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Contribute if you got some more. No signatures, bumping, or joking around, please.
Feel free to use this in a Bluelight FAQ, this is all written from scratch by me. I will update it with people's responses. This is a constantly-evolving document. Give it a week or two before setting it in stone.
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Please close "guide to bluelight ACRONYMS"
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edited 1pm fri 5/19/00
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TEN THINGS EVERY PERSON ON THIS BOARD SHOULD KNOW
1. Ecstasy is the street name for the drug http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/pihkal/pihkal109.shtml. Typical MDMA content of a good pill is 80-120 mgs. About 60-80% of drugs sold as ecstasy actually contain MDMA. Know your source.
2. If you are on SSRI anti-depressants, do not expect MDMA to work for you.
3. Not everyone on this board is a raver or has been to a rave, nor are they American. There have been a lot of people on this board who are do not fit the archetype of the typical 'raver'. Please don't alienate them, they have rich lives and experiences too. There are some kick-ass beautiful people on this board. Make friends with them and go visit their city to see how they party!
4. Buy a tester and test your pills! The $20 is a ridiculously small price to pay for your health, safety, and enjoyment, not to mention the safety of others.
5. This is a discussion site. Go to a reference site with all your questions and find the answers before asking the community. Do some research, the answers are out there. You don't go to a library and get all your information from people. You get them from the books. The things you cannot find, you turn to people for. Try to give more than you take.
6. You will not get busted just because you post on this site that you have taken drugs. If you want to get busted using this site, then conspire to sell, transfer, manufacture, or posess a large amount of a controlled substance, then give away obvious clues to your location, destination, and appearance.
7. If you just want to dilly dally use Bluelight Chat, don't start dilly dally threads.
8. Invariably, the good, loving vibes on BL get disturbed by psychotic individuals or dramatic situations
outside of anyone's control. Ride it out, keep it chill, mellow, and positive. Don't rock the boat.
9. The threshold dosage of MDMA is around 50-80 mgs., and the amount to achieve the 'desired effect' is around 80-200 mgs. Any more than this is additionally hazardous and should be avoided if at all possible. Your brain has a natural built-in tolerance. Once you flood your brain with stored serotonin, you must regenerate your supplies before you will feel the 'warm, loving' feelings of MDMA. Pick the time and settings carefully. Any more will exacerbate the 'speedy, edgy' side effects of the amphetamine and will damage the synaptic junctions further. MDMA follows the Law of Diminishing Returns, take a long break and get as much out of the experience as you can before you do it again.
10. Pure MDMA use can be very neurotoxic. What is sold as 'ecstasy' can be anything. A healthy, balanced attitude of moderation is necessary if you wish to maximize your experience and to prevent long-term neurological damage. It can also be extremely habit-forming and consuming. Be wise. Misuse may leave you in a state of clinical depression, without friends, in debt, and in prison. Use carefully at your own risk. Poly-drug use is also very dangerous. Before tyring a drug for synergy, try it on its own in a controlled environment. You are responsible for your own life. Your survival is a conscious decision. Your mileage may vary. If it becomes a negative, self-destructive pattern, discontinue use and seek help. It is not worth dying for. I love you and care for you.
TOP MYTHS OF MDMA
1. Ecstasy contains heroin or cocaine.
It is not cost-effective to use heroin or cocaine in ecstasy. It is most likely an entirely different chemical, or an impure reaction in the synth, or your particular body chemistry that is making you feel 'speedy' or 'smacky'.
2. Ecstasy use drains your spinal fluid.
A science journal published an experiment where the spinal fluid of subjects was taken for experimental study. The lower levels of spinal fluid were from the extraction, not the MDMA use.
3. MDMA is exclusively a 'rave' drug or a club drug.
