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nowdubnvr6
02-05-2013, 06:01
Its short lived as fuck man.... There isn't really any kind of rush and its just not that great of a high. Personally, I would still take even oxycodone over fent in terms of enjoyability.

chinky
02-05-2013, 08:35
well alrite, from what you and tommy said i guess its a pass..i was only curious about it cause it was 100mcg for a price cheaper then buying half a gram of raw or half a jab and eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 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nowdubnvr6
02-05-2013, 09:39
solid feeling

chinky
02-05-2013, 10:51
oh yeah

Welderman
02-05-2013, 15:24
Chink ask your raw guy if he would trade a jab for a patch. Or whatever it takes to make it a deal for you of course.

HighonLife
02-05-2013, 16:41
i figure id just ask here instead of gmaking a new thread cause most of you who post in this thread im sure are familer and can just give me my answeer, and more so i just know most of yall and value your opinions...

so any one familer with fent patches...i can get the `100mcg kind for less then half a jab but ive never tried fente before so i dont know what the high is like or if its even worth it for the price

i really dont know what you pay for a G or a jab but one patch for half that price sounds a little pricey, when i was gettin fent patches i got the 50mcg n 75mcg for dirt dirt cheap, like pack of cigs cheap. like the others said i dont really like fent that much n woulda never continued buying it if it wasnt a bargain cuz they high def sucks n is difficult to achieve depending on the type of patch. im pretty sure all the smokable ones are off the market but those you COULD enjoy but i fell out smokin some once so i stopped smokin em, wearin em is a dissapointment, n puttin em in your mouth was too

for me fent just made me tired, no real euphoria to speak of, def no opiate energy. there were times when id put a patch in my mouth n it'd make me tired n i would fall asleep only to wake up feeling like i had way too much in my system. i think in a medical setting a nice shot of a low dose of IV fent would feel good but shooting the gel isnt smart, smokin the gel is like playin with fire n anyother ROA w/ fent just kinda sucks so at 1/2 jab price i think the 1/2jab or 1/2 gram would give you more enjoyment,


but he if u get one that isnt the gel matrix you can cut that shit up n wear it on days you're just tryin to keep the sick off, takes awhile for it to get into your system at peak levels n fent skyrockets tolerance but if u buy one just to have n ever find yourself in a bad situation you can just slap that baby on n know u got 2-3 days to come up with some cash or some dope, i mean its not good for that in the way suboxone is but its better n the way of feelin ok n knowing as soon as u cop u can just do a tiny amount on top n prob get rocked

shimazu
02-05-2013, 21:52
Ever since that hostage disaster at that school in Russia where the Spetsnaz used those Fentanyl grenades to knock people out and it wound up causing a bunch of people to OD I've been kind of turned off to fent. Seems like its more trouble than its worth if youre trying to get a manageable euphoria

HighonLife
02-05-2013, 21:55
^^ i thought they used fent analogues?

shimazu
02-05-2013, 22:00
either way, the stuff makes heroin look like a safer bet so that should say all you need to know IMO.

plus I dont like the nod-heavy opiates. I mean heroin would make me nod, but usually when I was tired as hell anyway.

I've never used fent though so I might love it but its not really on the to do list either

Welderman
02-05-2013, 22:10
The spetznaz roll hard.

XThexXTank
02-05-2013, 22:17
Mati rosiya now kousai gavno

shimazu
02-05-2013, 22:22
gotta give russians props though whoever thought of Krokodil is a mad scientist

nowdubnvr6
02-05-2013, 22:23
either way, the stuff makes heroin look like a safer bet so that should say all you need to know IMO.

plus I dont like the nod-heavy opiates. I mean heroin would make me nod, but usually when I was tired as hell anyway.

I've never used fent though so I might love it but its not really on the to do list either

i've never caught a proper nod on fent... even when combined with oxy or benzos and if you have a good tolerance with H getting the fent extracted to a level where your gonna turn blue is fairly hard. The bioavailability of fent in most forms is fairly low. Of course iv'ed will have you blue.

shimazu
02-05-2013, 22:25
so what does it do well then?

seems like its a pretty high risk / low reward drug

nowdubnvr6
02-05-2013, 22:28
so what does it do well then?

seems like its a pretty high risk / low reward drug

it keeps the sick off when you allready have a habit imo.
I never really found a good use for it tbh yea if i couldnt get anything else i'd buy a patch back in the day and smoke it all in one session but if i had the choice between it and some oxy or H im going with the oxy or H. There is a certain taste it gives when smoked that even now i can't forget. Kind of sweet tasting and i liked that but really only bought em when nothing else was around.

