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Yaj
06-05-2013, 20:00
Not trying to get into an argument or anything but fentanyl is like any other pharmaceutical opiate meaning it is sometimes stolen as you said but there are many other ways it makes its way into the black market like getting them sent in from other countries through corrupt doctors or over prescribing etc. It's not like the only way you get fent is buy stealing it from a kid dying of cancer. They prescribe morphine, dilaudid, oxys, you name it to people dying of cancer and all of those are found in abundance, obviously they are coming from other places besides theft of legal prescriptions from sick people... Like I said not trying to argue or anything just food for thought

hubs3
06-05-2013, 20:08
I know a guy who fucked up his leg playing football back when he was like 16 and it's more or less always gonna be fucked up and he is always copping bags just to help with the pain.

He gets prescription pills too but I think he sells half to get dope so idk how much is addiction and how much is legit pain but honestly in his case it might be both which is really sad.

I can't even talk about getting high around legit pain patients I just feel like a piece of shit

Don't feel guilty. I am a "legit" pain patient as you say.

But so are you and anyone who is on dope, and as I wrote about in another post here. I'll repete--I've never, ever, in my life met a person who is an addict or chipper on dope or opiates who does not have some underlying mental condition or is in deep denial of their condition or it has been repressed to the point that it is in the subconsoius and is being acted on conscously in dope use-pills, dope, or any narcotic (meaning opiate.) Depression, as I wrote, was treated until 1951 with legal heroin, until it was "deemed" additive. And as I said, ever try geting off an SSRI?


Oh shit man, I was just thinking that yesterday. The trash bag in my room only gets changed a few times a year because I never throw food or anything in it so it doesn't smell, and I don't produce a lot of trash in my bedroom anyway, but it's getting pretty full. I looked in it and saw a few envelopes from bills, a couple of empty lighters, and a few thousand dollars worth of empty dope bags. Like for real, this thing is filled mostly with tiny shreds of crumpled up wax paper with little stamps on them. It's fucking ridiculous. Makes me kind of sad to think about it

This post completely shows what I've been speaking of regarding underlying mental issues and the use of dope. Once your ADA skills slip, its over...and not empting trash is sure a lack of ADA skills.

But reading your complete post I could opine on the reason why you don't dump it given what' you describe is in it.

Beleive me: been there, done that. Probably a lot of us, too. But keeping drug paranaphialia in your house is way-uncool. Just flush the paper, what I do. As for "left-over" stuff that can't be flushed? Dump it in a street garbage can if you live in a city or just smother it with some goop that you're throwing out. No one in you 'hood will go thru that--even the "can people." (usually.) And make sure there is nothing in the garbage or trassh that has your name on it with you "stuff."

As it is--all garbage and trash is gone thu at either the state or municiple level depending on your locale.


Not trying to get into an argument or anything but fentanyl is like any other pharmaceutical opiate meaning it is sometimes stolen as you said but there are many other ways it makes its way into the black market like getting them sent in from other countries through corrupt doctors or over prescribing etc. It's not like the only way you get fent is buy stealing it from a kid dying of cancer. They prescribe morphine, dilaudid, oxys, you name it to people dying of cancer and all of those are found in abundance, obviously they are coming from other places besides theft of legal prescriptions from sick people... Like I said not trying to argue or anything just food for thought

No worries. If you read my post carefully I mentioned everything you said other than the over-seas Doc which is the exact same thing. As for the other stuff (opiates) you mention, what you say is a well known fact. i was only adressing Fent.

We're on the same page; as I said, no worries.

shimazu
06-05-2013, 20:32
Don't feel guilty. I am a "legit" pain patient as you say.

But so are you and anyone who is on dope, and as I wrote about in another post here. I'll repete--I've never, ever, in my life met a person who is an addict or chipper on dope or opiates who does not have some underlying mental condition or is in deep denial of their condition or it has been repressed to the point that it is in the subconsoius and is being acted on conscously in dope use-pills, dope, or any narcotic (meaning opiate.) Depression, as I wrote, was treated until 1951 with legal heroin, until it was "deemed" additive. And as I said, ever try geting off an SSRI?

yeah I got an underlying mental condition that drives me crazy it's called the society we live in.

I just choose to live outside it for the most part, except when I need to buy drugs and show up to work (to have money for drugs.)

I really can't feel bad for anyone's mental issues because I just see that as being weak-minded.

And you can say me not wanting to quit opiates forever is being weak minded but I look at it as entertainment and people blow money on things way more frivolous than a bundle of dope that will
keep me high as fuck for 2-3 days.

Meanwhile people go to the movies and drop $80 in one night when its all said and done

I'll take the bundle for 2-3 days and download some movies over the second option

Plus, I just like the suspense of it sometimes. Obviously, if you get locked up the suspense isn't so fun but areyou guys gonna sit here and tell me when you cop bags you don't get that giddy feeling when you're walking / driving away?

It's almost a high in and of itself for me

hubs3
06-05-2013, 20:38
yeah I got an underlying mental condition that drives me crazy it's called the society we live in.

I just choose to live outside it for the most part, except when I need to buy drugs and show up to work (too have money for drugs).

Bob's Your Uncle; My Point; or whatever discriptor works for you.

RecklessWOT
06-05-2013, 21:32
This post completely shows what I've been speaking of regarding underlying mental issues and the use of dope. Once your ADA skills slip, its over...and not empting trash is sure a lack of ADA skills.

But reading your complete post I could opine on the reason why you don't dump it given what' you describe is in it.

Beleive me: been there, done that. Probably a lot of us, too. But keeping drug paranaphialia in your house is way-uncool. Just flush the paper, what I do. As for "left-over" stuff that can't be flushed? Dump it in a street garbage can if you live in a city or just smother it with some goop that you're throwing out. No one in you 'hood will go thru that--even the "can people." (usually.) And make sure there is nothing in the garbage or trassh that has your name on it with you "stuff."

As it is--all garbage and trash is gone thu at either the state or municiple level depending on your locale.


Well yes I do have several mental issues. Depression, anxiety, and a hell of a personality disorder. I also have a very addictive personality. I know exactly why I'm addicted to drugs and alcohol. And yes I know I am not well.