MDMA had a history of use by psychotherapists before it became scheduled in 1985. It's scheduling was fought by a consortium of therapists, psychologists, and consciousness seekers. After it became illegal (and subsequent research), it was driven underground, where it got picked up by the NY gay underground, Ibizan travellers, and the London elite. Today it is still used by a multitude of users, but it is gaining media notoriety due to its dominant role as the dance music drug of choice.
4. Ecstasy is easy to make, i can whip up a batch, make a ton of money and friends, and party my ass off.
MDMA is a Schedule 1 substance, mere possesion of which is a felony. The precursors and glassware involved are watched or controlled by the DEA. The drug is manufactured by local clandestine chemists, but most likely by large-scale foreign operations, then smuggled to your locality of choice. The drug is a cash crop for cash poor countries. This drug is in its zenith of usage, and has been the focus of a recent media blitz and police spree. Especially with the waves of ecstasy pills that are coming from Latin America, Europe, and East Asia, there is a lot of competition, and your couple grams of home brew is nothing compared to the suitcases of stuff that arrive in airports daily. You should not attempt this unless you have 2 solid college years of chemistry, have a very good background on the basics of organic chemistry and laboratory technique, and you think you've got what it takes to obtain illegal precursors, obtain watched precursors under a false pretense, operate a clandestine lab, pull off your reactions without messing up, getting caught, or blowing yourself up, then to clean it up, package your product, and sell it off without attracting attention. Good luck.
5. Ecstasy is a 'mixture' of chemicals.
Street ecstasy can be a mixture of anything. If you don't know your source, you may not know what you are getting. Real ecstasy, however, contains 1 chemical compound - 3, 4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine, 120 milligrams of it.
OVERVIEW OF KITCHEN MDMA SYNTHESIS
1. Distillation: of Natural Oil (sassafras oil, yellow camphor oil) to obtain pure Safrole
2. Rxn: Formaldehyde + Ammonium Chloride -> MethylAmine.HCl
3. Rxn: Safrole -(Wacker Oxidation(PdCl2+Benzoquinone))-> MDP2P
4. Distillation: of Reaction contents to yield pure MDP2P
5. Rxn: MDP2P -(Al/Hg Amalgam (MeAm.HCl) -> MDMA oil
6. Crystallization (MDMA oil + HCl in IPA/Xylene) (anhydrous conditions)
HOW DOES MDMA WORK?
check out the DanceSafe Slideshow.
Basically, MDMA acts as an acute anti-depressant, flooding your synapses with serotonin, the neurotransmitter responsible for feelings of happiness and contentment.
WHEN DOES NEUROTOXICITY OCCUR?
Basically, when there is not enough serotonin to bind to the serotonn receptor sites and dopamine fills in instead, the synaptic junction is damaged. This is my understanding of it, i will search for a clearer explanation. Or please provide me one.
DRUGS COMMONLY SOLD AS MDMA
DXM - dextromethorphan, the active dissociative drug (also cough suppressant) in Robitussin. Very DANGEROUS to mix with MDMA, has led to one confirmed death and many bad trips.
4-MTA - "flatliners" 4-MethylThioAmphetamine - Potent 5HT (serotonin) releaser and MAO inhibitor sold as ecstasy, responsible for 3 deaths in Europe.
PMA - paramethoxyamphetamine, deadly amphetamine sold as ecstasy
Caffeine - active ingredient in coffee
DOB - bromo-STP.
Methyl Salicylate - Oil of Wintergreen
Speed, amphetamine
Ketamine, a veterinary anaesthetic
Ephedrine / Pseudoephedrine - Ma Huang, Sudafed, trucker's speed, Mini-thins
GHB, gammahydroxybutrate, 'liquid ecstasy' - chemical composition / neurological effect is nothing like MDMA, this is just a marketing ploy.
MDXX COMPOUNDS COMMONLY SOLD AS MDMA
MDA - 3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine
MDE - 'eve' N-Ethyl-3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine
DRUGS COMMONLY COMBINED ('FLIPPED') WITH MDMA
MDMA + Ketamine hydrochloride
MDMA + GHB
MDMA + LSD 'candyflipping'
MDMA + Psilocybin mushrooms 'hippy flipping', 'MX missile'
MDMA + Speed
MDMA + 2-CB / Nexus, 'nexusflipping' 'bee-flipping'
MDMA + Nicotene
MDMA + Acohol
PRELOADING / POSTLOADING REGIMENTS
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BLUELIGHT / NET TERMS
BL - Bluelight
PLUR - peace, love, unity, respect
FAQ - frequently asked questions
ASAP - as soon as possible
IMHO - in my honest/humble opinion
WTF? - what the fuck?
LOL - laughing out loud OR lots of love
LMAO - laughing my ass off
ROTFLMAO - rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
A/S/L - age, sex, location
S/O - significant other (boyfriend, girlfriend)
(n/t) - the subject line is the message
ROAR - right of admission refusal
Troll - a non-person who spends their energy disrupting the normal flow of the Bluelight community