BlueHues
02-05-2013, 22:43
I've had batches of "heroin" that were actually fentanyl, and it's crazy shit! It was usually bone white and turned clear in water with no residue...didn't smell or look like dope at all, seemed fake....but then when you shoot it, it's like getting hit by a train! It makes you cross eyed! It's dangerous shit because it can send you into a death nod! It doesn't last as long either, and if you start doing that shit for a week or so the sickness just sucks, it kicks in a lot sooner and comes on harder than heroin....You just break into horrible cold sweats and feel like the tin-man from the wizard of OZ!

I've had a few times where most of the dope was going around was pretty average but then one person would have "Fent dope", so I'd just do that for awhile becuase I knew it would fuck me up....The high definitely isn't warm and fuzzy like heroin....driving on it is a mistake, because it has you seeing double of everything and almost running off the road!

The patches suck....I've only had those a few times, never the ones with the clear jelly inside though, although I've seen them a few times but they were asking way too much so I didn't bother...

HighonLife
02-05-2013, 23:30
so what does it do well then?



its good for legit pain

cicerogrinds
03-05-2013, 02:27
I've had batches of "heroin" that were actually fentanyl, and it's crazy shit! It was usually bone white and turned clear in water with no residue...didn't smell or look like dope at all, seemed fake....but then when you shoot it, it's like getting hit by a train! It makes you cross eyed! It's dangerous shit because it can send you into a death nod! It doesn't last as long either, and if you start doing that shit for a week or so the sickness just sucks, it kicks in a lot sooner and comes on harder than heroin....You just break into horrible cold sweats and feel like the tin-man from the wizard of OZ!

I've had a few times where most of the dope was going around was pretty average but then one person would have "Fent dope", so I'd just do that for awhile becuase I knew it would fuck me up....The high definitely isn't warm and fuzzy like heroin....driving on it is a mistake, because it has you seeing double of everything and almost running off the road!

The patches suck....I've only had those a few times, never the ones with the clear jelly inside though, although I've seen them a few times but they were asking way too much so I didn't bother...

a bunch a fentanyl dope flooded the streets of chicago back in 06.. lot of people died OR almost died including me... fck that shit man '' It was usually bone white and turned clear in water with no residue...didn't smell or look like dope at all, seemed fake..'' exactly how i recall it being as well. STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THAT FENT SHIT!!!!!

BlueHues
03-05-2013, 03:13
You're the first person on BL that's known what I was talking about when I mentioned the white, come back clear "Fent Dope"....

You usually can't tell how good dope is gonna be by it's color before or after you throw water on it....I've had good mix up really light and bad dope mix up like coca-cola, but this shit just comes back completely clear! I've never had heroin have no color to it when you put water on it! It doesn't have the dope smell either.....everything about it that you would look for as a sign or normal heroin it doesn't have!

You could cut a batch of weak dope with it or cut it with something that makes it come back brown I suppose, so who knows how many times we've all done dope cut with it?

but the shit I'm talking about, I'm pretty sure it has no heroin in it at all! I've come across it a bunch of times over the years....whenever someobdy hands me a bag of dope that's just white as white, that's the first thing that comes to mind....Other strange thing about it....the times I've some across it, it was almost like they were trying to give it away! The bags were huge, the grams were overweight! It must be a hell of a lot cheaper to produce that shit than to smuggle in real heroin!

If you ever get dope that has the warning signs I spoke of, be extra careful with that shit!

Yaj
03-05-2013, 08:21
first post here I've read these threads a long time figured I might as well jump in... I used to get the fent patches with the gel where you could snip the corner off and squeeze out the good stuff, I usually smoked it off foil but stopped after some scary fall outs and hearing of people oding fairly easily. The amount you put on foil to get high and the amount you put down to die are not that differen't. As was said by someone else it is a very short high, like half an hour after I took a hit I would come back around and take another. Also like somebody already said the high is not that euphoric, very sedating and heavy. They don't make the gel ones anymore so far as I know because people kept dying from misusing them...

