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Yoked_Dragon
28-02-2003, 08:05
Does hydromorphone 4mg compare to oxycodone for pain relief, how about the high? Are they woth bumping or not. I won't IV so don't suggest please. I usually snort 20mg of OC then 20mg 1-2hrs later
ALso, what do you guys think the best pain relief medicine is, for severe pain. I think fentanyl, patch gel or actiq is best, ,but too hard to get now adays. OC's, MS contins, norco's, dilaudid, etc are easy to get. What would be your choice for Pain Relief.

Dr. Dopenstein
28-02-2003, 08:33
Hydromorphone also known as Dillaudid or "Dillies" are "Top of the food chain" when it comes to pain medication in pill form! Its 8mgs pill is the strongest pain pill on the market. Oxycontin gives it a good run for the money! Msir 30mgs is in the mix also! If you can get a hold of Actiq, Fentanyl in lollipop form, your one lucky man...they pack a wallop!!

day_for_night
28-02-2003, 10:09
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good lord you go on rants about drugs...relax man
as far as dilaudid, unless injected, the high is hardly comparable to oxycodone. it will however, dull your pain very well. i'd suggest, if you dont want to iv, use them for there intended purpose.

Dr. Dopenstein
28-02-2003, 15:52
I was just answering "Dragon's Question" I did not deviate from his question.He wanted information and a opinion,and I gave him one. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers.

Dr. Dopenstein
28-02-2003, 16:09
Also one last thing...I was under the impression that "The New Bluelight" was a forum to voice one's opinion and contribute one's knowledge. I'm sorry if you think I "rant" on about drugs...I'm a chronic pain sufferer, I have Ankylosing Spodilitis(Arthritis of the Spine) I've had it for 20 years,I've taken almost every pain medication out there....I was just trying to pass on some info to others who asked for it. Sorry if I talk to much about drugs on a drug information web site!

Partykid12
28-02-2003, 16:20
I think day for night was talking about your constant use of the "!" ... your keyboard does have a period key. :)

t3knology
28-02-2003, 17:29
dilaudid dont give a good high if eaten? really?

Dr. Dopenstein
28-02-2003, 19:33
T3K, don't let anyone tell you Dilaudid is weak orally. Its a horse race between "Dillies" or "Killers"(Oxycodone)on which is the stronger in pill form. Of course its stronger if you bang them,but if that's not your bag,taking "Dillies" orally is fantastic.

Thurgood
28-02-2003, 20:06
[quote]Originally posted by Yoked_Dragon:
I think fentanyl, patch gel or actiq is best, ,but too hard to get now adays. OC's, MS contins, norco's, dilaudid, etc are easy to get.
Are you saying that it's easy to get OC's, dillys and so on? Or are you saying that it's easier than fentanyl? Cuz I could agree with the latter of the two statements to a degree, but I thought it was still pretty hard to get any of those based on personal experience and what not. Especially with all the media publicity OCs have gotten over the past year or so, no one wants to give them out very easy anymore.

day_for_night
28-02-2003, 21:42
[quote]Originally posted by Partykid12:
I think day for night was talking about your constant use of the "!" ... your keyboard does have a period key. :)

JosephTHeSequel
28-02-2003, 21:47
I will say IV hydromorphone is the best rush besides smack I believe. If you arent going to IV it, I would just eat an 8mg pill.

Lady Chaos
28-02-2003, 22:37
[quote]Originally posted by Dr. Dopenstein:
T3K, don't let anyone tell you Dilaudid is weak orally. Its a horse race between "Dillies" or "Killers"(Oxycodone)on which is the stronger in pill form. Of course its stronger if you bang them,but if that's not your bag,taking "Dillies" orally is fantastic.
Maybe its just me, but I've never been able to get off on dillaudids orally. Even when I had hardly any opaite tolenance at all they would do nothing when I ate them. It seemed like a waste. In my opinion oxycodone a much more effective oral pain reliever.

