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Has anyone tried 4-FMP?

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SpeedJunkie

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[ 05 March 2003: Message edited by: day_for_night ]
 
Posting sources to research chem sites is a violation of forum guidelines. Edit your post, or it will be edited for you, and you may be banned.
 
Yeah, I'd like to get some info on this substance as well, but hey speedjunkie, can you edit out the source like atlas said so this can stay open and we can both get an answer, thanks. Oh yeah, I've checked out erowid and tried searching on yahoo, using both the name you posted and it's full name, "4-flouro-alpha-methylphenethylamine" and couldn't find anything.
EDIT: Here's the only other thread I could find on it by the way...
[ 05 March 2003: Message edited by: Thurgood ]
 
My fiance should have a user report within a couple weeks.
I'll let y'all know.
 
4-FMP and 4-FA (4-fluoro-amphetamine or 4-fluoro-alpha-methyl-PEA) are two entirely different chemicals. The stuff on the market now is (assuming its even real) 4-FA... closely related to the rather toxic 4-MTA (the "flatliners" that killed a bunch of people when it was sold in Europe) and 4-MA (better known as PMA, which has also killed a bunch of people). Even if I thought it were smart to buy chemicals from sleazy companies that don't even know what they're selling, this is one I'd recommend avoiding. The 4-substituted amphetamines seem to be pretty high risk. Although existing research with 4-FA hasn't shown any neurotoxic activity, neither did early research with its more infamous relatives PMA and 4-MTA. Doesn't seem worth risking for a substance which is likely to be a cheezy stimulant at best.
 
OK. It's obviously not worth trying. Sorry about the adress to the company. I forgot that it was not allowed.
 
Originally posted by Murple:
4-FMP and 4-FA (4-fluoro-amphetamine or 4-fluoro-alpha-methyl-PEA) are two entirely different chemicals.
Excuse me ?

The stuff on the market now is (assuming its even real) 4-FA... closely related to the rather toxic 4-MTA (the "flatliners" that killed a bunch of people when it was sold in Europe) and 4-MA (better known as PMA, which has also killed a bunch of people).

Although it is smart to push ppl to be very careful when new chems show up, you're exaggerating here Murple. 4-FA is very pharmacologically distinct from 4-MTA and 4-MA (both of which are already different from each other).
4-FA has been shown to be a dopamine releasing agent with little activity on the norepinephrine system. In humans this should translate as something that gives the amphetamine euphoria and mind clarity without the physical stimulating effects of speed.
4-MTA is a completely different animal as it's a strong 5-ht (serotonine) releasing agent which has been the cause for its lethal effects. Basically it creates a serotonine syndrome which has been described as taking an SSRI and an MAOI at the same time. The other 4-halogeno-amphetamine (4-CA, 4-IA, 4-BA ) seem to have a related pharmacological profile while 4-FA is in a different league.
As for 4-MA, it is a stimulant with a heavy cardiovascular push with very mild trippy effects.
3 different chems as you can see.

The 4-substituted amphetamines seem to be pretty high risk. Although existing research with 4-FA hasn't shown any neurotoxic activity, neither did early research with its more infamous relatives PMA and 4-MTA.

Again PMA (aka 4-MA), 4-MTA and 4-FA are three completely different animals completely unrelated as far as pharmacology is concerned. I agree that this doesn't prevent from being careful however.
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4-FA has been shown to be a dopamine releasing agent with little activity on the norepinephrine system. In humans this should translate as something that gives the amphetamine euphoria and mind clarity without the physical stimulating effects of speed.
Actually, norepinephrine has many effects other than pure physical stimulation. All amphetamines (amph/meth/MDMA) release more norepinephrine than they do dopamine. It is a common miconception that dopamine the main neurotransmitter that is responsible for stimulant effects. In fact I would argue that norepinephrine plays a larger role.
Thus, I predict that 4-FA, lacking significant effects on norepinephrine, won't be very stimulating, and indeed might feel a bit sedating even. As for euphoria, I would expect there to be some, but not as much, as norepineprhine seems to enhance and create euphoria.
I honestly don't think it will be any better than any of the current stims (if it is even that stimulating).
But, I agree with the rest of your comments and I think its potential neurotoxicity is highly exgaggerated.
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They aren't all that different, and I think you'd be taking a pretty pointless risk experimenting with 4-substituted amphetamines. I'd bet anything that if 4-FA remains on the market for long, there will be some serious problems.
 
nobody have something new to say ?
some report on erowid suggest that it isn't totally pointless to try this chem.
(http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=33005)

edit : i've found this on another reliable site :

"{...} The water was evaporated to give a chunky slightly-yellow solid. The solid was dried under heat lamp, crushed to a very fine powder, and rinsed with ice-cold acetone repeatedly until all yellow had disappeared from the solid. Drying under a heat lamp gave 2.78 g 4-fluoroamphetamine HCl (14.7 mmol, 47% yield) as a powdery white solid.