But I don't think that not emptying my garbage is caused by anything other than the fact that it is not full and has no organic material rotting in it...

I live in the sticks. I bring my all of my household garbage to the town dump (technically just a transfer station now, the landfill has been closed for about 20 years) on one of the two days a week it's open, throw it in a trash compactor (which runs every time it gets full past a certain point), and the container is brought elsewhere to be incinerated. Pretty sure nobody is going through my trash. And even if they were, congratulations now they know I am a drug addict, I'm not the only one around here.



yeah I got an underlying mental condition that drives me crazy it's called the society we live in.

I just choose to live outside it for the most part, except when I need to buy drugs and show up to work (to have money for drugs.)

I really can't feel bad for anyone's mental issues because I just see that as being weak-minded.

And you can say me not wanting to quit opiates forever is being weak minded but I look at it as entertainment and people blow money on things way more frivolous than a bundle of dope that will
keep me high as fuck for 2-3 days.

Meanwhile people go to the movies and drop $80 in one night when its all said and done

I'll take the bundle for 2-3 days and download some movies over the second option

Plus, I just like the suspense of it sometimes. Obviously, if you get locked up the suspense isn't so fun but areyou guys gonna sit here and tell me when you cop bags you don't get that giddy feeling when you're walking / driving away?

It's almost a high in and of itself for me

I can agree with pretty much all of this

Tommyboy
07-05-2013, 02:43
Fent. is usually, as most of you know, used in last stage cancer. And lots of ppl drop dead after using dope cut w/ fent. The saddest use of fent are the lollypops laced with fent. that are givien out by oncological nurses to children with some form of cancer--usually some form of brain cancer such as the Blastoma forms.

It's really very sad. Anyone who can cop fent. patches is buying from the lowest scum on the earth. Pll who have connects with hospitals and just outright steal the stuff. And the next day, some poor soul is in excrutiating misery until some new fent. patches can be ordered/delivered. Most of these people who steal this stuff are nurses. Used to be Maintance people but now all hoptials are in such lock-down its impossible to get at the stuff unless you are authorized.

There are some exceptions where paitents themselves sell them as they are given too many and want money.

A pox on those dealers. Of ccourse as a coustomer, sometimes none of us have a choice, due to being in WDs.

I know you later said that you were only addressing fentanyl here and feel the same way about dealers of any prescription pills being sold on the street, but it sure seems like you feel that fentanyl dealers are worse than say oxycodone dealers. I've actually usually acquired both of those drugs from the same person since they were prescribed OxyContin for their all day chronic pain and the fentanyl lollipops for breakthrough pain. I never got fentanyl from some nurse who left some terminally ill child hanging while in pain so she could make some extra cash.

As for the fentanyl lollipops, as far as I know they aren't specifically made and marketed for children. If anything I think that they would be less likely to prescribe this to children due to its potency, although they do have a pretty wide range of dosages [200mcg-1600mcg]. Fentanyl has a higher buccal bioavailability than oral, so it's more effective to have it in a form that can be absorbed that way rather than a pill with a low oral BA. They have the patches for the extended release form of the medication but for anyone that needs an instant release form of the drug they have the lollipops.


Speaking of games, has any one been to a drug store recently and looked at the OTC product they are now selling in Brooklyn? I can tell you it is neither a "HomeRun" or baseball game at all. More like the tempo of a game of golf.

What are you referring to? It's way too vague for me to even begin to figure out.


But I don't think that not emptying my garbage is caused by anything other than the fact that it is not full and has no organic material rotting in it...

I live in the sticks. I bring my all of my household garbage to the town dump (technically just a transfer station now, the landfill has been closed for about 20 years) on one of the two days a week it's open, throw it in a trash compactor (which runs every time it gets full past a certain point), and the container is brought elsewhere to be incinerated. Pretty sure nobody is going through my trash. And even if they were, congratulations now they know I am a drug addict, I'm not the only one around here.

Yea I would do the same thing if I was in your position. I used to do basically the same thing but after returning to my house after getting kicked out I am more cautious. I never threw intact stamp bags in there, but would cut them up so you couldn't tell what they were. So between the cut up stamp bags, some cottons, and papers used to crush up pills in I didn't have much other garbage in the can in my room so there was no real reason to throw it out until it was full, which took a good month or so.

chinky
07-05-2013, 05:03
Fent. is usually, as most of you know, used in last stage cancer. And lots of ppl drop dead after using dope cut w/ fent. The saddest use of fent are the lollypops laced with fent. that are givien out by oncological nurses to children with some form of cancer--usually some form of brain cancer such as the Blastoma forms.

It's really very sad. Anyone who can cop fent. patches is buying from the lowest scum on the earth. Pll who have connects with hospitals and just outright steal the stuff. And the next day, some poor soul is in excrutiating misery until some new fent. patches can be ordered/delivered. Most of these people who steal this stuff are nurses. Used to be Maintance people but now all hoptials are in such lock-down its impossible to get at the stuff unless you are authorized.

There are some exceptions where paitents themselves sell them as they are given too many and want money.

A pox on those dealers. Of ccourse as a coustomer, sometimes none of us have a choice, due to being in WDs.

