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aguythatlikessmoke
21-01-2013, 00:18
I am addicted to this Succulent Herb known as Kanna ( Sceletium Tortuosum)
I have a psychological addiction to it, I have been using it for 3 months or so with breaks in between.

I just have to say that its effects are remarkable. I have never found a herb like this, it is subtle yet strong. It is light and gentle yet hard and powerful at the same time..

I have noticed a lot of positive effects with Kanna Sceletium Tortuosum
As follows:
It can decrease your appetite thus if you are prone to overeating or if you have trouble following a proper diet Kanna can help you by reducing cravings to food
and it just causes you to feel less hunger and urges to eat

It can cause you to feel good, it reduces anxiety at an unbelievably good level I consider it a must have substance for any person prone to anxiety and this herb is more-so effective on the anxious individual than on the person who is not anxious.

It causes your mind to feel at ease, little things that bothered you at this instant do not bother you. If your in head a lot and your over thinking crap all of the time this side chatter stops you can feel calm you can just feel the moment.

It reduces tension,stress anxiety a lot. Depression is reduced as well it can stimulate and motivate you as well. It works as an Antidepressant. Makes me wonder if it is good for ADD or ADHD because I noticed that it has a motivating effect.

It has a potentiating and a mixing effect with many substances such as Caffeine, Alcohol,Cannabis, Amphetamine

It can completely cure an Amphetamine crash :D No kidding I put a gram in my mouth and put some gum in my mouth and chew on the gum a lot( 20 minutes) and let the powder get absorbed through my mouth and my Amphetamine crash is numbed down a lot no depression, no anxiety, paranoia all gone

It seems to reduce cravings towards other substances and it has a kick ass combo with Cannabis literally removing all anxiety on Cannabis whilst causing you to get more giggles and more stoned no kidding on this and to enter a positive thought train whilst high:D

It can cause crazy things to happen if you drink whilst your taking Kanna something similiar to taking Benzos or Antidepressants with Booze a similar effect

But most of all if you use it orally or sublingually which to me are the most effective methods of usage you will noticed that you feel more calmed down a hell load wow it is unbelievable relief I can't emphasize this and I can't believe that Kanna doesn't work for people. I am an anxious individual and Kanna worked oh so well for me. It calms, relaxes, decreases tension and stress, increases concentration and focus motivation, Increases sociability, increases sexual drive and can cause you to get horny. Its natures most powerful antidepressant and yea I felt a lot of positive things from this it can turn an anxious individuals life around and yea they have extracts of this I reckon the extracts are more potent than pharmaceutical grade antidepressants.

King-Anubis
21-01-2013, 01:02
Interesting, I have heard of kanna but never knew the effects. From what you said it sounds like it could counteract many of the side effects of antipsychotics. Might try and get hold of some and see if that is the case now. Thanks for the report.

jackie jones
21-01-2013, 05:43
Hmm. I am going to have to try it again. Oral administration, right (I have read of people snorting the stuff, and that is not going to happen)?

Last time I tried it, I mixed it with my yogurt, and not only did it taste like liquid hay, it did not do a damn thing.

aguythatlikessmoke
21-01-2013, 20:45
I consider this Plant somewhat divine. I can completely understand groups such as the Aztecs, Incas( Coca Plant) and such. Certain tribes in Africa have been using Kanna Sceletium Tortuosum for over 1000 years. I am actually experiencing a very nice high on it right now. Think of Coffee now think of Kanna it is like caffeine but antagonist effect with each additional dose your calmer, more relaxed, intense muscle relaxation actually pleasurable I feel knots in my abdomen area and I feel a lot warmer over my whole body and the high builds up I took my dosage at 6.15 this evening now I am feeling very relaxed and I feel a mood lift and as I stated before nothing bothers me all of my tensions, anxieties worries are lifted and I have quite a nice strong body high. It is very sedating though you will still be able to Perform your normal physical activities. It is nootropic and it increases memory and mental perfomance, but it lifts Anxiety so nicely and it feels Euphoric. Can you believe that I chew on Kanna with bubble gum sublingually at regular intervals throughout the day and then at night I take a high oral dosage of 3 grams. The effects keep building up, Calm Sensation, warmth, Euphoric, Sedated but it is not like Opiods different. Its as potent as Xanax if you know how to use it. I am a master of Sceletium Tortuosum Infact I enjoy it more than Xanax, I use to take Benzos a lot but now I dont need benzos with Kanna Around though if you would combine Kanna with Benzos that would be the most intense Antidepressant, Anxiolytic effect.....=D

aguythatlikessmoke
21-01-2013, 20:50
It also increases apprecation of music:), it causes knots to form in my abdomen area with intense muscular relaxation and a complete LOSS OF APPETITE Excellent for weight loss , What I most love is the head high just very calm though your not losing your mind or anything People cant even tell you took something.

KANNA seems to have MIXED properties Sometimes it stimulates other times it sedates. Its Sedative effects are strong, It can even decrease Pain and Induce Sleep. Its Stimulative effect is like Caffeine .

KAnna is addictive to me though cause its really good the positive effects fuck a life without anxiety and depression and worries is awesome even if it is for a few hours. It has a withdrawal somewhat similiar to Amphetamines but a lot lighter.

aguythatlikessmoke
21-01-2013, 20:58
It Completely lifts all feelings of a Dark Cold grey world.

aguythatlikessmoke
21-01-2013, 23:42
Hmm. I am going to have to try it again. Oral administration, right (I have read of people snorting the stuff, and that is not going to happen)?

