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BA
12-01-2003, 01:30
Was Jesus a spiritual, cannabis-using stoner that doused his disciples in a potent, marijuana-laced oil? That's the claim made in an American cannabis magazine article that suggests Jesus Christ and his apostles used marijuana and promoted its usage for medicinal purposes and to carry out miraculous healings.
The article, "Was Jesus a stoner?" was written by B.C. marijuana activist, author and director of the Pot-TV Network, Chris Bennett. It was based on a 13-year study of ancient scripture texts. He claims the holy anointing oil, used in the early days of the Christian church and absorbed into the body when placed on the skin, contained between four and six kilograms of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified as cannabis extracted into olive oil and herbs.
"The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture," Bennett, 40, said in his article, published in the February issue of High Times.
He said Jesus and the 12 disciples used this holy oil to cure and heal their followers of such ailments as epilepsy, menstrual and eye problems and skin diseases. The curing of cripples can also be attributed to the cannabis-laced holy oil.
He quotes the Book of Mark 6:13 in support of his claim.
"And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them."
Bennett's claim about Old Testament cannabis use is supported in his article by Carl Ruck, a Boston University professor in classical mythology who has spent three decades researching the history of drugs in religion.
"There can be little doubt about a role for cannabis in Judaic religion," he said. "There is no way that so important a plant as a fibre source for textiles and nutritive oils and one so easy to grow would have gone unnoticed.
"Obviously, the early availability and long-established tradition of cannabis in early Judaism... would have inevitably included it in the (Christian) measures."
Bennett said his claims are also supported by archeological evidence. He refers specifically to finds by Joe Zias, an anthropologist in Israel who uncovered the skeleton of a 14-year-old girl who died in child birth. A blackish-brown substance found on her stomach was determined to be a hashish mixture used for healing. He also cited ancient pots discovered throughout Israel and the Middle East that had opium and cannabis residue in them.
Greg Bloomquist, a theology professor at Saint Paul University in Ottawa, is familiar with Bennett's claims, but dismisses them.
"This is not scholarly work. This is purely speculation with an ideological agenda," he said in an interview. "His arguments are based on the isolated theories of a few people and he brings them together in order to make a point that he wants to make."
Author: Jennifer Morrison - The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Jan. 8, 2003
News Link (http://www.canada.com/search/story.aspx?ID=B5228056-661A-4B51-912D-DDF7B9D93345)

stardreamer
12-01-2003, 02:40
Awesome. I don't believe in Jesus, but if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me.
Funny that the "healings" were attributed to marijuana oil and not a sort of miracle - this could shed some interesting light on the story.

danyool
12-01-2003, 04:16
i've always thought that hey-zeus was a hippie!
get a haircut!

spinkle
12-01-2003, 05:10
There are similar claims made based on sources other than those cited in Bennett's article in "Marijuana and the Bible," an official document from the Ethiopian Zion Coptic Church. It's actually an incredibly interesting book...although it's more a collection of references and quotes than it is a hard study.

silverfucked
12-01-2003, 05:50
HOw is THC absorbed thru the skin?

Si Dread
12-01-2003, 14:25
[quote]Originally posted by BlueAdonis:
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"The ancient anointed ones were literally drenched in this potent mixture," [QB]
I presume the present legal position of cannabis, especially in the US, is the work of thr devil himself then, yeah?

Love In Vein
12-01-2003, 15:02
[quote]HOw is THC absorbed thru the skin?
"And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them."
How can someone believe that Jesus used marijuana oil based on that one sentence?
Chris Bennett is a biased pro-marijuana nutcase and his claim is completely unfounded. It's beyond obvious this is just his way of trying influence people with anti-marijuana sentiments.
It wouldn't suprise me if half this guy's "research" was based on knowledge of the ancient world he ascertained watching programs on The Discovery Channel.