DRUG ACRONYMS & NAMES
A - acid, LSD, liquid, doses, blotter
C - Cocaine Hydrochrloride, yayo, blow, a CNS stimulant
Candyflip - ingesting MDMA & LSD
Contraindications - combinations of two different chemicals that are hazardous to the body, e.g. MDMA & MAOI's
E - ecstasy, MDMA, X, XTC, Adam
G - GHB, gammahydroxybutrate
GS -gas spectrometer, a method of pill testing
HTP, 5HTP - 5 hydroxytryptophan, a health food supplement that is a
precursor to the neurotransmitter serotonin, which plays a huge role in our rolls. Combines with carboxylase to form 5HT (serotonin). Is sold as a natural anti-depressant.
J - a joint, a marijuana cigarette, a blunt
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K - Ketamine Hydrochloride, kitty, Special K, a dissociative drug
MAOI - MonoAmine Oxidase Inhibitors, group of drugs that is dangerous to take with MDMA and prescription drugs.
MDXX - a member of the methylenedioxy group, e.g. MDMA, MDA, MDE
SJW - Saint John's Wort, an herbal anti-depressant, also a MAO inhibitor.
THC - tetrahydrocannibanol, the main psychoactive ingredient in marijuana
TLC - think-layer chromotography, a method of pill testing.