Last time I tried it, I mixed it with my yogurt, and not only did it taste like liquid hay, it did not do a damn thing.

First of try and buy from a proper vendor your Kanna second off use gum and put some in your mouth and chew them gum let it dissolve sublingually and do this for about 20 minutes if the saliva builds up in your mouth do not swallow it let it saturate your mouth after 15 minutes you can swallow it. Second you can try 1 large or two small tablespoons orally and swallow it with water.

aguythatlikessmoke
21-01-2013, 23:44
It feels pleasurable too and Euphoric good. Hard to perfectly describe but as above it is the best of my description. Perhaps I do have a sensitivity to it or I react to it differently. Nonetheless though what the internet states about Kanna is completely true it has marked anxiolytic activity. And I have used it in combination with Cannabis to reduce Marijuana's anxiety and paranoia inducing effects and I have used it with Amphetamine to weaken the anxiogenic effects and to ease the crashes.

It has mixed effects though like stimulative and Sedative and you never know how it will react with you usually it starts of as mild to moderate stimulation that ends in Moderate to heavy sedation. The stimulative effects are mild and they are not as harsh on you as Caffeine per say and not as anxiogenic as Amphetamine but pleasant nonetheless I would compare its stimulative effect somewhat to Cocaine. I will post below as to why;

One Day I bought a 1 gram 15 times strength extract of Kanna Sceletium Tortuosum and I opted to take half a gram or .25 gram of it. I decided to go to the library and study there, Now what I love the most about this extract was that it was strong it stimulated me exceptionally and I felt very social, I would talk to everybody, I felt a complete loss of social anxiety, I would laugh smile giggle a lot. I felt happy. I could not feel a single negative thought a single negative emotion or any tension what so ever. It was a nice stimulation, I felt energized, happy, Outgoing and in plain all Good. This was an extract of course and I took a high dosage By the way though I felt similar effects with Regular Kanna especially initially when I started to use it, Now I still feel good and a loss of Anxiety on Regular Kanna and Euphoric on Regular Kanna though I feel more sedated and less stimulated on Regular Kanna. I think its because I have been using Regular Kanna for a while and I built up somewhat of a tolerance to some of its effects.

One more note its Mood boosting effects are not just present in one day but sometimes an afterglow can result too. Which means I would wake up the next day feeling happier more relaxed and more content and more energized to start the day, Somewhat similar to a mushroom afterglow no lie no lie. It has Antidepressant effects and it can also make lights and trees and nature appear brighter and you can feel a connection to nature, Empathy can also be noted, Interpersonal ease, Personal insight to life issues , Meditative state.:)

I also noticed that Exercise can boost the Antidepressant effects of Kanna,Sceletium Tortuosum. I also noticed that you can use this herb for meditation, body relaxation techniques it allows you to feel a better connection to your soul, to your body to your emotions and enables you to control tension better.


Now I know I wrote a lot but damn I have been experimenting and using this herb at times daily for a full month and it has effects obviously its not gonna get you high like Meth or make you feel like you took Heroine and stuff. The effects Of Kanna intensity-wise is more Comparable to Kratom and Cannabis maybe its a little bit lighter than those two but deff more intense than caffeine and its better than some Pharmaceutical Antidepressant out there and its better for calming you down that Valeriana, Skullcaps and its a heck load of better than that St.Johns wort.


:D Please if anybody can Input and would like to exchange ideas it would be nice.

Oh yea I prefer the Kanna Sceletium Tortuosum high a lot more than Kratom and yea I have seen People get addicted to Kratom funny thing is I have somewhat of an addiction to Kanna as stated I have gonna through 2 months of daily usage. But I have never felt such addictive tendencies to Kratom funny how we react to things??? You know I have been researching psychoactive plants& Alkaloids turns out Humans consume Psychoactive plants that tend to balance their own issues or Neurochemical imbalances or that tend to give humans the vitamins, amino acids or other agents that are missing from the Body. Actually A pharmacologist has stated that getting high or altering mental state is the 4,5th drive in Humans as essential as sex, food, water, sleep. I completely agree.

aguythatlikessmoke
22-01-2013, 00:08
Let me rephrase sometimes the stimulative effects on Kanna sceletium Tortuosum are more pleasant than that noted on Caffeine and it seems to touch the Dopamine receptors because when you feel stimulated on it. It is comparable to very weak dosages of Cocaine and Amphetamines. Heck if you get good Extract I sometimes would think it would make you feel social, Good Euphoric like you had a line of Coke or something though not as intense physically for your body , ( Kanna extracts they are awesome its like all of the effects with regular Kanna times five a lot of smiling, feeling good no anxiety, being happy and Euphoria) . Its good all I can say better than Kratom. Cause I build a fast tolerance to Kratom and Kratom I enjoyed the effects( but the nausea and the fact that the Euphoria left me fast with Kratom too) somehow I like Kanna more I find I feel better on Sceletium Tortuosum than when I take Kratom. And Kanna it is very Euphoric wow Especially if mixed with Marijuana it has a strong synergist effect and a strong synergist effect with Alcohol makes you feel like you drank and you took Antidepressants or benzos.

aguythatlikessmoke
22-01-2013, 00:20
Yes and it makes the sensual or the touching experience better too, I had sex on it too it felt damn good I lasted longer and I performed better and I enjoyed it more and I enjoy masturbating on it as well:D It is known to increase Libido . I guess you could call Kanna, Sceletium Tortuosum Natures MDMA.