Zappa
12-01-2003, 21:52
I believe terence mckenna states that jesus christ means mushroom in arab.
And, by the way, if you connect the left and right hand of jesus on the cross to the top of the cross, you can see a mushroom if you have enough imagination :)

frizzantik
12-01-2003, 22:25
whats more belivable? jesus was the 'son of god' and resurrected three days after he died and he walked on water, etc
or he used cannabis oil to heal people?
oh its gotta be the majical stuff right? lol
[quote]
"This is not scholarly work. This is purely speculation with an ideological agenda," he said in an interview. "His arguments are based on the isolated theories of a few people and he brings them together in order to make a point that he wants to make."
i think he is talking about the bible there

stardreamer
12-01-2003, 23:56
A very skilled con artist could probably convince many people of anything if they were saturated in marijuana oil.

Spinsta
13-01-2003, 01:34
[quote]Originally posted by Love In Vein:

Chris Bennett is a biased pro-marijuana nutcase and his claim is completely unfounded. It's beyond obvious this is just his way of trying influence people with anti-marijuana sentiments.

obviously you have a strong case for the contrary. let's hear it? or is just easier to write people off with big words and hope nobody notices that you didn't provide any reason as to why we should believe you rather than him?

JosephTHeSequel
13-01-2003, 04:18
jesus, it could be any fuckin oil, gimme a break. where the fuck did he get pot from? Nowhere does anything say anything regarding pot.

nickthecheese
13-01-2003, 04:18
Used as a sample in a famous cypress-hill song...
"Genesis 1:12 - I have given you all the plant bearing seeds and herbs to use."

justsomeguy
13-01-2003, 04:58
i'll take the side of the university proffessor on this one....

rm-rf
13-01-2003, 06:27
wouldnt surprise me, but id be even more inclined to believe that the disciples used ergot and psylocibin to recieve the holy spirit than to believe jesus drenched his followers with reefa'.

Cowboy Mac
13-01-2003, 13:33
im suprised he is motivated enough to write anything..

Torque03
13-01-2003, 16:26
Let me get this straight: THC can be active in an oil-based medium and is absorbed through the skin? If I am not mistaken, that is not chemically viable.
This entire theory is based on one line of scripture, which in no way implies the use of cannabis. That is neither scientific nor convincing. There are so many types of oil that would have been more readily available than cannabis oil, why should anyone make the enormous assumption that it was cannabis-based? I'll tell you why: because the God-hating drug-users out there will do anything in their power to discredit the Messiah. They will not believe that a man could do miracles because he was imbued with the spirit of God, so they have tried, even though lacking any evidence, to reassign the credit of miracle-working from the Son of God to a plant. That, my friends, is a huge mistake.
Please do not honor this ridiculous theory with any respect, for it deserves none.

DarkDante
13-01-2003, 18:14
^^
Don't mean to feed the troll here, but which scenario more plausible? That Jesus is actually the son of "God" and performed healing "miracles" that defy logic? Or the more logical explanation that he used a plant product that has known theraputic use for even thousands of years before his time. Both the claims made by the Bible and this study are rather specious, but I'm more inclined to believe the simpler explanation.
Maybe Love in Vein can shed more light on this, given he apparently has a PhD in anthropology/archaeology and theology.
As a side note it is possible for THC to be absorbed transdermally in an oil based admixture.
[ 13 January 2003: Message edited by: DarkDante ]

silverfucked
13-01-2003, 21:38
Really either is possible as we have no proof that he healed anyone or that these people even existed.. If they weren't miracles, then it would disprove the whole bible in the first place.. I dont suppose his hash oil also turned water into wine, or brought people back from the dead....?
However, cannibis was used very commonly as medicine and incense back then. However, sometimes i think people on this board always argue in favor of drug articles and never are really open minded to the other side of the argument...
Likewise, those who oppose should be open minded too.

villz
14-01-2003, 08:11
[quote]Originally posted by BlueAdonis:
It was based on a 13-year study of ancient scripture texts. He claims the holy anointing oil, used in the early days of the Christian church and absorbed into the body when placed on the skin, contained between four and six kilograms of kaneh-bosem, a substance identified as cannabis extracted into olive oil and herbs.

i've read other articles (can't remember exactly where at the moment - try google or something) which provides more evidence about this Kaneh-Bosem substance (say it out-loud it even sounds like cannabis). Apparently it was widely used around 0 AD and there are many scriptures which list its ingredients, one of which is good old mary jane.
Can someone else track down a link to a more credible article than High Times? I dont have the desire or motivation...