TYPES OF DRUG EFFECTS
Dissociative - disconnects mental reality from physical
Empathetic - connect with others
Entactogenic - "feeling from within"
Psychedelic - "soul manifesting"
Sedative - relaxing
Stimulant - energizing

A QUICK GUIDE TO NEUROTRANSMITTERS
dopamine -
norepinephrine - altertness and energy
adrenaline -
serotonin -
A QUICK GUIDE TO BASIC CHEMISTRY TERMS
methyl/meth -
ethyl/eth -
phenyl/phen -
amine -
carbo -
oxy -
hydro -
benzo -
ketone -
amyl -
nitrate -
reaction -
reduction -
oxidation -
acidic -
basic -
aqueous - water
anhydrous - 'without water'
Merck Index - the Merck is a dictionary of thousands of chemicals, listing their structure, basic chemical and pharmacological properties and pointers to synthesis and more detailed info. It's truly the chemist's bible.
MDMA, RAVING TERMS
Marquis Reagent / EZ-tester - a compound that will distinguish between MDXX compounds (black/purple) and speed, 2-CB, DXM (smoking), and inactive compounds. Marquis reagent is made up of formaldehyde, sulphuric acid and methanol. Be careful when handling it.
Local terms for MDMA - beans, rolls, pills, caps, tabs, mollies, kandy, bikies, biscuits, bombs
Mollies, molecules - small pure tablets with minimal filler and adulterants, also capsules filled with MDMA powder
Blowing up - to feel a mind/body orgasm, usually aided by a fellow roller
Rolling - to be feeling the effects of ecstasy, sometimes in rolling waves
8UP / Cracked Out - Florida/SoCal terms for the tired, burnt feeling after hours, days of partying and consumption
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Sticks - cylaume glowsticks, lightsticks
Lightshow - to move sticks in a manner so enhance the visual field of a "rolling" person
E-pression, Tuesday blues - acute depression (usually at comedown or days after) resulting from MDMA use.
E-tarded - state of asocial euphoric stupor, usually by users under the age of 18
Binky - a pacifier, used to minimize the effects of jaw clenching
Double Stacked, Triple Stacked - tablets 2 or 3 times as thick, giving the impression of more MDMA content.
Mg - milligram, one-thousandth of a gram. Most psychoactive chemicals are active between 10mg and 1g.