It is proven to release Serotonin in your brain and to effect Dopamine receptors.

To me Kanna is Pleasurable. I am so happy that I Found out about this herb and Honestly its very safe and I think I will continue to use this for quite sometime and even if I quit using it I will not forget about it.
Psychiatrists seem to dispense it in Rehab centers , Perhaps it even has anti addictive Effects it seems effective for Alcohol withdrawal In South Africa a tea is made out of Kanna to ween Alcoholics off Alcohol.
That is right Folks Anti Addictive effects to other substances It could reduce Cravings especially to Cocaine, Amphetamine, Nicotine and Alcohol.

It itself is Addictive the Kanna but not Physically more so Emotionally and Psychologically. It is Excellent for Some mild Amphetamine withdrawal.:D

I really hope that this Herb stays legal Along with Kratom. I really hope that Big Pharma or that the Medical people do more research into Kanna and that it is sold as a replacement to St.Johns wort and that more People are able to get their hands on Proper Extracts and Proper Kanna Powder The extracts are especially good and potent.
It has medicinal values. By far if you suffer from Anxiety,tension,stress,Depression,Mood swings, Dark Grey Cold feelings find a way to get your hand on Some Kanna.
If your suffering from Cocaine, Meth, Amphetamine withdrawal or Craving again find some Kanna it could alleviate your suffering.

I hope more research is done into medical plants and medical alkaloids and psychoactive plants especially these ones that could benefit Humanity significantly.

jackie jones
22-01-2013, 00:22
Cheers for the information. Try to use the edit button in the future. It makes the the thread less cluttered.

Sublingual though? I do not know if I could stomach it. If it tastes anything like Kratom (it has been some time, I do not remember how strong the taste was), I could not.

aguythatlikessmoke
22-01-2013, 00:25
Cheers for the information. Try to use the edit button in the future. It makes the the thread less cluttered.

Sublingual though? I do not know if I could stomach it. If it tastes anything like Kratom (it has been some time, I do not remember how strong the taste was), I could not.

Its taste is Neutral, it does not have a bitter strong taste like Kratom. The Bubble gum and chewing gum will block out its taste. You could also take a tablespoon or two and swallow it and follow that with water. Yes I will try my best with the Edit but I suck:D

aguythatlikessmoke
22-01-2013, 00:33
[quote] Sceletium tortuosum grows in the Cape Provinces of South Africa. The San tribes have used it as an intoxicant for thousands of years. Dutch traders began purchasing it from the Hottentots somewhere in the mid-1600's.
The native people's called it kanna, or channa, and the Dutch named it kaugoed, which translates roughly as "good to chew on."
The plant is a creeping succulent, with yellow flowers. Traditionally the entire plant is allowed to ferment. The fermentation process involves crushing the plant up, then sealing it in an airtight space. Apparently, this process increases the concentration of active alkaloids while decreasing oxalate levels. The end result is a powder that can be used as a snuff, chewed, smoked or made into a tea.
Many report the high to be much like marijuana. Others report an empathogenic effect, closer to ecstasy. In lower doses it has a sedative action, while in larger doses it begins with an initial stimulant effect, followed by sedation. The intoxication is less physical, and more mental than marijuana, with euphoria being the most commonly reported effect. Daily low doses have been used effectively to treat anxiety, mild depression, and addiction (especially alcohol). Using it in combination with cannabis appears to cause a synergiy that potentiates both plants.
The main active chemical in sceletium is mesembrine, though it contains several others. It also contains large quantities of tryptophan, the precursor to serotonin. In studies sponsored by NIMH, mesembrine has been demonstrated to act on the serotonin, dopamine, and adrenalin receptors. It is believed that it may act as an SSRI like Prozac.
I may have an article on this showing up in Heads magazine soon, so watch for that.
I really, really like kanna and wish there was more info out there about it. The effects, in my opinion, are like a euphoric marijuana high, with a benzo body buzz instead of a pot body buzz

another user about his experience.

there is a lot about Kanna on erowid.

Of 'kougoed', some felt that there was a synergistic effect with alcohol, and with smoked 'dagga' (Cannabis sativa). One experimenter, a poly-substance abuser, used 'kougoed' in addition to alcohol (whisky) and smoked 'dagga'. He experienced a traumatic flashback to a violent event he had participated in during a regional armed conflict. Another experimenter, who on two separate occasions smoked 'dagga' after chewing 'kougoed', reported seeing distinct visions of the Sceletium flower and was able to accurately describe its form and colour, without ever having seen a specimen of it. The chewing of 'kougoed' was reported to greatly enhance the psychoactivity of an inferior grade of Cannabis smoked shortly thereafter (see also 4, above, Paterson's commentary on synergism).