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or they are people who have cancer but cant afford the meds so being already so over scriped they sell what they dont need to pay for the rest of what they actually do need..that was how i had my OC80 and xanax hook..and this buy was selling them far cheaer then anyone else cause it wasnt about the money, it was about trust and having to only deal with 1 person(me) and by selling 3/4s of his 2 scripts(OCs and xanax) he was ableto pay for the rest of the otehr `0pills he had to take everyday..so they all arent the lowest scum



I am sick of the game too. I basically live and breath to shoot speedballs. Im either in withdrawals, or getting high. I feel like i have like 1,000,000 little glass vials and ripped dope bags around my place and thats teh fruits of like the past 5 years of my labors lol lol i can relate to the 1,000,000 glass vials

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm74/papacy_album/Snapshot_20120102_3.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm74/papacy_album/Snapshot_20120102_4.jpg
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm74/papacy_album/Snapshot_20120102_12.jpg
the 3rd pic i cant remeber but i think the small bag had 50emptys in it and i was just showing how many could possibly be in the big bag


Oh shit man, I was just thinking that yesterday. The trash bag in my room only gets changed a few times a year because I never throw food or anything in it so it doesn't smell, and I don't produce a lot of trash in my bedroom anyway, but it's getting pretty full. I looked in it and saw a few envelopes from bills, a couple of empty lighters, and a few thousand dollars worth of empty dope bags. Like for real, this thing is filled mostly with tiny shreds of crumpled up wax paper with little stamps on them. It's fucking ridiculous. Makes me kind of sad to think about it
lol see above pix..theres a few thousand bux worth of empties..i used to always save a little in each cap so on rainy days i would have a little stash to dipo into and get right. well i started to save the empty empties by7 putting them in a arizona ice tea can and i did it to se how long it would take me to fill the can up and i dont remeber how long it took me, i just know that i did it and those where the depressing results..and yes like you said in youre post, when you see all of them in a bag and realize each capsule is $10 you get that sick to your stomach feeling cause thats all you have left to show of the money ou spent.


I'm so sick of being an addict myself, but whenever I try to get clean I can only make it 2-3 weeks before the depression gets the best of me. That plus I have absolutely no energy and with the amount of hours I work I can't afford to be all tired edgy all the time. Its gonna be really hard to do without taking some time off/getting away from everything so I can clear my head. I did just buy a motorcycle though so I'm hoping if I spend all my time hammering around on that I will be able to keep my mind off drugs (lol or all over the road but hey at least I'm not using). The thing that worries me about PAWS is that I've heard that shit can last years... if so I may have to quit my job

trust me if you quit your job you will use way mor tehn you did when you had the job cause you have so much free time on your hands you really have nothing to do or think about except getting high..when i lost my job my use doubled cause instead of usng on the weekends and chipping liks i usually did i starteed using whenever i was bored

you got to find yoursel a hobby that gets you excited like using drugs do. like my dad before he relapsed and started drinking again, he started buying antiques and guns and other things to collect that he usually would have spent on alcohol and whatever else. his "second bank account"is what he called the things he collected cause "this is your inheritance that the bank wont know about". but so he basically substituted drinking with going out and collecting things and so when he wanted to get a drink he bascially would go out to garage sales and auxtions and flea markets and thrift stores and go on "the hunt" for anyhting really..he loved costume jewlery cause more times then not he would find a piece of real gold in the box of costume jewlelry and pay $.25 and then go pawn it for 75bucks or something and then we would go to toys-r-us and spend it all on us..and i remeber he spicifically saying when i was about 11 and he just found a white gold ring with diamonds in it and had me walk up and pay $1.50 and as we walked to the car he said "god this better then any beer ever was" and i really believed him cause those were the times i actually seem him happy and loving life (aside from watching us play sports even though he hgated sports..we were just too good for him not to like it..its hard not to cheer when your kid hits a homerun, ya know?) but yeah i dunno i dont blame myself for him starting to drink again but i know it prolly played a little part in it. i had just started highschool and you know, you want to hang out with your friends , not your parents, and thats what i kinda did, plua plYING SPROTS IN HIGHSCHOOL IS LIKE HAVING A FULLTIME JOB..so ther was a few times when he would ask if i wanted to hit up some gatrage sales or an auction and i would tell him "no and i got plans,maybe next week" and he would plkay it cool and i didnt htink much abouti it then but as i look back i realize that im sure it hurt him not hanging out like wwe used to and me choosing my friends over him but thats life in general, i have a kid brother who is 5years younger then me and he didnt get to even know my dad really and my sister who is 3years younger hated my dad and only recently i found out why and its because he would take me to the garage sales and what not and not her..so i dont relally blame myself cause he could have took either one of them more often then he did and if i was busy doing something and told him no, he could have went with either of them and had just as good of time if not more cajuse they craved the attenetion more but cause i was the oldest he kinda favored me, and if i didnt want to go then no one did. and i gotta put that blame on my dad.

chinky
07-05-2013, 05:14
wow only my dumb ass can miss the last 10minutes of the bulls game by typing this post and watching antiques roadshow...fuckin PBS and their no commercials, its the best thing cause there is no commercials but i cant tell you how many times ive missed what i wanted to watchcause i flipped to something on PBS and forgot to flip back cause there was no commercial...`100s of tv shows over the years

IMO PBS is the best network cause everythign thats on it for the most part is actually very interesting is you have some sort in intelligence. no matter if its charlie rose (best interviewer in the world IMO), to cooking shows, to nature shows, or NOVA, POV, check please, antiques roadshow and i can name so many other shows and all with no commercials..best way to kill the day is to find chciago history programs by geoffery baer and learning everything you need to about the city and the surrounding suburbs

smokemctoke420
07-05-2013, 05:17
that sucks about your pops chink. on another note, god fucking damn thats alot of caps bro, thats gotta be a crazy amount of money and if that little bag has 50 that big bag has to have AT LEAST 500-600, if not more. thats crazy.

RecklessWOT
07-05-2013, 05:26
Yeah it's weird, I got a kid brother that's a little more than 10 years younger than me. Now whenever i hang out with my dad it's like some 48 year old asshole is trying to get me to get him high. It's cool but it gets weird once in a while. We got caught by my brother in Jamaica and played it off like it wasn't a big deal.