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BEST PLACES ON BL TO LOOK FOR SOME GOOD READING
the closed '99 discussion board
The Search Engine
the Links page
All the other forums!!!
BEST PLACES ON THE NET TO READ UP BEFORE POSTING TO LOOK KNOWLEDGEABLE
ecstasy.org
the Lycaeum
Vaults of Erowid
Erowid's MDMA Vault
Hyperreal
Dancesafe
MAPS.org
Media Awareness Project News
Lycaeum Trip Reports Archive
the Hive
Divine Soma Experiment
GOOD ONLINE FAQ'S
Psychedelic Experience FAQ
GOOD ONLINE BOOKS TO READ
E Is For Ecstasy - Nicholas Saunders
PIHKAL - Alexander 'Sasha' Shulgin
TIHKAL - Alexander 'Sasha' Shulgin
The Psychedelic Experience, Leary, Metzner
Why Can't we Cope with Ecstasy?, Johnathan Cope
GOOD BOOKS TO READ
Ecstasy: the MDMA Story - Bruce Eisner
Ecstasy: dance, trance, transformation - Nicholas Saunders
Generation Ecstasy - Simon Reynolds
Altered State - Matt Collins
Rave America - Mireille Silcott
Club Cultures - Sarah Thornton
BEST PAGES OF LINKS
MAP's Links
DRUG-REFORM INSTITUTES
Psychedelic Island Views
Heffter Research Institute
The Lindesmith Center
DRC Net
the Alchemind Society
ORGANIZATIONS WORKING AGAINST YOUR FREEDOM
DEA
the Controlled Substances Act
Text of the Controlled Substances Act
list of Schedule I substances
OTHER PLACES ON THE NET TO FIND PILL REPORTS
Dancesafe Lab Testing
Dutch site
Oz site
So. Africa site
US site
Ecstasy.org site, scattered reports
OTHER MESSAGEBOARDS LIKE BLUELIGHT
good
Hullabaloo Raves - Toronto
the Shroomery
Huge! (NY)
not so good
Ravelinks
RaveShots
LoveParade board
LA Raves.com
Raves.com Discussion
start your own!
EZ Board
WEBSTITES FOR PSYCHEDELIC CONSCIOUSNESS
DeOxy.org
RAVE FAQ'S
Alt-Rave FAQ
the Spirit of Raving
DiY Archives
ALTERNATIVE SOURCES OF NEWS
Consortium News
Media Filter
Disinformation
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ROLL TRICKS
http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001339.html
http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum6/HTML/001720.html
THIS IS THE ADDRESS TO SEND YOUR PICS TO
[email protected]
Instead of starting a new thread saying you have your pic up,
just put it in your signature instead. Give them some time to put them up.
A CHEAT SHEET TO UBB CODE
---- replace { with [ ----
{url=www.website.com} Link {/url}
{b} Bold {/b}
{i} Italics {/i}
{email} [email protected] {/email}
{quote} "The internet is a great tool for downloading pornography." - Bill Clinton {/quote}
QUESTIONS
Q. Why do i see the word 'bump' as a response?
A. It is a response for the sake of sending a thread to the top of the pile.
Q. What does it mean to pre-load, post-load?
A. Loading is ingesting vitamins, supplements, chemicals in order to enhance
the MDMA experience, to prevent neurotoxicity, and to ensure a smooth comedown.
Q. Why are the words n-a-r-c and p-e-r-u marked out?
A. Because there was a period of namecalling that ended
up with the damn N word posted all over the board and
got everyone unnecesarily paranoid. The P word is knocked
out because there is a dude from that country who speaks in
a truly psychedelic toungue who is dying to trade his coke for
good e, a no-no on Bluelight.
Q. Why am i called a 'New Bluelighter'? When will i become a 'Bluelighter'?
A. You are a 'New Bluelighter' when you first register. After a certain number of posts,
you will blossom into the 'Bluelighter' we always new you could be.
WAYS TO SAVE BLUELIGHT'S BANDWIDTH
1. Search Bluelight and the Net to find your answer before posting a new thread.
2. Bump an old thread before starting a new one.
3. Ask your question in a related thread before starting a new one.
4. Don't keep reloading the topic board to see if your thread has any new replies, take a break.
5. Don't keep reloading multiple-page threads.
6. Pick which threads you wish to read carefully.
7. Integrate several threads into one.
8. Make any thread you start comprehensive and universal, not just personal.
9. If you have threads you like to reread, save them as HTML pages on your desktop.
10. Bookmark your favorite threads.
NETTIQUITE RULES COMMONLY BROKEN ON BLUELIGHT
1. Multiple placing of signatures in same post
2. Unnessarily long signatures or extra lines of space in sig
3. SHOUTING IN ALL CAPS
4. Using a huge font to call attention to oneself.
5. Starting a new thread without searching for a similar one first.
6. Not breaking up long strings of text into paragraphs.
7. Not attributing quoted text to its rightful creator - PLAGIARISM
8. Not providing a link to interesting quoted text
LITTLE THINGS YOU MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN
1. If you edit your post multiple times, it may show [Edited by ....] more than once. Go down to the bottom of your post while editing and delete those extra lines. Also you may have to hit your refresh button otherwise it might use the cached edit page, meaning you're editing an old copy.
2. If you bump a post, you may wish to delete those bumps after other people post. Reasons: to keep it clean and readable, and so that when people search for your name, they don't get a lot of irrelevant posts.
3. It is refreshing to see people with different signatures every couple of weeks, or something that will eliminate the need for surveys and polls. See this one for example. You don't need to edit your profile to make a new signature, just unclick the box when posting and make a dashed line and type away.
4. If you go to someone's profile, there is a line you can click on that will search all posts by them.
5. The folders on the left of the thread listings are red/pink when they contain new replies since you last visited.
6. If you are loading a multiple-page thread to check the last couple postings, save BL the bandwidth and stop it as soon as it loads, then click on the page number you want.
7. Here's the code to make a signature like mine, replace { with [ -
{b} {email}YOUR EMAIL ADDY{/email} / age / sex / location / whatever / {URL=http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi-bin/search.cgi?action=simplesearch&ForumChoice=ALL&ExactName=yes&SearchUser=YOURBLUELIGHTNAME}search BL for me{/URL}{/b}
8. Go to your preferences and change the view to SHOW ALL TOPICS. This will give you access to all 80+ pages of BL 2000 threads. Hop around them at random and bump the good ones.
9. Not all forums use UBB code or HTML
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COMMONLY MISSPELLED WORDS
ecstasy
heroin
serotonin
psychedelic
consciousness
conscientious
opinion
science
MEASUREMENT TERMS
1 pound = 16 ounces = 455 g
1 kilogram = 2.2 pounds (lbs)
1 ounce = 8 'eighths' = 30 g
1 'eighth' = ~3.5 grams
1 fl. oz = 30 ml = 1/8 cup
4 fl oz = 120 ml = 1/2 cup
1 tsp = 15 ml = 1/2 fl oz.
1 inch = 2.5 cm
100 C = 212 F = boiling point of H2O
US REGIONS
SF - San Francisco (or sound factory, NY)
NorCal - Northern California
CFL - Central Florida
LA - Los Angeles
SoCal - Southern California
TO - Toronto (Canada)
G'vile - Gainsville, FL
OH - Ohio
CHI, Chitown - Chicago
DC - District of Colombia, Washington DC
VA - Virginia
MD - Maryland
NOLA - New Orleans
NY, NYC - New York City, Manhattan
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"Hey baby, do you plug or swallow?"
[This message has been edited by liquidocean (edited 20 May 2000).]
 