aguythatlikessmoke
22-01-2013, 17:33
Kanna displays reverse tolerance, priming is essential Sometimes you need to use it for a few days in a row as the psychoactive effects compound as I would like to call it. This week I have been eating and swallowing Kanna taking it subingually and today I proceeded to Snort Kanna two small lines. Effects amplify after daily usage, snorting it is highly potent little powder is required for very strong effects. It is Narcotic, Anxiolytic in Nature very calming The high is a lot better than Kratom.:D Appreciation of Music is increased, Intense Muscular relaxation happens I feel powerful knots in my stomach and intense muscular relaxation across my whole back , Increased relaxation, Euphoria , a good relaxed feeling. The Muscular relaxation is very intense as well, I feel knots in my stomach , knots in my stomach and my whole body has a very strong body high similiar to Marijuana and more intense than Kratom. Dont throw away your Kanna buy it from a good vendor and give it a shot and remember for most potent effects Priming is essential. This week all methods of consumption worked for me but I felt very strong effects from Snorting and swallowing the powder. A narcotic effect. It is like an antidepressant but a lot better. It is like MDMA or MDA or methylone but opposite a lot more mellow, sedating instead of stimulating.It has synergistic effects with Coffee as well.
I think Kanna is one of the mellow things out there most certainly a powerful Herbal Antidepressant. You have no idea how good of a high I got today on Kanna. The kanna high is 10 times better than the Kratom high.=D

But yea on kanna Priming is no doubt evident cause I had a 4 day break of usage then when I started to use Kanna, Sceletium Tortuosum. The high on my first day was weaker but now I am using it for the 2nd or 3rd day in a row and it is a heck load more intense Sometimes you need to do priming within the same day and redose a few times before it hits you or at least use it daily , you will rep the benefits of Sceletium Tortuosum. Priming did its trick.

Remember that with Kanna the first 1-3 hour are pure pleasure to me the Euphoria on Kanna exceeds that of the kratom , slight stimulation, intense sedation possibly as well moderate sedation. The narcotic effects are strong I feel muscle relaxation like no other and I feel strong knots in my stomach forming from the muscle relaxation. I feel relaxed and nothing bothers me, nothing bothers me All anxiety and worries about the future lifted. So basically the first hour to the 3rd hour it is Euphoric , Anxiolytic effects continue throughout the day at least form 5-8 hours.

The muscle relaxation is insane though I have knots in my stomach and I am feeling a complete Body high from back to front and the knots in my stomach make me feel like I need to eat yet my whole appetite is eliminated. Yea no doubt Kanna reduces Hunger.

I have a strange tendency to redose throughout the day, It also kills my cravings to all other substances. It has anti addictive effects.
Excellent for Stimulant addiction as I stated before.
You gotta know how to use this Herb Properly it is amazing.

The main thing about Kanna is that its mellow it combines good with Weed makes your Pot highs even more narcotic and mellow and that kanna by itself is relaxing, sedating , narcotic mellow.
Sometimes Euphoric othertimes not as much.
But it has got to be the best Herbal Anxiolytic I have ever tried it is better than Kratom and Kava to me at least.
I need to get a good vendor for Kava Kava or some good paste I want to give that a go in the coming weeks its a benzo agonist so it could be Euphoric or pleasurable too.

YaniCZka
27-01-2013, 23:44
do you feel any negative side effects? how hard is it on livers and kidneys and other organs? cheers.

marmalad
11-11-2014, 01:18
The only negative side effects from this stuff is that I don't give a shit for anything! literally...i just laugh at it all...

Xorkoth
11-11-2014, 04:10
Man, I have tried kanna a few times from a sample I got, not for quite a while though. I had read that the proper way to use it is to snort it, a small amount, so that's what I did. Every time it very quickly produced an intense, anxious, depressed state for an hour or so, very unpleasant, with a racing heart and a lot of nervousness. I hated it, it was basically the exact opposite of what is described here. And it was VERY potent, I didn't want to snort much plant matter so I really did a very small amount each time. I've never tried it orally or sublingually though. This does pique my curiosity.

RDP89
14-11-2014, 10:29
Kanna does not agree with me. Makes me edgy, anxious and irritable.

Lady Codone
24-11-2014, 09:54
The few times I tried it (orally) were pretty dysphoric and miserable. Nothing overpowering but I would not try it again. It's like an anti-antidepressant.

5HToInfinity
02-12-2014, 03:33
How on earth could we explain users experiencing both euphoria and dysphoria from this herb?

p-helix
02-12-2014, 05:08
How on earth could we explain users experiencing both euphoria and dysphoria from this herb?

Psychoactive herbs produce a range of euphoric and dysphoric states in individuals as much as psychoactive drugs.

Psychoactive drugs produce dysphoric as well as euphoric states on occasion and with some people certain drugs react badly.

The people experiencing the psychoactive effects are the individual users.

5HToInfinity
02-12-2014, 07:27
Psychoactive herbs produce a range of euphoric and dysphoric states in individuals as much as psychoactive drugs.

Psychoactive drugs produce dysphoric as well as euphoric states on occasion and with some people certain drugs react badly.

The people experiencing the psychoactive effects are the individual users.

This is very true for psychedelics especially, but not so much for other substances. All I'm saying is there must be some sort of neuropharmacological reason for this herb to have particularly variable effects. It's not like fluoxetine causes dysphoria in half its users.

Xorkoth
02-12-2014, 17:57
Actually SSRIs have a huge variance in effects, some people find them very helpful and good while many others find them to be terrible, unpleasant drugs. In some they cause suicidal or homocidal ideation. Since I understand kanna acts as an SSRI, the neuropharmacological reason may be the same or similar.

crOOk
02-12-2014, 19:32
I had to chuckle at the amphetamine crash you mentioned. Never had one of those. Regular amphetamine gets me tweaked for days, sleep is usually possible 30h after the last dose, but a week of stimulation and massively increased mood follows.

Thanks for the report though, unfortunately I have been nothing but disappointed with Kanna, have never felt anything from it.