Tommyboy
03-05-2013, 09:05
^ Welcome aboard!


really..why is that? whats the differenace..not as euphoric or something?"

i just know ow stong it is and how ,many people have died smoking it and i thought it might be alrite to tryweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lol gotta love the nod

Yea just not that euphoric, and as nowdub mentions below it's short lived.


Its short lived as fuck man.... There isn't really any kind of rush and its just not that great of a high. Personally, I would still take even oxycodone over fent in terms of enjoyability.

I used to get the fentanyl lollipops, and I remember them being compared to like 60-80mg of oxycodone, but I never enjoyed it much, and definitely not as much as the oxycodone I was getting hooked on at the time when I was an OC noob and 40-60mg would have me rocked (this was of course after a year + of hydrocodone abuse so I did have a tolerance, but nowhere near where it eventually ended up). I believe it was the 1200mcg dosage I was getting, and it never did it for me in terms of euphoria.


so what does it do well then?

seems like its a pretty high risk / low reward drug

As someone else mentioned, it treats pain. Due to its high potency / high risk, it should be the last drug used by pain patients that have yet to find a drug that adequately treats their pain, and should probably never be used for recreational purposes. I have heard pain patients say that it worked great for their pain, but it jacks up your tolerance a lot so you can't really go back to oxycodone or something to treat your pain without an uncomfortable adjustment period.

Some people get bad skin reactions from the patches or just get sick of using them, but it leaves them in a world of hurt when they try to go back to other pills. I think that Opana [oxymorphone] worked alright for people switching to a prescription pain killer to treat the pain, but the new formulation probably made the transition more difficult.

In terms of euphoria it's definitely a high risk / low reward drug, which is why and thread you see in Other Drugs where a person is inquiring about it is filled with replies telling them not to do it, it's not worth it, etc...


I've had batches of "heroin" that were actually fentanyl, and it's crazy shit! It was usually bone white and turned clear in water with no residue...didn't smell or look like dope at all, seemed fake....but then when you shoot it, it's like getting hit by a train! It makes you cross eyed! It's dangerous shit because it can send you into a death nod! It doesn't last as long either, and if you start doing that shit for a week or so the sickness just sucks, it kicks in a lot sooner and comes on harder than heroin....You just break into horrible cold sweats and feel like the tin-man from the wizard of OZ!

I've had a few times where most of the dope was going around was pretty average but then one person would have "Fent dope", so I'd just do that for awhile becuase I knew it would fuck me up....The high definitely isn't warm and fuzzy like heroin....driving on it is a mistake, because it has you seeing double of everything and almost running off the road!

The patches suck....I've only had those a few times, never the ones with the clear jelly inside though, although I've seen them a few times but they were asking way too much so I didn't bother...

Some people are quick to jump to fentanyl to blame for a strong batch of heroin, but I suppose that a seasoned veteran in the dope game could tell the difference. There was only one batch that I got that I believe to have been cut with fentanyl. I was a sniffer at the time so cannot comment on its color when mixed with water, but I can tell you that it was very potent which was evident by the fatal overdose my friend experienced from the batch. As for me, it had me seeing double / cross eyed after sniffing 1 bag, yet it wore off quick enough for me to sniff the second bag and not really get any higher, just as high as I had been the hour before when I sniffed the first bag.


first post here I've read these threads a long time figured I might as well jump in... I used to get the fent patches with the gel where you could snip the corner off and squeeze out the good stuff, I usually smoked it off foil but stopped after some scary fall outs and hearing of people oding fairly easily. The amount you put on foil to get high and the amount you put down to die are not that differen't. As was said by someone else it is a very short high, like half an hour after I took a hit I would come back around and take another. Also like somebody already said the high is not that euphoric, very sedating and heavy. They don't make the gel ones anymore so far as I know because people kept dying from misusing them...

Considering it is measured in microgram dosages, that just goes to show you how fine the line is between a dose that will get you high and a dose that will make you die.

bagochina
03-05-2013, 10:19
A pet peeve of mine is when people say fent dope is heroin cut with fentanyl, come on now. No dope in that.

BlueHues
03-05-2013, 11:00
^Yeah, I can understand why some people would be skeptilal about dope being cut with fentanyl....but if you're using heroin and you all of the sudden come across this shit, it's a huge difference! I hate to give people "warning signs" based on color or smell or anything like that, but it usually has been pretty much like I described it....