EvMan717
15-01-2003, 02:40
Did Jesus smoke pot? Well think about it, he thought he was the "messiah" and the son of god, so I wouldn't be surprised if he used quite a few mind altering substances. As for the oil, in his day man had already discovered stronger narcotics, so why does it have to be weed oil?

eddi spgeddi
16-01-2003, 02:37
[quote]Originally posted by silverfucked:
However, sometimes i think people on this board always argue in favor of drug articles and never are really open minded to the other side of the argument...

the first phrase is correct... and the second part of this statement is tue to, but in this case prolly not relevant, why would i need to be open minded toward such drivil as the bible. its clearly crap. religion is evil, spirituality is real. will the real god please step forth and end the wars over his name, his son and his land. of course he wont, wonder why that is?
i personally hate organised religion and believe it does no good for humanity. and dont give me that charity bullshit... they just broker it on a percentage basis.
religion is a crutch and people would do better to believe in life-living than afterlife.
and as for Jesus...
he was angry at the church too. the money lenders, the rediculous gap between the rich and poor, the fee for absolution etc. a great man no doubt... the son of any god.. just a saying.
[ 16 January 2003: Message edited by: eddi spgeddi ]

GreenFingaz
16-01-2003, 16:36
I have read a few articles following a similar argument to this, and find no reason to doubt such a claim.
The use of cannabis and cannabis derivatives has been documented for thousands of years, all over the world. Why is it so hard to believe that Jesus may have used them? Because it might tar his "squeaky-clean" image? Because society has told us that drugs are "evil"? Or because people that have been anti-drugs don't want to conceive the fact that the "Son of God" may have used the very subsatnce to which they are opposed...
I'm not religious, never have been, doubt I ever will be. I think religion, whether it be Chritianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhsm, or whatever, is the root of the worlds evil...how many wars have not been caused due to religious, ideological conflict, or have not involved a religion being targeted. Very few...
Belief in a religion is the human races attempt to justify their meaningless existence on this little planet...
I'm affraid I have to follow the idea of William of Occam, and numerous people who have posted, that the simplest explantion is the most likely; Jesus, the son of God had "magical" powers, who could heal people, walk on water, turn water to wine etc., or that the use of drugs, by a man named Jesus, provided healing properties and mind altering experiences, was common practice, and that modern interpretations of such events are over-exaggerated, and have been altered over time like Chinese whispers. I beleive in the latter...
P.S, If im wrong, im fucked...but at least I can try and justify why I lived my life how I saw fit...

Mystryman
18-01-2003, 07:32
O Yeah, Jesus used pot? and healed with hash oil? Just like everyone thinks he had long hair too. I think it's another way to take a pop shot at Jesus and try to erase God out of exsistence, like people been doing 2000 years now. I find it hard to believe the Son of God had to use any drugs to heal anyone. And if anyone reads the bible not everyone healed was anointed with oil. Take the woman touching his garment(Mark 5:25-34)I don't see any oil used on her to dry the blood up. The oil was used for symbolic and prophetic reasons, just like the water was for baptizing. What will be next? They spiked the water they used to baptize with? If you believe He is God or not that's your business but I know one thing: Last time I checked the statistics 1 out of 1 people die, so we will all find out the truth sooner or later won't we? Something to think about. That's my take on it. Peace.
[ 18 January 2003: Message edited by: Mystryman ]

GreenFingaz
18-01-2003, 21:36
[quote]Just like everyone thinks he had long hair too
What, he went to the local barbers to get the latest style?