In some they cause suicidal or homocidal ideation.As in urges to kill homosexuals?! Got that's awful, all they do to me is completely inhibit my ability to have an orgasm. ;) I'm so glad to be done with that stuff, lamotrigine and bupropion work a thousand times better than SSRI's and Lithium for me. But everybody is different indeed and SSRI's have saved countless lives. I hate hearing people talk shit about psychopharmaceuticals. Btw SSRI's make me instantly manic unless I am in the deepest of depressive episodes. It did cause suicidal ideation a couple of times, but only with citalopram and I am very prone to those anyway, have been since the tender age of 10.

5HToInfinity
02-12-2014, 20:02
I guess I must take a further step back to notice that substances acting on the serotonergic system seem to display higher variability in effects than substances acting on say, the dopaminergic, glutamatergic or opioid systems.

plateau_connector
04-12-2014, 07:15
This is the first time I've heard of this plant. Two questions; any potential of addiction? Someone mentioned anti-addiction qualities, id like to know if anyone has had the opposite experience? Also has anyone tried to grow it, are cutting or seeds attainable in the US. (Not requesting specific sources)

Disregard the cutting/seed question, I found what I needed. Anyone ever lay dmt on on these leaves?

Xorkoth
04-12-2014, 17:23
I doubt it would be a good idea to put DMT into them, as kanna acts as an SSRI, and those tend to reduce or block the effects of serotonergic psychedelics. A lot of people (myself included) report disliking kanna very much, so I'd give it a try from a vendor before you bother to try to grow it. Also, kanna is a succulent, it doesn't really have leaves, it's more like cactus flesh. Also, it's typically powdered and fermented to concentrate the alkaloids, which is how you'll get it if you order it from a vendor.

plateau_connector
05-12-2014, 05:09
Thanks for the info Xorkoth. SSRI's are no good for me. Glad I picked up on that before I ordered.

~QuirKyNai~
09-01-2015, 03:00
Im not totallyconvinved kanna is an SSRI...i say that because i received a 5x extract..and im currently on some rn..amd there is no pupil.dilation,which.i always get on an.ssri...having said that itsnot bad...and.u only needa tiny amount for effects.

motiv311
12-10-2015, 03:19
it has partial SSRI type effects... just like some drugs act a little bit like MAOIs.....

Kanna actually is one of those really awesome little secrets out there.... its kind of blows me away sometimes, like the euphoria can just creep up on you, , before you know it you're in a social setting and feeling NIIIICE....

mixes great with kratom, kava kava, and marijuana.....

makes adderall like twice as strong if administered at the same time, but can make you a little nauseaous if you're not careful .... .this shit it no joke.... don't fucking try to snort it (bad idea) and don't smoke it.... just swallow or chew it... and get the regular fermented leaf from a good source.

aguythatlikessmoke
12-10-2015, 12:48
I doubt it would be a good idea to put DMT into them, as kanna acts as an SSRI, and those tend to reduce or block the effects of serotonergic psychedelics. A lot of people (myself included) report disliking kanna very much, so I'd give it a try from a vendor before you bother to try to grow it. Also, kanna is a succulent, it doesn't really have leaves, it's more like cactus flesh. Also, it's typically powdered and fermented to concentrate the alkaloids, which is how you'll get it if you order it from a vendor.

I currently have very good Kanna, Sceletium Tortuosum. I order mine from South Africa , it has a very high alkaloidal content of Mesembrine and Tortuosamine. Kanna is a SRI, Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor, and it also acts as Phosphodiestarase 4 Inhibitor this can contribute to a very rapid Antidepressant effect and A rapid anxiolytic effect. It can also act on Dopamine receptors and Nicotinic receptors possibly as a partial agonist or as a releasing agent.
Effects after intake can include slight feelings of nausea, Stimulation, Transient increase of anxiety that subsides within an hour after intake. These are typically come up effects. It is very reminescent of MDMA, its like a mini natural XTC. These effects give way to a feeling of a calm stimulative nature and Euphoria.
Recently I got very good Kanna from South Africa. It was capsulated I took 4 capsules a day, that is 400mg. Everytime I after i took it i had a one hour come up with a rushy feeling, Euphoria, Stimulation and slight nausea This gives way to a mood Boost. The mood boost on kanna is very very strong, you feel good the whole day, it also boost energy levels, specifically mental energy and decreases appetite.

aguythatlikessmoke
12-10-2015, 12:56
it has partial SSRI type effects... just like some drugs act a little bit like MAOIs.....

Kanna actually is one of those really awesome little secrets out there.... its kind of blows me away sometimes, like the euphoria can just creep up on you, , before you know it you're in a social setting and feeling NIIIICE....

mixes great with kratom, kava kava, and marijuana.....

makes adderall like twice as strong if administered at the same time, but can make you a little nauseaous if you're not careful .... .this shit it no joke.... don't fucking try to snort it (bad idea) and don't smoke it.... just swallow or chew it... and get the regular fermented leaf from a good source.