Aside from testing it in a lab, you really have no idea what you're getting, but lab test or not....this shit was a lot different than heroin! Same ballpark, different ballgame!

cicerogrinds
03-05-2013, 15:52
yea thats the main prob. with that fent. shit.. if your gonna serve up that shit just let a mfer know... like in my case i wouldn't of done the mfer after having 10 or 12 drinks

Mr.Scagnattie
03-05-2013, 16:01
What's up people. Seriously considering checking into a detox and then hitting up a rehab.. I'm so over this life but I remember how brutal my last inpatient detox was and it's scaring the shit out of me. I want so bad to just be clean off of everything. No dope, no suboxone, no nothing. But I don't know if I can make it through the weeks of hell, plus leaving my girlfriend, my life, my music, my art.

Any advice?

Binge Artist
03-05-2013, 16:19
1. "I'm so over this life"

2. "I don't know if I can make it through...leaving...my life"

Yep, the ol' Love/Hate relationship with the Junky Life...

XThexXTank
03-05-2013, 19:59
I guess if ya really wanna get clean you'll get clean an find a way to do it. I mean with me even though I dnt wanna depend on the shit everyday I'm still young an kinda don't mind it an tbh don't really wanna get clean or go through all the work to get clean cuz I know ill relapse ina sec.

Tommyboy
04-05-2013, 04:53
What's up people. Seriously considering checking into a detox and then hitting up a rehab.. I'm so over this life but I remember how brutal my last inpatient detox was and it's scaring the shit out of me. I want so bad to just be clean off of everything. No dope, no suboxone, no nothing. But I don't know if I can make it through the weeks of hell, plus leaving my girlfriend, my life, my music, my art.

Any advice?

That's a scary place to be, and I'm pretty close to being their myself. I don't really need to go to a detox (I'll withdraw but can manage just fine with some clonidine and valium) and I'm not a big fan of rehabs, but I need to break the cycle somehow. I wouldn't mind spending a few weeks upstate with a few friends I went to college with, taking care of detoxing and breaking the cycle in the process.

Can you take a break from life and your obligations for a few weeks? How is your habit compared to the last time you went to detox (I know you had a monster habit that time)?

jeebis
04-05-2013, 06:27
Fuck. I almost relapsed tonight. Instead of buying a bundle I called the girlfriend, deposited a third of my check in my account and bought ciggs, paid off my coke dealer (owed him 80 since he gave me money to get him acid and I could only get a 10 strip for myself), and spent the rest of my money on a half o of some chemdawg and .8 of some fish scale.

I can do coke one day and not the next. If I did dope again I'd REALLY do dope.

And reading some of my old posts in the discussion threads I realized I'm actually starting to change...slowly..but progress is still progress, right?

XThexXTank
04-05-2013, 07:28
I'm fucked up

Mr.Scagnattie
04-05-2013, 07:41
That's a scary place to be, and I'm pretty close to being their myself. I don't really need to go to a detox (I'll withdraw but can manage just fine with some clonidine and valium) and I'm not a big fan of rehabs, but I need to break the cycle somehow. I wouldn't mind spending a few weeks upstate with a few friends I went to college with, taking care of detoxing and breaking the cycle in the process.

Can you take a break from life and your obligations for a few weeks? How is your habit compared to the last time you went to detox (I know you had a monster habit that time)?


Thankfully my habit isn't anywhere near as huge as it was last time, which is why I have some hope that it wont be as bad. But, the few times I've been sick and tried to get on suboxone or just couldn't get dope, my withdrawals were still bad enough that there is no way I can kick by myself. I can't even last a full day or two and let my body get back on the bupe because I'm just so sick.

I don't know what else to do. I fucking hate having to use H. I get basically zero enjoyment anymore from it and simply do it just to not be deathly ill.

Effect
04-05-2013, 09:41
^At least your at a point where your ready to be done with it as your no longer getting any enjoyment out of it. At this point your ready to stop for yourself with no outside pressure which I feel is the best position to be in for one to quit. Sucks that your body can't handle the sub induction anymore. Just another reason I want to quit while I'm ahead before my habit and impending withdrawals become worse especially because over the past few months I've noticed symptoms about my withdrawals that I've never had before in addition to familiar ones becoming slightly more intense.