Mystryman
18-01-2003, 22:45
Hey Green, Actually he did. In the Old Testament law only people taking the vow of a Nazarite was not allowed to cut thier hair(Numbers 6:1-5). All others were instucted on how to cut thier hair(One example is Leviticus 19:27). Jesus was from the town of Nazareth, but didn't take the vow of a Nazarite. John the Baptist on the other hand did take the vow of a Nazarite(Matthew 3:3&4) In his case he had long hair. So that's why I made that comment, Most people think Jesus had long hair when the truth is He had his hair shaved to meet Old Testament law. Like all the others did in that day. You can check out the verses for your self. Hope this helps you out Green. Peace. ;-)

offyerface
19-01-2003, 02:27
yes i have a theory about jesus for a long time i think he was an opium dealer as well it would explain all thses visions and miracles all the people were tripped out on opium and were all hallucinating im glad someone has finally wrote about this as i have thought this for yeasr .im am canuma

GreenFingaz
19-01-2003, 13:51
Thankyou for enlightning me Mystryman...but im still sticking to my previous argument...

MBAwakeX
24-01-2003, 00:02
I go to Boston University and I have the classical myths class with the aforementioned Professor Carl Ruck. He is the coolest guy ever, we just watched a video today on the benefits and historical use of the Amanita Muscaria mushroom...
[ 24 January 2003: Message edited by: MBAwakeX ]

Vision13
26-12-2003, 23:59
There is no historical proof that a person named Jesus lived as portrayed in the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible was a mushroom and not a person. So claimed the Scholar John Allegro and his contemporary James Arthur. I just heard a radio interview on Cost To Coast AM and found it compelling as well as quite convincing in spite of the interviewers disbelief. He simply could not get it, as should be expected of a republican conservative. The religious fundamentalist will meet this theory with vitriol and disdain and certainly those in this forum who believe in Jesus as the Son of God and their personal savior will react in similar fashion. But truth is truth no matter how popular it is or how many people don't like it. The coolest thing is that Arthur also explains Santa as an anthropomorphized mushroom and explains every Christmas tradition as Shamanistic ritual including the Amanita muscaria. He says in the C2C interview that he is working on a new book with Jack Herer and so I assume he is also a HEMP activist, but he said nothing about Jesus smoking Marijuana. I assume that he would say that a non-existent person (or a mushroom) could not smoke anything. Very interesting!

Check out the guys website and some of the interviews available for download.

James Arthur (Mushrooms And Mankind) (http://www.jamesarthur.net)

Vision13
27-12-2003, 00:11
Originally posted by MBAwakeX
I go to Boston University and I have the classical myths class with the aforementioned Professor Carl Ruck. He is the coolest guy ever, we just watched a video today on the benefits and historical use of the Amanita Muscaria mushroom...
[ 24 January 2003: Message edited by: MBAwakeX ]

What is the name of this video? I would like to see it. Thanks, Daniel

BA
27-12-2003, 00:25
NOTE: Please note that this topic is almost a year old. :(

I don't see why this needed to be bumped back into circulation.

Vision13
27-12-2003, 02:07
I don't see why you would have a problem with this subject resurfacing.
I find it an interesting thread even if you have grown tired of it. I just joined this forum again after a long haitus and it was this subject that prompted me to subscribe again.

I'm just adding my input and showing my interest, I don't see any rules that say an old topic is off limits, is that a problem?

Besides I posted a link above to current events that deal with this subject, and described a radio show I just listened to. I don't see a need to start a brand new thread. Some folks have already expressed their Epinion and I'm interested in current thoughts on this subject. Plus I want to know the name of that video..

Vision13
01-01-2004, 01:05
C'mon, what's the name of that video? I really want to know..

Shucklak
10-01-2004, 04:15
if u can blindly believe in the bible why couldnt u believe that jesus smoked pot? either way ur accepting things on blind faith. oops sorry old thread

toolazy2think
10-01-2004, 06:12
lets test this out, i'll go to some african country with a bunch of weed, and i'll bet you i can convince them all that i am god...hell i bet if i got half of the people on here stoned enough i could get them believing that i'm god

Shucklak
11-01-2004, 06:15
^^^haha yeah. also bring some glowsticks and tell them its magic. some shrooms or acid might be even better. the cia used to experiment with lsd as a mind control device and if u think about it, u usually are more likely to do what someone tells you when you are tripping hard cause you have trouble making decisions for yourself cause you are tripping so hard.