Bioassay:

This stuff outdid SWIM's expectations. Very nice! 140mg material was eaten, and took about 45 minutes to onset. There's been some reports that say it is "somewhere between MDMA and meth" which is a pretty dead-on statement. A bit of background, SWIM is a recovering meth addict and currently taking zoloft. SWIM also "lost the magic" some time ago with MDMA, and wasn't really expecting a whole lot from the 4-fluoroamphetamine. Once it kicked in however, there was a very strong "nice-head" feeling, pretty euphoric like MDMA. Also, a distinct stimulation, though this stuff felt rather less harsh on the body than standard amphetamine sulfate. It had an excellent energetic body high similar to meth, and promoted lots of talking. The sexual drive wasn't as strong as with meth however. The nice head-high and slight lowering of inhibitions were very MDMA-like, and pretty fun. Strong worthwhile head- and body high went for a good 4-5 hours, afer which it slowly passed leaving a more or less standard amphetamine high for several more hours. After about 10 hours, some valium was taken and sleep wasn't too hard to accomplish. Felt just tired the next day, not too braindead. The day after was IMO not as bad as that of MDMA's day after.

From a few other testings it has been determined that a boosting dose (of say 50 mg) about 2 hours into the high is alright, but trying to redose at any amount once you begin to come down just produces prolonged and less comfortable stimulation lacking the real fun of the drug."

and so here he is talking about 4-fa (or 4-Fluoro-Alpha-Methyl-PEA, 4-fluoroamphetamine) and not 4-fmp, right ?
 
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I wouldn't say looking into this chem is pointless, I've read more glowing reports on it than bad reports. Actually, I've only read one bad report. Whatt is pointless however is listening to anything Murple has to say. Thank god he's banned from here. I see no reason to automatically group 4-fluoroamphetamine with PMA and 4-MTA as dangerous and worthless just because it's a 4- substituted amphetamine. That means nothing. Look at what's going on with PMEA vs. PMA right now. Not much is known about it (PMEA) but it's obviously way different than PMA. I'm not saying one shouldn't be cautious with something new like 4-fluoroamphetamine though, because in reality, we really don't know what the fuck it's going to do to people in the long run, but I thinnk it's unfair to make biased prejudgements based on flawed logic. ANYWAYS.... There's two new reports on 4-fluoroamphetamine in TR, 3 at erowid, and a couple at other unmentionable sites. (lysergication, that H word is a no no here)
 
I will have something to say about this one soon. Its on the way and will be a part of my graduation celebrations. %)
 
FWIW,
I have firsthand experience at 50mg, both orally and nasally (ouch, hurts worse than MA or MDMA... on par with 2CT2 but more volume!), and based on that experience, I'd say it caused minute euphoria, which considering the side effects (minor stimulant type twitches, vasoconstriction and cold feelings) has made me not want to do it again. As for second hand reports with 100mg, 3 people said "I didn't feel anything".
 
i know a lot of people who have taken this. It feels almost exactly like rolling on mdma. the only difference is, you feel like your on meth when the rolling wears off.
However, my friends were all introduced to it with, "it feels like meth and E", so its possible that their accounts were primed before they even took the stuff.
 
Digging up an old thread... has anyone ever tried plugging this (rectal administration)? It seems to me that the dose required would be less, perhaps significantly less. I will have the chance to try some of this tonight, and my usual dose is 125mg, but I'm only receiving 150mg. I'm wondering if 75mg plugged would be a reasonably equivalent dose.

Any experience?
 
Im going to inject 1000mg of fluoroamphetamine next week... i'll let u know what happends [-ooo--
 
/\ yeah right.

@Xorkoth: did you ever end up plugging it?

I have recently had the opportunity to test this compound in some detail as well. VERY enjoyable and indeed like a speedy MDMA experience. Intensely pleasurable at higher doses and yet it does not make me feel all unable to discriminate. My intellect remained fully functional, so that I could even do "brain work" on it... I do not much mind the comedown either. There is the "meth" aspect to it, perhaps, but with meth I remember having terribly long-drawn comedowns. Not so with this compound. After about 12hrs or so I can easily sleep.

I really really rate this substance as a motivation/creativity enhancer. Also seems pretty compatible with party-time socialising since it notches up empathy potential somewhat (for me anyway). I think there may be a simultaneous increase of dopamine and serotonin with this.

Seems there is not much if any comedown with this, though the next day I do tend to feel a little washed out even if I had adequate sleep (interestingly it seems the compound does not keep me awake for too long). Last night I took only 60mg as a pick-me-up prior to going out and get rid of my day-long lethargy (probably from dosing the compound the day before at approx. 150mg and going out and drinking....) and it seemed, well, to not work so well. Did give me a pick-me-up nevertheless, and I managed to sleep well only 5 hours after ingesting that semi-dose. It's bound to take the place of methylone for me as a pleasurable hedonist/escapist drug - perhaps more suited as well as it lasts a little longer and seems to have fewer "he's-on-drugs" giveaway signs than methylone. Though I remember that's what I thought about methylone at first as well.... def. more suited for anything creative/task-based than methylone, is my gut feeling. Enhances things for me without lulling me into a false sense of beauty too much... so I don't get carried away in what seems to be something fantastic but then turns out to be totalyl mundane.... another aspect to this drug is that it has so far increased my sex-drive every time I have used it and it has also (as stimulaants are prone to do) increasted my staying power :) so yeah, after raving about it for so long now, I'll finish this by saying that I can sense that there is potential for abuse with this one, even if it may not ever make it big in the rave cene or anything since it doesn't get the user totally "mashed" like MDMA or psychedelics. But it feels just so pleasant........ I intend to use this again, and again - but carefully and with some restraint, for sure, as one ought to do with anything that feels that good and is chemical... an empathogen, surely, but clearly also a stimulant. The tail-end stimulation I much prefer to the tail-end stimulation of methylone. And I intend to keep it that way :) And I've only been up to 150mg in a day and never more than 100mg in one go. Good stuff.
 
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