On a different note, has anyone noticed the 'Turn to Help' commercials that RB puts out have changed slightly by taking out some of the words. Most noticible is they cut out the part where the young children's teacher says "heroin". Now they only say "I had to get help for my addiction to opioids; perscription painkillers". It used to say "heroin" after "perscription painkillers". I guess RB feels that people who only take pills (which seems to be the target market for the commercial) will be offended if they're lumped in with us dirty heroin users 8)

Tommyboy
04-05-2013, 09:48
On a different note, has anyone noticed the 'Turn to Help' commercials that RB puts out have changed slightly by taking out some of the words. Most noticible is they cut out the part where the young children's teacher says "heroin". Now they only say "I had to get help for my addiction to opioids; perscription painkillers". It used to say "heroin" after "perscription painkillers". I guess RB feels that people who only take pills (which seems to be the target market for the commercial) will be offended if they're lumped in with us dirty heroin users 8)

I called out that commercial a while ago because I realized it was just a Reckitt Benckiser sponsored commercial for suboxone. I went on the website and all it did was direct me to suboxone doctors, and give some info on suboxone. I guess that since suboxone doesn't have the best of reputations they buried it in a commercial filled with professionals that say that they are on it, without mentioning the drug name itself.

Effect
04-05-2013, 09:55
Yeah man, I knew something was up with that commercial as soon as I heard "including treatment options without the need for daily visits". I assumed right away that RB had to be behind it and visiting the website confirmed my suspisions.

Mr.Scagnattie
04-05-2013, 10:17
Yeah it's bull shit. After years on and off suboxone, having seen many doctors and how they acted, I'm convinced it's just another fucking money making scheme developed to keep addicts "controlled" or "maintained" as they like to say, with the chances of actually weening off and getting off it for good slim to none. They know it's a never ending cycle of maintenance drugs, using, maint drugs, using, and on and on. Meanwhile, they all get rich while we suffer like dogs.

BlueHues
04-05-2013, 21:27
What's up people. Seriously considering checking into a detox and then hitting up a rehab.. I'm so over this life but I remember how brutal my last inpatient detox was and it's scaring the shit out of me. I want so bad to just be clean off of everything. No dope, no suboxone, no nothing. But I don't know if I can make it through the weeks of hell, plus leaving my girlfriend, my life, my music, my art.

Any advice?

I wish I had an answer for you....Your last detox was bad and I understand why you're scared...there's always methadone, which is much easier to get on than suboxone...but that kind of sucks too.....I guess just stick out the WDs and get on bupe, go to detox or get on methadone....Those seem to be your only options!

shimazu
05-05-2013, 17:28
Yeah it's bull shit. After years on and off suboxone, having seen many doctors and how they acted, I'm convinced it's just another fucking money making scheme developed to keep addicts "controlled" or "maintained" as they like to say, with the chances of actually weening off and getting off it for good slim to none. They know it's a never ending cycle of maintenance drugs, using, maint drugs, using, and on and on. Meanwhile, they all get rich while we suffer like dogs.

yeah bro, it's crazy how its all about the money. I mean its not crazy to believe, just crazy how those people can sleep at night.

its part of the reason I never even fucked with suboxone longer than when I had to. People get content on that stuff and don't even realize its not exactly cheap just because youre getting it from a doctor.

BlueHues
05-05-2013, 19:45
^It's tough to get off of, but until 3 months ago I was off all opiates for 14-15 months, and it had been 7 years since I had kicked my opiate habit completely! I detoxed off Suboxone....it sucked but it's definitely do-able...Regardless of what anyone says about PAWS, there's a good chance of feeling pretty much completely normal again after a month off just about anything....Mentally you may be a basket case, and sure some symtoms may recur or stick around for a little while longer, but most people are feeling pretty damn good after 3 weeks to a month!

shimazu
06-05-2013, 00:29
I wanted to do dope pretty bad a couple hours ago. Actually deleted a lot of numbers so I couldnt and was pissed about it earlier but now I'm glad I did.

It's these kind of mood swings that get me dissapointed though and every little thing just nags at me.

mostly Im pissed because I was supposed to get mdma on saturday but it wasn't to be and now I have to wait

RecklessWOT
06-05-2013, 00:52
^It's tough to get off of, but until 3 months ago I was off all opiates for 14-15 months, and it had been 7 years since I had kicked my opiate habit completely! I detoxed off Suboxone....it sucked but it's definitely do-able...Regardless of what anyone says about PAWS, there's a good chance of feeling pretty much completely normal again after a month off just about anything....Mentally you may be a basket case, and sure some symtoms may recur or stick around for a little while longer, but most people are feeling pretty damn good after 3 weeks to a month!