Dr. Dopenstein
01-03-2003, 02:21
You fill a room up with 100 drug lovers...50 would love Dilaudid and 50 would love Oxycontin..its the way of the world,that's all.

ikarus
01-03-2003, 06:19
[quote]Originally posted by Dr. Dopenstein:
T3K, don't let anyone tell you Dilaudid is weak orally. Its a horse race between "Dillies" or "Killers"(Oxycodone)on which is the stronger in pill form. Of course its stronger if you bang them,but if that's not your bag,taking "Dillies" orally is fantastic.
It's a matter of personal preference but oral hydromorphone, to put it mildy, is a waste. I.V. is nice for the incredible rush you get in the beginning, but that's about all it's good for recreationally. Maybe there are some weird people out there that really get off on Dilaudid but I think they are pretty rare (or at least there are less than 50% who enjoy it over Oxycontin).

Dr. Dopenstein
01-03-2003, 07:27
Its a shame that some people label other people "Weird" if they perfer one drug over another. I didn't know there was "right" drug and a "Wrong" drug. Thanks for the clarification.

ikarus
02-03-2003, 02:42
No problem. Anything else you need to be set straight on?
[ 02 March 2003: Message edited by: ikarus ]

Dr. Dopenstein
03-03-2003, 07:47
Yes, I think you need to fly just a little closer to the sun!

Tri-nity
03-03-2003, 12:43
That was a great comment by Dr. Dopenstein.
I'm greek and the reply to Ikarus is now making since after my night of tweaking, God I HATE STIMULANTS!
Anyways, I was told that powdered adderall was K and found out 15 mins later and was very pissed.
I love opiates but the morphone structures I like a little more......but oxy is up there to, and OC 40 would be nice now but damn That drug is addicting, i did it 2 weeks ago and still think about it....

t3knology
03-03-2003, 22:47
what is a good price for 2mg dilaudids?
single.. and when coppin like 10 - 20

Dr. Dopenstein
04-03-2003, 06:54
Tri-nity, thanks...its nice to know that we "Bluelighters" are an intelligent bunch! As far as a good price for 4mgs "Dillies" here in San Francisco its kind of strange...you see "Junkies" who can't find smack, pay $5-10 for weak codeine #3's to keep from getting sick and Dillies which are way more powerful going for only $5.00 more at $15.00. Its a nutty world, and here's the kicker, alot of them perfer the codene's!

Yoked_Dragon
05-03-2003, 08:34
Just an update, I popped a 10mg norco, then a 4mg dilaudid 1/2 hour later. I was quite impressed with teh pain releif, better than OC's, I was pretty damn high too. I did bump about 10mg of OC 2-3hrs into it and again at 4hrs.
Since I only snort oc, and 20mg every couple of hours never exceeding 60mg, a 4mg dilaudid was just fine orally. I am going to tey only dilaudis this thursday when I get more work done.

raoulduke
05-03-2003, 23:15
Tri-nity, I know how you feel. I am still thinking about oxy and it's been over a month since I've last done some. I remember reading that during a nice opiate high so many endorphins are released that it will take another 6 months to restore them. This is probably the effects of low endorphins and the body is reacting by saying it wants more. That's wierd huh

Tri-nity
06-03-2003, 01:05
Yeah, exactly.
When I first used Opiates/Opiods I really thought they were "Okay" but as I used them more they are the one drug that I truly like.
They are more of a pleasure/relaxation drug.
One thing true in Trainspotting is were Renton says users forget "the pleasure of it". I have tried many drugs of all types but Opiates are the ones that I like.
The relaxation, analgesia, warmth, and general euphoria that opiates bring me that I like.
Recently after wanting to try Oxycodone in Oxycontin tablets, I really found a strong narcotic I like.
I love that word NARCOTIC, it's like there such simple but complex drugs, they make you feel good and warm, some say thats just it, but ask any true Opiate lover and the'll tell you that the NOD is the whole reason for the cosumption of opiates. It's like sometimes your stareing into oblivion and snap out of it and all you can saw is ahhhhh, or like when I take a large morphine, dose, all I can do is grunt, LOL(you know what I mean)
The one thing about Oxy is that since it's a thebaine analouge it actually like some said sorta stimulates me and doesn't give me a heavy nod unless over 40mg but has some of the best analgesic effects of the opiates I've had.
I did 120mg of oxy, 200-400mg, of hydrocodone and various other opiates for about 2 weeks with only missing 1-3 days, but after I stopped for some reason I am somewhat depressed and am never depressed, it's like life on dope is such more alive and beautiful.
keep the thread going.....
Opiates are beautiful but powerful mental/physical drugs, there unlike any other.....
[ 06 March 2003: Message edited by: Tri-nity ]
[ 07 March 2003: Message edited by: Tri-nity ]

