn
13-12-2001, 22:03
Eielts, you're right, it's possibly there could be heroin pill. The fact is it would take about 60 USD worth of dope to make, and here E pills go for much less, so it would uneconomical. Also, Dancesafe and other labs have tested THOUSANDS of pills from all across the world, and NONE of them have EVER been found to contain heroin. So it's highly unlikely that all the people who think they got heroin in a roll actually did so, especially when there are so many other explanations... for example their pill could have contained MDEA or MBDB.
Oh, heroin in pure form is - guess what - a bitter-tasting white crystalline powder, much like almost every other drug. Some heroin you see is indeed a brown powder; some is also black, and some is white. Brown specks in a pill mean nothing. Oh, and it would be possible to make a heroin pill -- it wouldn't take "too much heroin to fit in a pill" as some BL'ers have said. The IV recreational dose is around 10-20mg; the oral dose is about 6 times as high, so 60-120mg, around or less than MDMA.

GiRlRaVeR
13-12-2001, 23:19
Blah Blah Blah.... Drag the shit out enough don't you guys. Calm down and get things straight...

TrippinTreeToker
14-12-2001, 07:21
theres some idiot here in lubbock tx telling me hes gonna have liquid ecstasy, i thought of GHB surely this is what they mean right?

pinger
14-12-2001, 07:38
Yah most likely that the "liquid e" is simply 1,4 butanediol (or similar GHB analogue) costing $5 a pop sold to unsuspecting and uneducated ravers as "pure liquid e" for $20 a go.

CyTwombly
15-12-2001, 01:26
I will not spread false information anymore on bluelight
[ 16 December 2001: Message edited by: HydrA ]