I'm so sick of being an addict myself, but whenever I try to get clean I can only make it 2-3 weeks before the depression gets the best of me. That plus I have absolutely no energy and with the amount of hours I work I can't afford to be all tired edgy all the time. Its gonna be really hard to do without taking some time off/getting away from everything so I can clear my head. I did just buy a motorcycle though so I'm hoping if I spend all my time hammering around on that I will be able to keep my mind off drugs (lol or all over the road but hey at least I'm not using). The thing that worries me about PAWS is that I've heard that shit can last years... if so I may have to quit my job

Swain
06-05-2013, 13:19
I am sick of the game too. I basically live and breath to shoot speedballs. Im either in withdrawals, or getting high. I feel like i have like 1,000,000 little glass vials and ripped dope bags around my place and thats teh fruits of like the past 5 years of my labors lol

hubs3
06-05-2013, 18:17
i saw today that thge FDA isnt gonna allow new generics of the orginal OXY formula, not the OPs...i guess someone was trying to bring back the original formula in generic form and FDA said they arent gonna allow it

I am a multiple pain patient. Of course I started out in this game before I was a pain patient so the thing I really need is also the thing that can hurt me as well now. But I can tell you that 100% of my seeking out product now is to make sure I have adaquate "medication" around for pain. I went to my Doc and he guardedly perscribed 5 Oxy 10s and explained tha in my locale that the patient/Doc/Pham is tracked with all narcotic scripts. i could not even find a pharm to fill the script or would fill the script. Should have had the Doc call it in, as if that may have made a difference? So I simply have taken matters into my own hands and at the risk we all take in this game.

But I am not alone. I have read stories elsewhere of wives driving into some 'hood to cop for their husbands with terminal cancer, and when the docs simply would not write enough as the patient wasn't ready for a morphine drip or some such thing. And the patient wasn't even an substance abuser. I can tell you this type of AMA mania does not exist in other places.

hubs3
06-05-2013, 18:21
The last stamp I got was "home run." It's one of those preprinted bags and has a baseball in the middle and just says home run over and over in small text. The dope was average so more like a line-drive double down the line. I bought it instead of waiting for the good stuff (still got the good stuff but was pissed that I spent the extra money when I could have just waited to spend it on the good raw) so it was a sacrifice fly/high. :|

Speaking of games, has any one been to a drug store recently and looked at the OTC product they are now selling in Brooklyn? I can tell you it is neither a "HomeRun" or baseball game at all. More like the tempo of a game of golf.

hubs3
06-05-2013, 18:34
U.K poster here.

Just wondered what the general consensus is on black tar H?

Not that we have it over here. It's all smoke-able Afghan powder base, aka 'brown'.
But after seeing BTH available in certain places, one can't help but garner interest.

Don't even give it a second thought. I lived for many years not far from you and I had that af. stuff you mention. Like smoking the smothest best tasting cig in the world. Not to mention the effect. In this world many of us (including me) wish for what we can never have. In my experience, I've had what I wished for and in dope or anything else, it wasn't really worth it. xcpt for that af. product which i alsways wondered about. Sometimes there can be exceptions to the rule I stated above in this post. Sometimes. Usually never. In my experience.

shimazu
06-05-2013, 18:49
I know a guy who fucked up his leg playing football back when he was like 16 and it's more or less always gonna be fucked up and he is always copping bags just to help with the pain.

He gets prescription pills too but I think he sells half to get dope so idk how much is addiction and how much is legit pain but honestly in his case it might be both which is really sad.