Dr. Dopenstein
06-03-2003, 07:01
Tri-nity, your a trip.....a nice trip

Tri-nity
06-03-2003, 23:49
It's kinda funny.....
I have tried a lot of things but Opiates have just taken over my (DOC) "drug or choice" which was marijuana which I use 3-4 times a day.
Put don't get the wrong impression, I have tried a lotta stuff, speed, meth, benzo's, barbs, alcohol, phycadelics, ect.. for a long while, when people here "weed" they think young teens tokin and saying shit like "man I'm so Baked!)
Believe it or not, the euphoria come right at the beginning of and oxy high, and the reason I love them is the euphoria during the nod.
The common man would say a nod is just a nod and consious/semi-counsious state.
But once I had my first heavy nod and found myself in the middle of the most beautiful feild in nature, then poped out of my nod and said "Holy shit"
I have used
fentanyl(powerfull, but not too euphoric)
oxycodone
hydrocodone
demerol( Atropine related, ok at low doses, high does are spacy and but me to sleep)
darvocet
codiene
dyhydrocodiene
I'm curious to see if others have had an exprerience like mine.....
On 35-40 mg of oxy(I know not a lot, have friends that shoot an 80 in one hit and repeat) over an hour period towars the 2nd hour after consuming the oxy, I was fully able to get a drink or pee put I sat on my couch and everthing seemed like a continious de'ja vu but like ever thought, think, and existance I understood, it was intense.
But I naturally get deja vu when i take any kinda opies but this was different, it was like I was looking into oblivion.
Just curious to get some feed back.
I got 20 bucks , should I get an OC 40(steep, I know, i'm more pissed than anyone) or should I save? damn that question will kill me all night,
I got some klonopin for mini-withdrawl and am on .5 now and helps with crazing.
anyways, i would post more but just recently found my password.....
hope ya reply
[ 06 March 2003: Message edited by: Tri-nity ]

t3knology
07-03-2003, 04:06
trainspotting.. great movie
"take your best orgasm, times it by a thousand, and u still dont come close to the feeling you get (on heroin)". or something like that , hehe
i lov that movie

**Infinity**
07-03-2003, 18:45
[quote]I popped a 10mg norco
Yeah, I tend to like those quite a bit.
[quote]Maybe its just me, but I've never been able to get off on dillaudids orally
Nope, not just you..I can't either. Not even railing them. IMO it's a pretty useless drug for me unless you bang it...which is a no no for me..so, no K4's for me. BOO

Dr. Dopenstein
08-03-2003, 00:57
Buy the "killer" 50 cents per mg for OC's not bad..in some places its 75 cents to a dollar per mg!!Enjoy......Also in your last post you gave your impressions of some drugs you tried but none on others..can you give your opinion on the ones you missed?