I am a Kanna maniac and I am the one who started all these threads about Kanna ages ago, ahahahaha I came back on here today and people are still commenting. I am so happy about that and that kanna attracts curiosity. Kanna is one of those lesser known herbal Psychoactives, Actually I was introduced to Kanna by a local headshop several years ago where I bought powdered kanna, I have never known about it earlier either. I used it for Depression and Anxiety which I suffer from occasionally but I also like to take Kanna for its general feel good effects and its mood boosting effects which can be very strong. Now I order my Kanna capsulated from South Africa and I also still have powdered kanna laying around for occasional usage, lately im not using Kanna cause im taking Afobazole its a Russian pharmaceutical Anxiolytic. But coming back to Kanna the Kanna i got now its straight from south africa< its capsulated but sometimes i open the capsules and use it sublingually>. The colour of Kanna should be from mid brown to mildly yellow and it should have a bitter taste, this indicates good alkaloidal content. This Kanna is amazing that im currently using, It gives me a one hour rushy, feeling, with transient increase in nausea and anxiety, and some bowel movements too, This all indicates its very serotonergic after this at the 30/45 minute mark after taking it a Euphoria over comes me and one day I felt such a strong Euphoria with Kanna and a very content feeling of being Alive like all negative emotions and depressive feelings very lifted and I felt a strong Euphoria for 15 minutes this was comparable to MDMA I would even say it was better but shorter lasting and it was with a strong content feeling. The rest of the day I felt very good and in a good mood, I felt stimulated and energized the whole day but at night time I had some insomnia. Cause i took 4 capsules that day and the prescribers information with the Sceletium recommended only 1 capsule cause its very strong. One more note this thing happened after I used kanna for 1 day this was on the second day and Kanna kind of acts like SSRI but its better and it has a recreational value and euphoric effects, and it makes you better at sex it is an aphrodisiac. It increases tactile sensations. I mean Kanna is one of those life changing things to me. I Will say one thing out of all the herbals I like KANNA the most , the most hands down it beats Kratom any day for me. YOu have to get good kanna, its stimulative, euphoric, energizing, Mood boosting, aphrodisiac, its like Super St.JOHNS wwort.

aguythatlikessmoke
12-10-2015, 13:05
When I indicated Kanna acts like an SSRI , this is cause just like them Kanna has to be taken maybe for a couple of days to feel full effects usually after 2 to 3 days. It has reverse tolerance however. Kanna is Euphoric as compared to the Conventional pharmaceutical antidepressants, and it makes you feel alive it doesnt numb your emotions, it opens you up makes you feel good and it doesnt impair sexual function rather boosting it. These differences in effects indicates that Kanna doesnt act exactly like SSRI there is no comedown with Kanna and no withdrawal syndrome , I will say there is maybe some slight Psychological dependency but after using Kanna for 2 months its effects decrease and you need to take a 1 month break for tolerance to decrease again, so initially Kanna has reverse tolerance and then after 2 months it gains tolerance and no matter how much you dose the euphoric and mood boosting effects disappear this was the case with me and after taking a break for a month or two the effects reappeared . Kanna seems to act as a nonselective Serotonin reuptake inhibitor, It also acts as Phosphodiesterase 4 Inhibitor , a synthetic phosphodiesterase 4 inhibitor is Rolipram and its used for CNS disorders and inflammation and Neurological diseases . Because of this dual action Kanna has very rapid effects, also Kanna acts on Dopamine, Nicotine receptors and it seems to balance ones Neurotransmitter levels. Its awesome, but a lot of bs is sold out there, if you need a good brand of kanna or some advice ask me.

aguythatlikessmoke
12-10-2015, 13:07
Im not totallyconvinved kanna is an SSRI...i say that because i received a 5x extract..and im currently on some rn..amd there is no pupil.dilation,which.i always get on an.ssri...having said that itsnot bad...and.u only needa tiny amount for effects.

agreed and KANNA is not a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor but rather its a nonselective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, a phosphodiesterase 4 inhibitor and there are scientific articles supporting this proposed mechanism of action. It also acts on Nicotinic and Dopamine receptors. I know everything about Kanna I have used it on and off for the past 3 years.I have also read articles that people wrote who visited south africa and that tells about all the different uses kanna was used for, Kanna also has Analgesic effects. It was used by the native people during tooth extractions.
Kanna can also act as a sedative as a stimulant, The Kanna I currently have is very stimulating. The effects of kanna aka sceletium Tortuosum seem to depend on the concentration of the different alkaloids it contains and there ratios because different concentrations and ratios exert different effects. The main alkaloids are mesembrine, Mesembrenone, and Tortuosamine.Mesembrine is the SRI and PDE4 inhibitor and it is the compound responsible for Euphoric and stimulative effects. Mesembrenone is a very strong analgesic and sedative and the psychoactive effects of Tortuosamine are unknown possibly involved in the mood boost as well. There are other unknown alkaloids too, Mesembrine is very active in the mg range. Like 1 mg to 5mg will give you effects.
Kanna also has anti addictive effects and appetite suppressive effects.

Xorkoth
12-10-2015, 19:54
I just ordered some South African kanna to revisit this. I have only ever tried snorting small bits before, which I strongly disliked. I am going to try this orally when it arrives. Sounds like a nice day booster, if it works like it does for you guys.

Xorkoth
16-10-2015, 20:51
I got some of this, from south africa from a trusted vendor. Yesterday I gave it a shot... I tried 400mg sublingual first, chewed on it for a while and swallowed. I started feeling a warm glow at first, but it didn't progress much after an hour and a half. In truth it wasn't entirely comfortable. No euphoria and a sort of weird hazy feeling. I added 400mg orally, and an hour after that it got stronger. But I didn't really like it. There was no euphoria at any point. No stimulation or sedation either. It just made me feel kind of slow in the head with a somewhat anti-social element to it. I went to hang out and play music with my friend, and we had a really good jam actually, quite innovative, but I was feeling a little clumsy in my fingers. I drank some beer and it improved my situation but it also felt less good than usual and I had much more of a hangover this morning (I usually don't get hangovers at all but this morning I was sore and had a little headache). My girl came over at night and was upset about some stuff (not at me, but just about her life) and I felt like I couldn't adequately be there for her because I felt kind of out of sorts, which was a bummer. Then I had a really unsettling dream that left me shaken upon waking up, and I overslept. I feel a little low today which is very unusual for me, but it could because of a few reasons or a combination of reasons.