I can't even talk about getting high around legit pain patients I just feel like a piece of shit

RecklessWOT
06-05-2013, 18:58
I am sick of the game too. I basically live and breath to shoot speedballs. Im either in withdrawals, or getting high. I feel like i have like 1,000,000 little glass vials and ripped dope bags around my place and thats teh fruits of like the past 5 years of my labors lol

Oh shit man, I was just thinking that yesterday. The trash bag in my room only gets changed a few times a year because I never throw food or anything in it so it doesn't smell, and I don't produce a lot of trash in my bedroom anyway, but it's getting pretty full. I looked in it and saw a few envelopes from bills, a couple of empty lighters, and a few thousand dollars worth of empty dope bags. Like for real, this thing is filled mostly with tiny shreds of crumpled up wax paper with little stamps on them. It's fucking ridiculous. Makes me kind of sad to think about it

hubs3
06-05-2013, 19:09
Red leader : I'm in recovery too man. Been off it almost 2 months now. I did buy a g of h and a g of coke last week. What was supposed to be one or two speedballs ended up in a day of speedballs and 2 days of h due to my low tolerance. I had minor WDs after it for 3 or 4 days.

Staying with my folks at the moment and haven't been doing drugs apart from a few doses of gbl. Won't do another speedball for a few weeks at least and ill just keep it to one day at that.

How are you doing physically? Physical work might Be a good idea to take you're mind off things if you feel you're up to it.

Hope I dont offend you but in your posts you don't sound like you are finished with opiates for good?

None of are ever done with it. I've been in and out of this game for more years than I care to admit. I truly thought that I had made a final decision to be thru after all the years on, off, on-off with subs--detoxing with 'done.

BUt in some cases I have no choice as I am a pain patient. But the pain is not consistant. The one thing I hope that will never happen again is full blown addiction. Which is very easy. I only write this post as i saw someone put up some pix of some stuff that looks exactly like what I've been getting. He says he got of well on one bag but said he had a low tolorance. I felt nothing and had been vlean for quite a few months. Tolorance is a highly subjective thing. As is all of this 5/10 or 2/10 or 9/10. One persons 2/10 could kill someone who says they have something that's 7/10. The way we really don't know who all of us are (I guess) and none of us really knows what we buy unless we send it out to a toxologist or such. And who does that?

What we know is what works for us and waht is "good" or "bad" for us and perhaps an inner circle of friends. THe same holds true with any legit pharm product. I remember, years ago, giving a friend a perc., and this freind had 0 tolarance and wanted to know what the fuss was all about. This person felt absolutely nothing. No high, no sickness. Nothing. And later said something to the effect, "what's the big deal with this opiate stuff?" So...

I recently read a stat. that of all those who "kick" dope, the chance for a total reovery (meaning abstence for life) is prox. 1%. A sobering thought.

hubs3
06-05-2013, 19:21
Damn, what an odd combo to OD on intentionally. Not sure why he would do the coke and molly first unless he wanted to feel amazing before the death shot, which seems to be the only explanation since I don't see it contributing to the overdose, and if anything it would make it harder.

And the way this person committed suicide make perfect sense. You want to die for sure its a hot shot. Suicide is a complex subject rife with many theories from many camps fro religion to psycho-analytic thought.

I would hazard a guess that this poor person was thinking but don't want to give anyone any ideas. I can say, in suicide, many people are never quite sure until the final act. And in many cases, the way one conducts ones' life is a long protracted act of suicide.

My sympathies to the original poster who lost a freind.

shimazu
06-05-2013, 19:25
I'd rather have a solid dope connect than a prescription to suboxone.

I think when people tell themselves they won't ever use again it sets them up for failure.

For me at least, I'll admit I'm probably going to get high again I just need to chill out every now and then and take a tolerance break like what I'm doing right now.

Idk I'm kind of a penny pincher so that helps control the urges I guess.

I just don't even feel the need to kid myself anymore, I fucking love opiates even though I hate the baggage. But when you don't have the baggage on you it makes you yearn for the love even more. Once it catches up to you though the love diminishes, so you get clean for a month or so.

Rinse, lather, repeat

that's how I look at opiates. shitty attitude for sure but at least I'm not in pieces when I'm driving down 95 wondering how I wound up relapsing.