chinky
07-05-2013, 05:35
^^^as you all know my pops has passed..so een if hes a 48year old pathetic shmuck who is trying to always get you to get him high, at least hes still there and you can get high with him. hopefully your little brother will step up and takes the initiative, maybe with your help and yall can do somethings together, even if its going to a baseball game or a fishing trip or anything really..cause you never know how long they will be here. and you never realize how much you want to do with someone and how much you have to say to them until after the chance has passed to do so..and i say that with first hand knowlege. i will never not visit someojne who is in the hospital a\cause the last time i did that i never seen that person again. i was too scared to go see my uncle after his anuerism cause i had never visited anyone in the hospital before that. i didnt have anyone in my family die while i was alive to that point and was just turning 15, the week he had his accident and didnt fully understand how seriously sick he was. my uncle was 6'4 and over 400lbs (which we didnt know until after he died, w thought he was like 350 max) so he wasa monster of a man. even at 13,14 he would pick me upp with one hand over his head liuke i was a doll and to us he was superman, like i said he had no wife or kids, he ran his own landscaping business with 5 fulltime workers, he always gave the best presents and like come visit and give us a $50 or %100 bill and tell us niot to tell our mom and to buywhatever we wanted...and they kept tellin me he was getting better and his speech was getting better and he was sitting up and then walking and then literally got he point of them talking about him going home and the next day he was dead. which now i see as that happens to people in the hospitalk alot. they will be in bad shape and then all of a sudden they get better and im talking cure cancer better and then die the next day..kindal ike them giving one last push to see veryone and say goodbye...but i figured he would be home ina couple days and everything would be fine and that never happened...

my parents split when my mom was still pregnant with my brother, so he never really knew him and basically looked at my uncle (moms brother,who had no kids) as his dad just like my sister did and myself to a lesser extent..what really sucks though is my uncle passed like 6years before my dad when he was like 9. so they lost their second dad first and then lost their real dad and so i had to step up and i did, i coached his baseball and football teams and other things with the help of my friends. i cant leave them out cause every team i coached i had to turn away people who wanted to be "official" coaches. no matter if it was football or baseball i always had firends who wanted to coach with me and inturn that made me want toi do it.


that sucks about your pops chink. on another note, god fucking damn thats alot of caps bro, thats gotta be a crazy amount of money and if that little bag has 50 that big bag has to have AT LEAST 500-600, if not more. thats crazy.

yeah at least

man its pretty pathetic really..you never realze how much you actually do, even if you got the bank recipets until you do something like that and see all the empty bags..and ive done that more then once but i have since stopped saving them like that

and i will admit that i was getting 14 for the price of 10 and 7 for 5..so everyone wasnt 10$ cause i didnt buy them 1 at a time, but if i did thats what they would have been.

Welderman
07-05-2013, 06:06
I had a drawer full of empty dime bags and it sucked realizing how much money and time I wasted on it. Now I always dispose of anything like that soon as it is empty.

XThexXTank
07-05-2013, 06:29
Yeh I gotta bag fulla empty baggies wich is close to a 2000 that's just from personal use an like 15 unmarked scrip bottles. Haha idk what to do with em I just put em ina bag just in case the cops bust in my door I can grab it an run hahaha.

But ona serious note y'all I gotta quick question. I'm doin this fuckin cold turkey thing again an after tonite ima be in day 3 of havnt touched nothin. What is weird everyone I know be sayin yeah it takes boutta week to get through the worse. But honestly I'm feelina whole lot bettr now later in the day. My ? Is this like the 'eye of the storm'? Is it gonna get worse? I'm still withdrawin bad but it ain't like it was the 1st day am most of today. So what y'all think?

chinky
07-05-2013, 06:43
i think physically days 3-5 are the worst and they slowyt get better but thats when the mental park comes flyin in and thats when its real nice to have good weed and a bong..or a couple benzos and that bong and a few beers cause the mental pain is much worse then the physical, thats mental pain could rteally last for weeks and whats bad is it isnt consistant. you can be fine for a ocuple days or week and then see something on tv like "bubz shootin up on the wire" and before the scene is over youre in your phonebook textin your dude to see if hes around..so weed is key and thats how i get rid of that mental part,cause is just does enough to acutally make me forget and thats the point but i always used subs, never quit cold turkey..hell i think i went 10days clean with just subs like twice this past year, other then that ive been using 3 sometimes 4x a week

chefman
07-05-2013, 09:13
Ive only gone like 6days clean and I felt like shit as soon as the withdrawl hit 2nd day and I was sick the whole time after that,my habbit wasnt that big about 6 sawbux a day.

Welderman
07-05-2013, 13:11
Chinky I got a little respect for you for stepping up when your dad and uncle passed. No matter what you do in life no one can take that away from you. It was a sad and heartwarming story.

chefman
07-05-2013, 22:36
Your a.good man Chinko!!

XThexXTank
08-05-2013, 04:29
Hey y'all I gotta nother quick question cuz thus is where I turn to for info an I ain't tryna fuck anythin up.

2moro is gonna be the fourth day of cold turkey kickin the shit an I'm feelin better but problem is I got a fuckin job interview. Ya I know perfect timin rite. An Friday I should be in for work. So the only thing I got is my boy hooked me up with a sub strip. If I take let's say 1mg of suboxone will that reset the last 3 days? If it will ima just tough it out but if it'll kill the withdraw just so I can make it threw interview an back to reg detox I should be good for work by Friday so what do y'all think.

Weird shit but ill even take .5mg or even less if I gotta I just don't wanna reset all that an be good to go by Friday for work for.

Welderman
08-05-2013, 04:36
I don't think it would fuck it up too bad. Maybe try .25 first obviously you want to use the bare minimum to get you by. The trick is to controll yourself so you don't take the whole strip. The self control is what I struggle with.

RedLeader
08-05-2013, 04:42
It won't resent anything. In fact, taking a small dose of Sub there would be one of the ways the drug is intended to be taken. Hell, take it now.

Think of it like drinking beer during a liquor hangover. You dis a dozen shots of vodka last night and feel like death today. One beer is gonna help that hangover, and not really extend the hangover. Drink an entire case over the next few days and you are gonna feel like shit a lot longer. Not a perfect analogy, but you get what I mean.

You got one strip? You can get four 2mg doses that should hold you 12+ hours each. You can only help yourself with that amount of Sub at 3 days clean.

Good luck, I hope you get the job!

XThexXTank
08-05-2013, 04:42
Ok cool yall thanks for the reply appreciate it. Yeah I'm not trynna withdraw for the actual job either cuz its a blue coller labor job. Its settin up shit for huge parties/weddings/high school grads an unloadin trucks etc so I ain't trynna do that while withdrawin haha.

thesameoldfears
08-05-2013, 04:52
i used to always save a little in each cap so on rainy days i would have a little stash to dipo into and get right.