This experience was certainly more benign feeling than when I snorted it, but I don't think kanna is for me. I was considering trying it again today to see if the reports of better effects on subsequent days are true, but I would prefer not to feel that way today, or really, ever.

aguythatlikessmoke
18-10-2015, 19:45
I got some of this, from south africa from a trusted vendor. Yesterday I gave it a shot... I tried 400mg sublingual first, chewed on it for a while and swallowed. I started feeling a warm glow at first, but it didn't progress much after an hour and a half. In truth it wasn't entirely comfortable. No euphoria and a sort of weird hazy feeling. I added 400mg orally, and an hour after that it got stronger. But I didn't really like it. There was no euphoria at any point. No stimulation or sedation either. It just made me feel kind of slow in the head with a somewhat anti-social element to it. I went to hang out and play music with my friend, and we had a really good jam actually, quite innovative, but I was feeling a little clumsy in my fingers. I drank some beer and it improved my situation but it also felt less good than usual and I had much more of a hangover this morning (I usually don't get hangovers at all but this morning I was sore and had a little headache). My girl came over at night and was upset about some stuff (not at me, but just about her life) and I felt like I couldn't adequately be there for her because I felt kind of out of sorts, which was a bummer. Then I had a really unsettling dream that left me shaken upon waking up, and I overslept. I feel a little low today which is very unusual for me, but it could because of a few reasons or a combination of reasons.

This experience was certainly more benign feeling than when I snorted it, but I don't think kanna is for me. I was considering trying it again today to see if the reports of better effects on subsequent days are true, but I would prefer not to feel that way today, or really, ever.

Bro your kanna might not be of good quality but you got it from a trusted vendor so i think its straight but i think you have an increased sensitivity to kanna so you should try lower dosages . So let me give you some advice, I know what im telling you, Take about 50 to 100 mg of kanna orally everyday. But a maximum of 100 mg per day , try 50 mg of oral kanna per day and do this for 2-3 days in a row and then tell me how you feel. The effects will build up and after 3 days you will feel it again. Dont give up on it so easily. So take 50 mg of kanna orally for 3 days and see how it effects you, it has reverse tolerance so effects get stronger each day, you might have a sensitivity and you might haveoverdoses a little.

Ena
04-02-2016, 18:14
Bro your kanna might not be of good quality but you got it from a trusted vendor so i think its straight but i think you have an increased sensitivity to kanna so you should try lower dosages . So let me give you some advice, I know what im telling you, Take about 50 to 100 mg of kanna orally everyday. But a maximum of 100 mg per day , try 50 mg of oral kanna per day and do this for 2-3 days in a row and then tell me how you feel. The effects will build up and after 3 days you will feel it again. Dont give up on it so easily. So take 50 mg of kanna orally for 3 days and see how it effects you, it has reverse tolerance so effects get stronger each day, you might have a sensitivity and you might haveoverdoses a little.

@ aguythatlikessmoke: if you are still around, I would like to know what you think of this: I need to try kanna for anxiety. Social anxiety, yes, but I am also a fearful flyer. Now: Even if I am lucky enough to be one of the people that kanna works for, there is this issue for me to take into consideration: the tendency to cause bowel movements. Since an airplane is not the best place to have bowel movements, how early would you suggest that I take my kanna before a flight, in order to maximize my chances of feeling good and zen the whole day (which would pretty much mean throughout the flight)?

I know, I know: I need to experiment for myself, long before any planned flight, start with small amounts of kanna, and increase progressively until I find my limits in the privacy of my home.

I guess I just need to know what your take would be on that issue, since you appear to be an expert on that subject. Of course, I'd be happy to get everybody else's expert advice on that touchy issue. Any help I can get would greatly facilitate my kanna journey, so thanks for your help, you all.

HeadHigh
04-02-2016, 21:56
Ena, Ive been using kanna for depression for the past month, and i have never had an issue with bowel movements. Taking kanna never made me have to use the bathroom anymore than i usually would, but it does help with most anxiety. I would advise (just like the rest of the people on this thread) to take it for at least two days at a dosage around 250mg before you plan on flying, and the same for the day you fly.

Ena
05-02-2016, 10:57
Thanks, HeadHigh. This is reassuring. I am going to try that prior to flying, of course, but it really helps to know that kanna is not necessarily going to cause a a bowel movement (I was a little concerned about that because aguythatlikessmoke and someone else seem to have run into that problem. But perhaps they used more of it than I am planning to ever use.....;)

Altamisal
12-02-2016, 00:59
I am waiting on my order of Sceletium Tortuosum (capsules, 100 mg.) after reading what Medicine Hunter Chris Kilham says about it: "If coffee is a pick-me-up, sceletium is a jet ride to mental brilliance. The staggering effects of sceletium seem primarily due to a group of alkaloids, notably mesembrine, mesembrenol and tortuosamine. These compounds interact with receptors in the brain, enhancing the production of dopamine, which is our primary inner pleasure chemical, and prolonging the activity of serotonin, a critically important mood compound. The net effect of sceletium ingestion is a feeling of tremendous well being, heightened awareness, mental alertness and a keen-mindedness that is quite pronounced."