Brian-sublimaze
08-03-2003, 01:30
alot of people dont understand that if one opiate provides a better high than another, that its stronger. That is not at all entirely true. Some opiates have a very mild "euphoric" element to them but anagesic wise are quite stronger than others that provide a better high. Take demerol for instance. Which provides a real good bit of euphoria and a rush but as far as painkilling goes is not that strong. Demerol also sucks big time orally because of its very poor absorption in the stomach. It takes 300mg of demerol orally to equal 50mg IV. Morphine is also very orally inactive. Codeine orally is gonna provide better relief orally than morphine because of its great absorption. It takes about 60mg morphine orally to equal 5-10 mg morphine IV. Hydromorphone sucks orally if you are looking to just get high, but is pretty damn strong analgesic wise orally. The rush or high provided by a certain opiate comes from its lipid solubility, or fat solubility rate crossing the blood brain barrier

edarrin
08-03-2003, 01:57
This is taken from the Compendium of Pharmaceuticals and Specialties (CPS) which is the guide doctors use in Canada as the drug bible.
Approx analgesic equivalences
equivalent dose mgs
Agonist im po(oral)
Morphine sulphate or Hcl 10 20-30
codeine ph. 120 200
hydromorphone 2 4
oxycodone n/a 10-15
demerol 75 300
methadone 10 20
heroin 5-8 10-15
There are a couple of others I didn't include because they are not street available commonly to my knowledge. Also didn't include the agonist/antagonists. This is the scale doctors use when Rx'ing pain meds. this is for analgesic effects but gives a good general guide of potencies . Hope this is helpfull.
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Yoked_Dragon
10-03-2003, 19:35
I have to oncee again, say, a combo of 10mg norco, plus 4mg hydromorphone, ,and 10mg of oc bumped, killed almost all pain from tattooing, and it was all over top of chest bone, ,collar bones and neck! It seems that the addition of dilaudids is great for pain. However, for a straight high, the OC is better.

ikarus
11-03-2003, 00:46
[quote]Originally posted by Dr. Dopenstein:
Yes, I think you need to fly just a little closer to the sun!
http://students.cecs.csulb.edu/~cblonski/us/other/youreafag/fa04.jpg

Dr. Dopenstein
11-03-2003, 01:03
Thanks for the compliment!

t3knology
11-03-2003, 03:40
well. i jus wanted to say that i love opiates

Dr. Dopenstein
11-03-2003, 23:37
Long live the numb,cozy,warm feeling of an opiate high! Be it morphine,oxy,dilaudid...they all beat asprin and tylenol!

silicondigital
23-01-2004, 04:27
hydromorphone is hardly jack shit for a high when taken po

banging a 4mg dilly is OK but you dont have any "nod" for shit like with oc
you get a nice opiate rush unlike any other more traditional opiate but its quick gone and no sleepy euphoria hardly at all

ive never banged oxy, because oxycodone is just not something your spose to IV even though you can

oral hydromorphone is shit compared to oral or ins. oxy the first pass metabolism of non methylated stuff (morph stuff) is real rough so IV is the only way to go with that.

oxy is more versitile, and IMO better for the money although a k4 rush is not anything bad at all

edarrin
23-01-2004, 20:58
My experience has been that they suck orally(Dilaudid that is) and I don't like to IV pills so I don't use them although they are readily available to me.
Oxy's are much better orally for getting high. As far as pain relief goes I believe Dilaudid is stronger.

andrew-james
23-01-2004, 21:38
Originally posted by Tri-nity
It's kinda funny.....
I have tried a lot of things but Opiates have just taken over my (DOC) "drug or choice" which was marijuana which I use 3-4 times a day.
Put don't get the wrong impression, I have tried a lotta stuff, speed, meth, benzo's, barbs, alcohol, phycadelics, ect.. for a long while, when people here "weed" they think young teens tokin and saying shit like "man I'm so Baked!)
Believe it or not, the euphoria come right at the beginning of and oxy high, and the reason I love them is the euphoria during the nod.
The common man would say a nod is just a nod and consious/semi-counsious state.
But once I had my first heavy nod and found myself in the middle of the most beautiful feild in nature, then poped out of my nod and said "Holy shit"
I have used
fentanyl(powerfull, but not too euphoric)
oxycodone
hydrocodone
demerol( Atropine related, ok at low doses, high does are spacy and but me to sleep)
darvocet
codiene
dyhydrocodiene
I'm curious to see if others have had an exprerience like mine.....
On 35-40 mg of oxy(I know not a lot, have friends that shoot an 80 in one hit and repeat) over an hour period towars the 2nd hour after consuming the oxy, I was fully able to get a drink or pee put I sat on my couch and everthing seemed like a continious de'ja vu but like ever thought, think, and existance I understood, it was intense.
But I naturally get deja vu when i take any kinda opies but this was different, it was like I was looking into oblivion.
Just curious to get some feed back.
I got 20 bucks , should I get an OC 40(steep, I know, i'm more pissed than anyone) or should I save? damn that question will kill me all night,
I got some klonopin for mini-withdrawl and am on .5 now and helps with crazing.
anyways, i would post more but just recently found my password.....
hope ya reply
[ 06 March 2003: Message edited by: Tri-nity ]