I always do that! I've never met anyone else who did it as well, and people have thought it's more trouble than it's worth. But imo I'm not gonna notice a 10th of my bag gone, but I sure as hell will notice when I can add all those little bits up and get well.

Tommyboy
08-05-2013, 06:35
Hey y'all I gotta nother quick question cuz thus is where I turn to for info an I ain't tryna fuck anythin up.

2moro is gonna be the fourth day of cold turkey kickin the shit an I'm feelin better but problem is I got a fuckin job interview. Ya I know perfect timin rite. An Friday I should be in for work. So the only thing I got is my boy hooked me up with a sub strip. If I take let's say 1mg of suboxone will that reset the last 3 days? If it will ima just tough it out but if it'll kill the withdraw just so I can make it threw interview an back to reg detox I should be good for work by Friday so what do y'all think.

Weird shit but ill even take .5mg or even less if I gotta I just don't wanna reset all that an be good to go by Friday for work for.

I went through several job interviews in withdrawal since I wasn't sure what their drug testing policy was and I wanted to be prepared in the event that I got hired contingent on me passing the drug test. I used loperamide, this way I didn't have to worry about me shitting myself in the interview, and I could be finished kicking if I got hired since the 16mg dose of loperamide wouldn't really set me back at all in regards to completing the withdrawal without prolonging it.


It won't resent anything. In fact, taking a small dose of Sub there would be one of the ways the drug is intended to be taken. Hell, take it now.

Think of it like drinking beer during a liquor hangover. You dis a dozen shots of vodka last night and feel like death today. One beer is gonna help that hangover, and not really extend the hangover. Drink an entire case over the next few days and you are gonna feel like shit a lot longer. Not a perfect analogy, but you get what I mean.

You got one strip? You can get four 2mg doses that should hold you 12+ hours each. You can only help yourself with that amount of Sub at 3 days clean.

Good luck, I hope you get the job!

If he's already starting to feel better after 3 days clean then a 2mg dose would probably hold him a good 24 hours. Taking 2mg doses for 4 days would definitely just prolong the withdrawal , so if anything I would take weldermans advice and use 0.25mg to get through the interview more comfortably. If that dose doesn't help then increase by 0.25mg until you hit a dose that does, which I don't see being any more than 1-2 mg.

Starting a new job with a habit really sucks, so that's why I say he should just get the withdrawals over with by not taking anything unless he would feel too shitty during the interview where it could affect his chances of getting the job. If that's the case then my recommendation is either loperamide or a single low dose of suboxone.

BlueHues
08-05-2013, 06:53
^It's one of those things that's a tough call.....you could just do a quick, really low dose taper....like 1, .5, .25 and done, or something like that...I'd be a little scared, especially after toughing out 4 days CT, which is a heroic feat BTW!

It really is a tough call, use the sub if you feel you need it....If I was to do it, I'd do a taper, having one day of being "well" and then going back into WDs would fuck with my head too much!

Mr.Scagnattie
08-05-2013, 08:12
What up all.

Sitting here at 1am dope sick, about 30 hours from my last shot. Got about 8mg's of suboxone in my system but I'm still feeling like shit and can't sleep. I'm praying to god that the bupe starts doing its thing tomorrow for me. I can't take this shit. I just wanna be back stabilized on suboxone, work, be with my girl, and live for a while before I start to taper down.

Fuck the dope. My body wants it now because it's ill but I'm so disgusted by it at the moment and the whole charade of being a dope fiend, that I'm not even thinking about going to score.

Fuck.

Tommyboy
08-05-2013, 08:16
^ I try to wait 36 hours before dosing the suboxone and that seems to make all the difference. However, waiting those 36 hours is easier said than done. Congrats on waiting that long though and best of luck with sticking to it!

XThexXTank
08-05-2013, 08:29
Took 1mg earlier tonite. Pretty good yo it was temptin just layin in bed felt likee I was ina bathtub of ice had the chills like a motherfucker damn I hate those so much.

But yeah man fuck this insomnia. Can't sleep at all I'm up watchin adult swim they got some funny shows late nite like squidbillies an aqua teen hunger force haha love that.

SuperDope
08-05-2013, 10:02
good luck tank! Know you've been trying for awhile! Keep it up....

pm me if you need any advice or help

Mzral
08-05-2013, 17:57
Seems like there's several heads in this thread trying to kick dope, so this is the thread I should be posting in. I just got on a sub maintenance program after months of being on a waiting list and I've already pissed dirty once and I think I'm going to again. I spent all this time doing the right thing and when it came, I just wasn't ready to let the dope go, even though I know it's taking it's toll on my personal life. Used dope yesterday after my test and it felt so good. I really have to try and forget that feeling and maybe do a quick taper with the subs I'm prescribed to and kick the shit once and for all. It's now or never.

Mr.Scagnattie
08-05-2013, 18:11
Feel infinitely better today now still on the subs. I took a seroquel and actually slept last night which was a fucking Godsend. By tomorrow, I'll be 100% back stabalized on the suboxone thank fucking Goddd!

Hah. Now it's just a matter of not going back to dope like a dumb ass and actually successfully executing a taper. But, a problem for another day. Right now I feel good, I feel clear, and am glad to not be jamming needles in my hand.

hubs3
09-05-2013, 00:55
Feel infinitely better today now still on the subs. I took a seroquel and actually slept last night which was a fucking Godsend. By tomorrow, I'll be 100% back stabalized on the suboxone thank fucking Goddd!

Hah. Now it's just a matter of not going back to dope like a dumb ass and actually successfully executing a taper. But, a problem for another day. Right now I feel good, I feel clear, and am glad to not be jamming needles in my hand.