I was looking for info on whether it could also help ADHD and happened on this thread.
My son is on an ADHD med (Vyvanse). I was wondering if this could help him. Maybe sceletium would not replace it, but help him mellow out some? I've been noticing a lot more irritability in him of late.

I also got interested in sceletium after reading this testimonial:
http://www.sceletium-tortuosum.com/sceletium-tortuosum-natural-anti-depressant-story.htm

Ena
14-02-2016, 15:49
I am waiting on my order of Sceletium Tortuosum (capsules, 100 mg.) after reading what Medicine Hunter Chris Kilham says about it: "If coffee is a pick-me-up, sceletium is a jet ride to mental brilliance. The staggering effects of sceletium seem primarily due to a group of alkaloids, notably mesembrine, mesembrenol and tortuosamine. These compounds interact with receptors in the brain, enhancing the production of dopamine, which is our primary inner pleasure chemical, and prolonging the activity of serotonin, a critically important mood compound. The net effect of sceletium ingestion is a feeling of tremendous well being, heightened awareness, mental alertness and a keen-mindedness that is quite pronounced."

I was looking for info on whether it could also help ADHD and happened on this thread.
My son is on an ADHD med (Vyvanse). I was wondering if this could help him. Maybe sceletium would not replace it, but help him mellow out some? I've been noticing a lot more irritability in him of late.

I also got interested in sceletium after reading this testimonial:
http://www.sceletium-tortuosum.com/sceletium-tortuosum-natural-anti-depressant-story.htm


Great testimonial. Please let us know if this worked for you when you use your order.

Xorkoth
16-02-2016, 19:03
It doesn't seem to work too well for everyone (me for example, I don't really get anything good from it and it makes me feel kind of uncomfortable), but for those it does work for, I've heard some great reports.

Altamisal
17-02-2016, 09:10
Great testimonial. Please let us know if this worked for you when you use your order.

Order arrived today. I took my first dose in late afternoon, on an empty stomach (I generally eat little during the day).
Started feeling the effects soon enough. Still feeling it now, almost 11 pm. I just feel good, and calmer--been stressed lately, looking
for a new roommate after sharing apartment with my son the last 4 years. Met a new prospective roomie after taking the capsule
and felt more centered and sociable than usual, but also detached from whether he takes the room or not.
I went for a long walk after meeting with him and that helped the effects, I think. Walking is in itself a mood booster.

Earlier this evening my son and I played a story-making game, I came up with the basic idea, and we had fun coming up with a silly
but inventive story. %) Here again I think the Kanna helped.

I got a couple of free samples of fermented Kanna powder with my order. At first I thought it was smokeable and I gave one of them to my son, but
then I found you need smoker's cut for that. As I understand, he should start with one or two grams. Online it says two grams = 0.4 teaspoons,
how would he measure that out? 'Scuse my ignorance, I don't know from grams :) The capsules are 100 mg.

Anyway, I am going to take the advice given in this thread from the OP, take it daily, one capsule a day, let the effects build up. This is the perfect time for me to start
this, with all the changes I am going through. I have had pretty bad anxiety lately but was fine today. Better than fine :)
After a couple of months I will take a break for a month or so and then start up again.

Ena
17-02-2016, 19:05
It doesn't seem to work too well for everyone (me for example, I don't really get anything good from it and it makes me feel kind of uncomfortable), but for those it does work for, I've heard some great reports.

Xorkoth: Thank you for your post. Sorry to hear this does not work for you. See: that's what I am afraid of. I am a life-long non-stoner. Never used any drugs. As for booze, I am basically a teetotaler.... Yes, indeed, I am anxious to see if this is going to help my anxiety.

Ena
17-02-2016, 19:07
altamisal: Thank you for taking the time to update us on your experiment. This is very important, and it give me hope that, perhaps, this is going to help me, too. Cheers.

P.S: Would you mind sharing information on which company you purchased your capsules from, and which capsules you chose?

Altamisal
18-02-2016, 00:24
altamisal: Thank you for taking the time to update us on your experiment. This is very important, and it give me hope that, perhaps, this is going to help me, too. Cheers.

P.S: Would you mind sharing information on which company you purchased your capsules from, and which capsules you chose?

Definitely give it a try! I advise taking on an empty stomach, and exercising on it. I woke up still feeling the afterglow :)

I got it from this site where I read the testimonial I posted above.
http://www.sceletium-tortuosum.com/s...sant-story.htm (http://www.sceletium-tortuosum.com/sceletium-tortuosum-natural-anti-depressant-story.htm)

"Kanna Mood Support." 100 mg. 90 capsules. Grown in Namibia.
They have samples available if you want to go that route initially.

Ena
18-02-2016, 15:37
Altamisal (http://www.bluelight.org/vb/members/396648-Altamisal): Thanks so much. All the best on this the beginning of your new life as a kanna user. :D

Altamisal
19-02-2016, 00:03
Same to you Ena. :D btw, yesterday I found it helps with meditation, also.

Ena
19-02-2016, 16:29
Great! I am hoping that kanna will also help with creativity: though I have been told many times that I have a talent for writing, I seem to lack the necessary focus. I am hoping that kanna can help provide that focus, thus helping me carry that project through at the same time it keeps me cool, calm, and collected...... :-)