I'm the same way. Weed was my DOC before i discovered "stronger" opiates. Just like you, i was hooked after my first night of laying on the bed staring at a blank tv screen nodding :)

Whenever i go on a longer binge (say3-4 weeks) of close to daily oxy use, i definitely notice the withdrawel symptoms. The depression, like you said, is the worst. Give it a few weeks to go away before you use again. If it bothers you now, it's only going get worse if you keep using without a break.

themadhungarian
23-01-2004, 22:24
I remember reading that during a nice opiate high so many endorphins are released that it will take another 6 months to restore them. This is probably the effects of low endorphins and the body is reacting by saying it wants more. That's wierd huh

That is not true at all, where did you think you ever read anything like that? Don't say things you think are true without having sources to back them up please. And also it is not like you have a place in your brain like a tank in a car where endorphins are 'stored'. Neurotransmitters are constantly flowing in the CSF, using opiates just makes the levels lower, they don't get used up.

kris cross
24-01-2004, 00:10
Originally posted by JosephTHeSequel
I will say IV hydromorphone is the best rush besides smack I believe. If you arent going to IV it, I would just eat an 8mg pill.

agree. only way to do d's are iv. if you can get oc's get em. cause if you dont inject, d's work, but nothing like the rush from iv'ing.

The Opioid Receptor
24-01-2004, 01:46
Fentanyl and oxymorphone hands down!!

funkee
24-01-2004, 01:55
Originally posted by The Opioid Receptor
Fentanyl and oxymorphone hands down!!

Oxymorphone, aint that numorphan? Never been able to get my hands on it.

raoulduke
14-04-2004, 03:26
Hydromorphone snorted aint that bad....never done it orally because i hear it really is a waste, but snorted 3mg in one hit can give u a slight buzz, lasting about 1-2 hours say......:D

geetered
14-04-2004, 03:29
if you dont want too IV, there basically useless orally... give/sell too some1 who will IV.

vicodelicious
14-04-2004, 05:13
Originally posted by Tri-nity

I love that word NARCOTIC...


Me too ;)

inept enigma
14-04-2004, 19:29
Dilaudid gives a very nice rush when injected intravenously, but that is pretty much it. You'll feel nice and slightly euphoric for maybe 30 minutes after injecting, but after that it's pretty much over. Even if you inject higher doses (like 8 or 12mg) all that I've ever noticed from this is a MAJOR increase in the amount of itching and irritability narcotics sometimes give. It will sometimes turn me into a complete asshole if I do 12mg and the rush is nearly the exact same as doing 4-6mg! Oxycodone has always been a lot more effective painkiller than hydromorphone for me.This is just what I have noticed form my use though, so just take it as it is. :)

drop'nbombs
14-04-2004, 22:24
im with you man i love opiates
my favs of coarse are hydromorphone and oc

vicodelicious
15-04-2004, 00:11
The only experience I've had with Dilaudid was with an oral dose of 4mgs. Needless to say it did nothing and I was pretty dissapointed. Next time I get ahold of some, I'm going to IV it for sure.

karloff123
15-04-2004, 01:43
What ever happened to Dr. Dopenstein? He was an outlaw Bluelighter who broke all the rules and got away with it...he must have had a powerful connection on the Bluelight......did you read some of the posts at the beginning of this classic and old thread? Amazing.........

detroit*whut
15-04-2004, 07:30
i dream of dilaudids...