hubs3
06-05-2013, 19:37
i really dont know what you pay for a G or a jab but one patch for half that price sounds a little pricey, when i was gettin fent patches i got the 50mcg n 75mcg for dirt dirt cheap, like pack of cigs cheap. like the others said i dont really like fent that much n woulda never continued buying it if it wasnt a bargain cuz they high def sucks n is difficult to achieve depending on the type of patch. im pretty sure all the smokable ones are off the market but those you COULD enjoy but i fell out smokin some once so i stopped smokin em, wearin em is a dissapointment, n puttin em in your mouth was too

for me fent just made me tired, no real euphoria to speak of, def no opiate energy. there were times when id put a patch in my mouth n it'd make me tired n i would fall asleep only to wake up feeling like i had way too much in my system. i think in a medical setting a nice shot of a low dose of IV fent would feel good but shooting the gel isnt smart, smokin the gel is like playin with fire n anyother ROA w/ fent just kinda sucks so at 1/2 jab price i think the 1/2jab or 1/2 gram would give you more enjoyment,


but he if u get one that isnt the gel matrix you can cut that shit up n wear it on days you're just tryin to keep the sick off, takes awhile for it to get into your system at peak levels n fent skyrockets tolerance but if u buy one just to have n ever find yourself in a bad situation you can just slap that baby on n know u got 2-3 days to come up with some cash or some dope, i mean its not good for that in the way suboxone is but its better n the way of feelin ok n knowing as soon as u cop u can just do a tiny amount on top n prob get rocked

Fent. is usually, as most of you know, used in last stage cancer. And lots of ppl drop dead after using dope cut w/ fent. The saddest use of fent are the lollypops laced with fent. that are givien out by oncological nurses to children with some form of cancer--usually some form of brain cancer such as the Blastoma forms.

It's really very sad. Anyone who can cop fent. patches is buying from the lowest scum on the earth. Pll who have connects with hospitals and just outright steal the stuff. And the next day, some poor soul is in excrutiating misery until some new fent. patches can be ordered/delivered. Most of these people who steal this stuff are nurses. Used to be Maintance people but now all hoptials are in such lock-down its impossible to get at the stuff unless you are authorized.

There are some exceptions where paitents themselves sell them as they are given too many and want money.

A pox on those dealers. Of ccourse as a coustomer, sometimes none of us have a choice, due to being in WDs.

Actually dope use is a disease. We all are diseased here. America has done very little to recognize that addicts are sick. I've never, in all of my life, met one doper who was really a well person. Either physically or mentally or both.

You must remeber that Heroin, as distributed By Bayer Pharmacuticles, was used until 1951 and legal for the treatment of depression until it was "discovered" that it was additive.

Ever try getting off an SSRI?


What's up people. Seriously considering checking into a detox and then hitting up a rehab.. I'm so over this life but I remember how brutal my last inpatient detox was and it's scaring the shit out of me. I want so bad to just be clean off of everything. No dope, no suboxone, no nothing. But I don't know if I can make it through the weeks of hell, plus leaving my girlfriend, my life, my music, my art.

Any advice?

Yup, I have some advice as we were once in the same position. I have no advice, thats my advice.

But I do have some thoughts. Your going to lose everything you hold dear and mention in your thread if you don't figure out a way to do something. That's obvious.

Whats not obvious, at least to me, is why you feel you will lose what you mention if you do what you say you eant to do which is clean up. Most ppl lose waht you fear of losing by waht you want to do, not by doing it--meaning cleaning up.

I'll be more specific--you won't lose anything other than the girl if you clean up. And if cleaning up means losing the girl, she's the wrong girl. If you want to keep everything else.

Just some thoughts. Take them as you will.


Yeah it's bull shit. After years on and off suboxone, having seen many doctors and how they acted, I'm convinced it's just another fucking money making scheme developed to keep addicts "controlled" or "maintained" as they like to say, with the chances of actually weening off and getting off it for good slim to none. They know it's a never ending cycle of maintenance drugs, using, maint drugs, using, and on and on. Meanwhile, they all get rich while we suffer like dogs.

Right. I can tell you empirically that subutex was specifically designed as a mind control drug. It is used in Europe as a pain med. at the mcg. level. That's all well and good. But when these docs put you on some rediculous dose like 12-24 mgs for even a 5 bun-like habit, its complete over kill.

I've seen ppl beat subs and 'done.

I'm one of them. Fortunately I was able to tell the Doc exactly the dosage I needed.

Some ppl do what is sometimes reffered to as a reverse-detox. Takes great self-dicisiplin. I don't know how many mgs of sub you're on but it can ussually be cut considerably due to the ceiling effect. Sub really dosen't t really work much above 8mgs, and contrary to what many docs will tell you. And the alternative to the horrors of 'done standing in line nonsence in the States is particulary apealing and why it was designed to be an out-patient drug.

Oh yes, you are an out-patient. Way out.