I read the other stuff you posted elsewhere. That waiting is key as Tomby says. I've gone back and forth between bup and h more times than I care to admit. I'm glad you're better. And the seq. you took I'm sure helped. I always, and as others have said, use benzos thru the whole process. Something else is good also. Menthol--natrural or synth. In the past, when went thru that hellish waiting game b4 inducing sub, I've slathered myself with vicks vapo-rub. especially my face and nostrols (outside and the tips into the cavity) and used some form of menthol solve on my lips. Why menthol? its an natural realxer and hits the opiate receptors in wds. Many studies have shown that ppl who live in urban areas smoke mentol cigs. due to the stress level of daily life. As a 2 pack guy myself, I always mix it up with menthol and regs. Now the trick is to sty stable for a couple of weeks and try to taper off. Bup long term, and as so many others have said including myself, is a nightmere. nasty stuff. But if you can get off of it, you'll be home free. So hard, I know. I'm rooting 4 U. And for anyone else trying to kick. I'm no longer addicted physically to any opiate, but the psych. addiction is out of site and I certainly chip. But I force myself to let a few days go by. Some can quit, some can't some can use like I am doing now. But what I'm doing is playing with fire and I know it. If I really get the cravings bad and I know if i use I'm looking at addiction again, I just try and remeber how hard it was to get out and off. So far its working. As to the future, i have no idea. And that's the scary part. As far as inducing sub, I use the COWS scale. But everybodies body is differnt. But as Tomboy said, you must endure it. And damn hard it is. be well.

Effect
09-05-2013, 09:00
^never heard that menthol acts on opiate receptors before

RedLeader
09-05-2013, 09:06
I overdid it with menthols and stimulants during my raver days, and now even a whiff of a menthol makes my heart pound like what some of you guys say about coke triggers.

Welderman
09-05-2013, 17:34
I like menthol cigs. They are referred to as "fine young gentleman" mints by some people.

MemphisX3
09-05-2013, 22:31
I am a multiple pain patient. Of course I started out in this game before I was a pain patient so the thing I really need is also the thing that can hurt me as well now. But I can tell you that 100% of my seeking out product now is to make sure I have adaquate "medication" around for pain. I went to my Doc and he guardedly perscribed 5 Oxy 10s and explained tha in my locale that the patient/Doc/Pham is tracked with all narcotic scripts. i could not even find a pharm to fill the script or would fill the script. Should have had the Doc call it in, as if that may have made a difference? So I simply have taken matters into my own hands and at the risk we all take in this game.

But I am not alone. I have read stories elsewhere of wives driving into some 'hood to cop for their husbands with terminal cancer, and when the docs simply would not write enough as the patient wasn't ready for a morphine drip or some such thing. And the patient wasn't even an substance abuser. I can tell you this type of AMA mania does not exist in other places.

im in the same boat bro...what a horrible game they make us play...

Unbreakable
10-05-2013, 02:14
I too have seen cancer patients send out friends or family to cop heroin in the hood because the doctors all the sudden cut the dosage down 75% of what people have been using for years.... Just imagine having a problem like cancer and than on top off it going through w/d and even Chemo too.... I felt sorry for the guy I told him it would be cheaper for him to buy a sleeve once a month rather than pay for the pharmacy for the pills he needs and yet still not have enough....Some of these people stop filling the prescription and just move on to the dope because its cheaper..... Why spend 200 on pills that wont last you a month when for some more money you will have enough herion to last the month...

chinky
11-05-2013, 05:25
until 2months down the road and you cant afford the dope habit anymore and so they start slamming the dope and ruin their lives in a completely new way.

then when they wantt o switch back to the pills cause he dope has completly took over, they realize their tolerance is threw the roof and the pills they are scripted dont have an effect anymore, and they are screwed in everyway

chefman
11-05-2013, 06:25
True that chinky,taking,pills does notta after doin dope .

chinky
11-05-2013, 06:59
they might keep the sick off but thats about it..good luck getting any reiief or catching a high though

chefman
11-05-2013, 07:15
yeah,i wouldnt even bother even to just get the sick of,youd have to take so much and their is so much asprin in some of them pills.

Tommyboy
11-05-2013, 08:06
I'm pretty set on taking a break from dope. I got high tuesday, then took off until today and was starting to come around but gave in for one reason or another. I guess one of the reasons what because I had a list of things to do around the house so it was either not do dope and feel too shitty to do the stuff and get high at night to deal with getting bitched at for not doing everything listed, or just get the dope so I could do all the work around the house which was the option I chose.

My regular dealer got a horrible batch of dope so that's part of the reason I wanted to stop. The other was that work slowed down a bit so my funds were limited, and if I tapped into my savings to get high my parents would have noticed and that would have led to a huge fight and me possibly getting kicked out of my house.

So instead I just stopped cold turkey, with nighttime cold medicine [DXM and doxylamine] being the only drugs I had in my withdrawal arsenal. I'm going to get some clonidine within the next day or so and I should be set as long as I have 3 days off from work in a row. Plan is to do the 3 bags I have left tomorrow afternoon/night, and that will carry me through Sunday before the withdrawals begin. I'm hoping that these 2 days of use don't put me back to square one with kicking, but they probably will minus a little intensity which the clonidine should take care of anyway.

I should have just stuck it out through my kick I was just going through but you know how that goes sometimes. It really wasn't that bad despite having been shooting 5 bags a day of some good dope. I guess that's because it didn't become daily until a few weeks ago, and it's just been a month of steady use, which by my definition is 3-4 days a week.

BlueHues
11-05-2013, 08:35
^You've already had more than a chip for awhile....half a bundle a day for two weeks in your position probably definitely locked you into a true habit.....The first few times you can usually bounce back pretty quickly. It took me awhile to really experience the WDs in their full glory! I'm still not much of puker, it took years before I actually started vomiting from withdrawal, and I still don't get it as bad as some people I know.

You'll probably be able to completely bounce back pretty quickly if you stop now. There's a lot of people who talk about opiate withdrawal like it never ends, and for most people that truly stop and stick it out, it does go away.

You always hear the horror stories about the guy who went to prison on 200mgs of methadone, or the guy who finally kicked a ridiculous dope run in lock up. It's bad, and there's people who have done it twice as long as me, so I don't know everything. but people exaggerate big-time when it comes to drugs. It is scary to kick dope, even if it's just a minor habit. All this self-loathing tries to overwhelm you. the best thing to do is just move on and live your life. I've babied myself way too much. Lived with my parents and hid in bed for months on end because "I was quitting hard-drugs"....A lot of it was laziness and not knowing how to go out and be around normal people.