DAMN!! Dude, that was awesome even in it's unfinished state. All I have to say is wow!
-Chris
 
That is awsome L.O!
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Its informational, organized good, compact, and makes the rounds of BL. Very good stuff
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applesbliss
 
Neurotoxic references that are still qouted are related to MDA not MDMA. The jury is still out, but moderation is a good idea. Stop saying Mdma is neurotoxic. This is as o yet to be proven and more than prozac may be neurotoxic!
 
it's actually short for 'hot blooded passionate male' but i'm trying to save bandwidth.
Are you sure, Dr. Tom, that MDMA has not been proven to cause neurotoxicity in any study, whether in Europe or USA?
I can assume the throbbing, depressing pain that some of us feel the day after is neurotoxicity at work. But i do not want to mislead anybody. Somebody please back him up before i change that.
 
Well on my forum under the thread "ways to roll longer" I believe the preload doctor backs him up. I also have spoken with the PDoc via E-mail as I had read an overbundence of MDMA causes the release of dopamine which turns into Hydrogen Peroxide thus damaging the Nerotransmitters.
I'll try to do some lookin into it as well to get some hardcore facts. But, I think that there are studys backing up both theorys so which is safer to place in the faq ?
- Shinobi
 
ok i just want to clarify something... is this going to be combined with Moppy's beta FAQ? or are they two separate things? this may have been answered in one of the other threads about this FAQ, if so my apologies...
 
"WHEN DOES NEUROTOXICITY OCCUR?"
(As I understand it, and I'm tired, and I'm in the middle of moving, so cut me some slack)
When the level of seratonin in the synapse is extremely low (like after you roll), dopamine can bind to the seratonin reuptake transporters, and brought into the seratonin axon terminal. When the dopamine is broken down by monoamine oxidase-B (MAO-B), hydrogen peroxide is released into the seratonin axon terminal, which can damage it.
The current theories on how to prevent this include:
-Taking anti-oxidents (such as vitamin C, to prevent the hydrogen peroxide from "oxidizing" the terminal)
-Taking prozac after taking MDMA (Prozac will bind to the reuptake transporters, preventing the dopamine from entering the terminal, must be taken within 6 hours of taking MDMA)... so far this works in rats.
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Aaaaaaand...
HOW DOES MDMA WORK?
"Basically, MDMA acts as an acute anti-depressant,"
This sounds wrong, but maybe its just me. As I understand it, antidepressants work by either preventing MAO from breaking down seratonin (MAOI's) or by preventing the ruptake of seratonin, leaving it in the synapse (SSRI's) Maybe its to wordy for a FAQ, but (Again, as I understand it):
Normally, when a seratonin cell is stimulated, it releases seratonin into the synapse. The seratonin binds to a receptor, gets released back into the synapse, binds with a reuptake transporter and is brought back into the seratonin terminal.
When MDMA enters the brain, it binds to the reuptake transporter and puts it in reverse (for lack of a better term). Now the transporter, instead of taking MDMA from the synapse into the terminal, is doing the opposite, flooding the synapse with seratonin.
The massive levels of seratonin in the synapse is what makes you feel so good.
(Both posts are from what I can understand from reading MAPS, but I may be missing alot)
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Shinobi,
Are you working in Metreon? Just wondering if I know you.
LOL
 
just came back from partying....
this is something i did spontaneously, i wanted to make a cheat sheet of acronyms and it just grew.
i am not trying to be an authority, i am just setting it up and hoping that people fill in the blanks of things i'm not sure of, so keep the contributions coming. Explain yourself, you're probably right.....
 
"Question: So what ends your roll?? How is that process stoped?"
You run out of seratonin
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Or the levels in the terminal get low enough that the synapse is no longer being "flooded", it's just trickling out. Also why you need time to fully feel MDMA again, you have to give the terminals a chance to "refill". Also why taking more MDMA doesn't keep you rolling indefinatly... the floodgate is still open wide, but its only coming out as fast as its being replenished.
Which is why I'm a firm believer in taking 5htp everyday starting 4 or 5 days before I drop... I want those puppies full to the point of popping before I take my roll!
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[This message has been edited by Rob (edited 20 May 2000).]
 
GS should be GC.
GC - Gas Chromatography
MS - Mass Spectrometry
GC-MS - Gas chromatrography mass spectrometry, used ie. in quantitation of drugs and their metabolites in blood and urine for both pharmacological and forensic applications.
TLC - Thin Layer Chromatography
 
firstly, well done... very impressive...
Secondly, can we add the effects of MDMA vs the effects of MDEA vs the effects of MDA. Just so that peeps know... becasue i think as most pills will not contain MDMA but maybe these other substances it would be good to know from what one experienced what was int he pill. oh and btw... thanks
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-dex
 
This is going up on my refrigerator.
However, one tEEEEny wEEEEny thing is missing the ENTIRE Rocky Mtn Region!!!
CO = Colorado, we really do party here, altitude makes all the difference.
Just putting us granola eating tree huggers on the map.
Thanks liquidocean...you are the king!
 
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