Wow, I sound like I'm on the podium at a 12 step conference!

chinky
11-05-2013, 09:22
^^^you make it sound like hes never taken a break from dope or like he is a noob to the game..lol i think he more then knows what he is doing...


I'm pretty set on taking a break from dope. I got high tuesday, then took off until today and was starting to come around but gave in for one reason or another. I guess one of the reasons what because I had a list of things to do around the house so it was either not do dope and feel too shitty to do the stuff and get high at night to deal with getting bitched at for not doing everything listed, or just get the dope so I could do all the work around the house which was the option I chose.

My regular dealer got a horrible batch of dope so that's part of the reason I wanted to stop. The other was that work slowed down a bit so my funds were limited, and if I tapped into my savings to get high my parents would have noticed and that would have led to a huge fight and me possibly getting kicked out of my house.

So instead I just stopped cold turkey, with nighttime cold medicine [DXM and doxylamine] being the only drugs I had in my withdrawal arsenal. I'm going to get some clonidine within the next day or so and I should be set as long as I have 3 days off from work in a row. Plan is to do the 3 bags I have left tomorrow afternoon/night, and that will carry me through Sunday before the withdrawals begin. I'm hoping that these 2 days of use don't put me back to square one with kicking, but they probably will minus a little intensity which the clonidine should take care of anyway.

I should have just stuck it out through my kick I was just going through but you know how that goes sometimes. It really wasn't that bad despite having been shooting 5 bags a day of some good dope. I guess that's because it didn't become daily until a few weeks ago, and it's just been a month of steady use, which by my definition is 3-4 days a week.

what i wanna know is how would your parents know about what you do with your money? more particular with your savings account?

Tommyboy
11-05-2013, 09:24
^ Since I moved back home they have me give them $60/day to hold onto for me so I don't blow it on drugs. It's not in a savings account and I know where it is so if I borrowed from myself they would figure something was up. Work slowed down recently and I was only giving them that much money for about 3 weeks, so it's not all that much money, but they have the amount written down so they know how much should be in the envelope.

It's kind of like a stipulation for me being able to live back at home since part of that money goes towards rent, and the rest is for when I'm going to get a car or an apartment, so even though they are holding onto it for me it's mine when I need it to buy something worthwhile. I don't mind it since I probably would have blown more money one dope if they hadn't done this.


^You've already had more than a chip for awhile....half a bundle a day for two weeks in your position probably definitely locked you into a true habit.....The first few times you can usually bounce back pretty quickly. It took me awhile to really experience the WDs in their full glory! I'm still not much of puker, it took years before I actually started vomiting from withdrawal, and I still don't get it as bad as some people I know.

You'll probably be able to completely bounce back pretty quickly if you stop now. There's a lot of people who talk about opiate withdrawal like it never ends, and for most people that truly stop and stick it out, it does go away.

You always hear the horror stories about the guy who went to prison on 200mgs of methadone, or the guy who finally kicked a ridiculous dope run in lock up. It's bad, and there's people who have done it twice as long as me, so I don't know everything. but people exaggerate big-time when it comes to drugs. It is scary to kick dope, even if it's just a minor habit. All this self-loathing tries to overwhelm you. the best thing to do is just move on and live your life. I've babied myself way too much. Lived with my parents and hid in bed for months on end because "I was quitting hard-drugs"....A lot of it was laziness and not knowing how to go out and be around normal people.

Wow, I sound like I'm on the podium at a 12 step conference!

My worst kick was from suboxone. I was prescribed 32mg/day (I know, I know....) back in 2007, and took an average of 16mg/day for the 18 months I was on it. When I went away to school I had looked up suboxone doctors in the area and saw that there were 2, so figured I would have no problem getting it prescribed to me while away at school.

Of course I waited until the last minute to try to get an appointment, only to find out that there was a 3 month waiting list. Not a problem though, because my doctor had told me that suboxone withdrawal was minor compared to full opioids! I tapered down from 16mg to nothing in about two weeks, and by day 2 the fun started. Days 3-5 were the worst, with zero sleep zero appetite, and zero solid bowels.

The worst of it was over by day 8, and it took another week before I was back to around 80%. I lost a good 20lbs, and for the only time in my college career I stayed in for two weekends in a row without drinking. A few weeks later I discovered poppy pods on ebay, but it was a few weeks too late, but did at least help keep me from having to deal with PAWS for a little while.

My second biggest shock after how bad the withdrawals were, was how much the suboxone had raised my tolerance. When I got home for winter break and started dabbling with pain killers again I discovered that my tolerance was higher than it was before I got on suboxone (of course the first few uses got me high, but after that I needed way more than usual) but luckily I wasn't using that often.

I blame my 18 months on suboxone for permanently keeping my baseline tolerance high, with 60mg of oxycodone being about what I will always need to get me high even after taking 6 months off. I can get high off of 40mg the first time after a long break, but then it's 60 and rising each use after that, then when I get back into dope it's around 4-5 bags to get me high as long as I don't go too crazy with it.

Having said all of that, knowing what we now know about suboxone kicking it isn't as bad as my experience since the dose I was on is way higher than what we know we should be taking, and with a proper taper kicking is way more manageable than what I had to go though. I just happened to be prescribed it when it first became popular, and I doubt you will ever hear of someone being prescribed 32mg/day like I had been.

BlueHues
11-05-2013, 11:49
^32 mgs of Sub is insane! And they used to tell everyone that "there's no withdrawals at all"....If only that were true, it would be a miracle drug!

I know Tommy knows what's up, but that needle makes the whole situation more urgent! You get sicker quicker from IV, but it does something mentally to you to. You really start to see heroin as an absolute necessity...I'm just sayin it doesn't feel good to hit 30 with a dope habit and realize you spent you're whole 20s in a nod. when you're in your 20s, people don't expect you to have your shit together and world is a little more forgiving.

If you're 30,have criminal record, you're on dope and you have a workhistory with more gaps in it than you can even make up lies about to put on a resume, the world just writes you off! It fucks with your self-esteem and makes you wanna just keep getting high. The years just fly after 25!

Mr.Scagnattie
11-05-2013, 19:24
Yeah the amount of bullshit the doctors and "experts" threw out there about suboxone when it first was becoming popular (and still throw out even now) was/is unbelievable. Practically everything they said about it was utter crap. Withdrawals no big deal, takes away cravings, can't get high on it, can't be abused, blah blah blah. Horse shit.

beengerman
11-05-2013, 19:48
horrid suboxone withdrawals after your dependent on them.
haven't ever been able to stay off.
4 days into this try.

shit is BEAT

Tommyboy
11-05-2013, 21:56
Yeah the amount of bullshit the doctors and "experts" threw out there about suboxone when it first was becoming popular (and still throw out even now) was/is unbelievable. Practically everything they said about it was utter crap. Withdrawals no big deal, takes away cravings, can't get high on it, can't be abused, blah blah blah. Horse shit.

And you can't forget the whole "the naloxone in the suboxone prevents you from IVing it, making it harder to abuse than subutex" but I'm sure that's what you were implying in your post when you mentioned how they said it can't be abused.

Ahh, if I had a track mark for every time I have seen someone mention that their doctor told them one of those lies/myths I wouldn't have been able to hit a vein in years, and even hitting my jugular would have been a distant memory.

OpiateGuy
11-05-2013, 22:22
^32 mgs of Sub is insane! And they used to tell everyone that "there's no withdrawals at all"....If only that were true, it would be a miracle drug!

I know Tommy knows what's up, but that needle makes the whole situation more urgent! You get sicker quicker from IV, but it does something mentally to you to. You really start to see heroin as an absolute necessity...I'm just sayin it doesn't feel good to hit 30 with a dope habit and realize you spent you're whole 20s in a nod. when you're in your 20s, people don't expect you to have your shit together and world is a little more forgiving.

If you're 30,have criminal record, you're on dope and you have a workhistory with more gaps in it than you can even make up lies about to put on a resume, the world just writes you off! It fucks with your self-esteem and makes you wanna just keep getting high. The years just fly after 25!
God damn, that sounds fucking awful. Extremely honest and true, but awful still.. Thank god Im trying to finally get my shit together at 22 (and I thought I was too late)

chinky
14-05-2013, 08:27
^

I know Tommy knows what's up, but that needle makes the whole situation more urgent! You get sicker quicker from IV, but it does something mentally to you to. You really start to see heroin as an absolute necessity...I'm just sayin it doesn't feel good to hit 30 with a dope habit and realize you spent you're whole 20s in a nod. when you're in your 20s, people don't expect you to have your shit together and world is a little more forgiving.

If you're 30,have criminal record, you're on dope and you have a workhistory with more gaps in it than you can even make up lies about to put on a resume, the world just writes you off! It fucks with your self-esteem and makes you wanna just keep getting high. The years just fly after 25!
yeah man i cant agree more about them writing you off..like for me i dont know wether to lie or not about having a felony. the last 2 jobs(botrh retail) didnt even drug test or run a background check, so i always am reluctantt to0 put that on there cause i know being fro mthe retail management position, if you see a felonby you pretty much toss it causetheres no many other people that dont have one. and why i struggle with it is bc mine is just fgor weed possission. which most people wouldnt really care about but it never gets that far really if i do tell the truth. then after putting in say 10-15 a week and you dont even get calls back, you kinda get depressed and stop looking and just keep getting high abnd like you said the years fly byafter 25. im only 27 but i havent had "real" job in like 4years..orginally i was just gonna take the summer off cause i wourked from 17-24 parttime so i never really got the perks like paid vacations. so since i had my other juob hustling and i had my savced from work and from inheritance trust, i figured i would take the summer off and take a trip. then i started looking and since i had like a 8month gap, they all made a big deal off of it and i never got hired. so i kept hustling and stopped looking..then i got arrested twice in 6moths and i went into deep depression. i started doing dope 4x a week instead of 2 and i lost 60pounds and shit just felt like i was in a hole and i didnt know what to do. my mom would bitch about me not having a job but me payin the property taxes for 2 years in a row made her quiet quick.

now flash forward and its been 4 years sincei had a real job with a paycheck..ive worked a little bit during that time durning the summersmostly doin some construction and driveways and brickwork but it was all paid in cash and it wasnt a real full time job beimg tjay they were both my friends family business so they just kinda hooked me up for the summer but then come fall when things statrted to slow down, iwould get let go being that i wasnt on the real payroll and all that..

now, im lving out here in indidana taking care of my great aunt cause her son is in jail(yall already know this story so no need to retell it) but im gettin $500 week to jus live with her..my day goes like this; wake up at 745 and give her a bowl of cereal and cup of tea and newspaper, then i lay back down until 1145 or until she calls me again and then i get up and feed her lunch and then i might stay awake and smoke a blunt and watch some tv, or i might go back and lay in bed, then i go shopping if she needs me to, but thats not every day maybe 3-4xmax a week AND THEN I COME HOME AND RELAX TIL 6 WHEN I MAKE DINNER, and then most of the time she just asks for a tv dinner but i try and only let her eat that once a week othewise she would eat that shit eeryday...then i just have to keep the house in check and cllean but thats real easy since she doesnt really walk and i only use 2 rooms myself, and thats about it really and for doing all that i get $500/week and that was negotiatied bc since he got locked up they didnt know what to do with her,. it just so happend i was stayin out here cause my mom kicked me out cause we where fighting about me not having a job and after 2 weeks of being here, my uncle got locked up and we looked around and saw that a 24hr live in caretaker would cost anywher ebetween 1000-1500/week, and they idnt really want to put her in a home and she didnt want to movce out to coorado where the rest of her ffamily lives. and so i didnt have ajob and said ill do it for 500 and they agreed..so thats what im doing now...shitty part is well a good thing i guess and thats i only get 200-250/week in cash and the rest has to go into the bank. thats fine i guess cause i got my other accounts but still sucks i wish i had all 500 to play with lol been.[/QUOTE]