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jchitty
30-07-2013, 19:26
Dihydrocodeine is not Krokodil:

It is prescribed for moderate pain... OR - opiate withdrawals in UK more commonly. Dihydrocodeine is a semi-synthetic opioid analgesic, doseage being roughly 2x that of regular codeine. Was developed in the early 1900s, and is related to (in the family of immediate codeine opiates) oxycodone, hydrocodone etc. (Not quite as potent as those two, however).

Krokodil is... eye drop solution... lots of other crap... I don't know too much but if you want to find out about that disgusting, desperate drug, watch the Vice documentary on youtube - Krokodil - Russia's Deadliest Drug.

As for Etizolam, best brand is Etizest in my opinion, come in strips of 10, red, bar type tablets. 2nd comes Intas - also Indian produced.

Bigazznugz
30-07-2013, 19:55
Yes I know its not krok that if desomorphine sounded familiar thats all thanks for the info bro ever hear good things about the powder I could make gel caps

deekan
31-07-2013, 02:31
Hey, I just bought 5g of etizolam powder and was wondering on the best way to divide this up into doses. I was thinking of mixing it with some water and putting it in a dropper I have. The vial used to be used to hold some liquid LSD. Has anyone done anything like this before?

I dont believe etizolam is very soluble in water. Use propylene glycol or high proof liquor to dizzolve it

korgoth
01-08-2013, 12:13
I've been a moderate etizolam user for the better part of the year and I'm loving everything about it. It works great for anxiety, does wonders for comedowns, and fairly decent at enhancing the mood. Also liking for its muscle relaxation properties and how it increases my appetite and even seems to make food taste better and more fulfilling. It feels like it gets my body working to its optimal level for a better well being. Wake up the next morning refreshed with no hangover whatsover.

Its effect on prolactin levels gets me worried a bit but I rarely go over 1mg per day and try to keep it to once every 3 and so far seen no cause for concern. I've only noticed diminished effects and negative returns (headaches, difficulty concentrating) after using for more than 3 weeks straight, but this doesn't seem the case for everyone. I'm not too experienced with other benzos or their analogues but this hasn't exactly left me searching for something better. For etizolam to be so affordable and relatively easy to find I see it being a staple to my regimen for quite some time.

Lady Codone
01-08-2013, 13:38
I'm NOT a benzo person and hate feeling drowsy in general, but there's something very euphoric about etiz mixed with stimulants like 4-FA. It sent me into a hypomania state, which I've never experienced. I used it almost daily since March, with my highest doses ranging 6-7 mg per night. I'm now in the process of quitting and it's reallllllly sucky. Worst depression I've ever felt along with sweaty, nightmare-filled sleep and a constant urge to move (akathisia?). Opiate withdrawal has nothing on this.

My reasons for quitting are weight gain and hormonal issues. I assume it's the prolactin-increasing effects of etiz but don't really understand all that. What I do know is it's in the same class (thienodiazepines) as the antipsychotic Zyprexa, which was pulled from the market for causing diabetes. They may not be all that similar structurally, but I'm seeing too many metabolic effects to justify using this any longer. My experience with antipsychotics was very similar to this: rapid weight gain, overwhelming craving for carbohydrates & general weirdness with my moods. (Etiz seems like it falls somewhere between a benzodiazepine and an antipsychotic).

Anyway, just wanted to share my experience. Etiz is great for sleep or anxiety but should not be used regularly. I can see a lot of good people getting into trouble since it's so cheap/easy to obtain.

Oxy8_8
08-08-2013, 19:14
I enjoy genuine etizolam very much. I find those little blue tabs not only do the usual anxiety reduction, but the seem to have a mild mood-elevating effect. Mild euphoria. Like others have said, though, most of the etiz here in the UK is fake trash.
I believe you can tell the real thing by snapping it in half because genuine etizolam is white in the middle? Am I right?

bunge
09-08-2013, 19:25
Genuine intas etizolam are little, almost flat disks and are medium blue in colour with white insides.
Their also pretty solid, difficult to snap and dont dissolve all that quick, even with warm water.
Genuine ones also come in blister packs of ten.

Opanaking
10-08-2013, 04:48
I'm NOT a benzo person and hate feeling drowsy in general, but there's something very euphoric about etiz mixed with stimulants like 4-FA. It sent me into a hypomania state, which I've never experienced. I used it almost daily since March, with my highest doses ranging 6-7 mg per night. I'm now in the process of quitting and it's reallllllly sucky. Worst depression I've ever felt along with sweaty, nightmare-filled sleep and a constant urge to move (akathisia?). Opiate withdrawal has nothing on this.

My reasons for quitting are weight gain and hormonal issues. I assume it's the prolactin-increasing effects of etiz but don't really understand all that. What I do know is it's in the same class (thienodiazepines) as the antipsychotic Zyprexa, which was pulled from the market for causing diabetes. They may not be all that similar structurally, but I'm seeing too many metabolic effects to justify using this any longer. My experience with antipsychotics was very similar to this: rapid weight gain, overwhelming craving for carbohydrates & general weirdness with my moods. (Etiz seems like it falls somewhere between a benzodiazepine and an antipsychotic).

Anyway, just wanted to share my experience. Etiz is great for sleep or anxiety but should not be used regularly. I can see a lot of good people getting into trouble since it's so cheap/easy to obtain.

I agree that it should not be taken regularly. I also started noticing the effects of increased proactalin so I stopped taking it.

I thought Etizolam was going to be much better then it was. I like Valium/Xanax/Klonopin more. The cool thing is that it kicks in fast though. Seems good for infrequent panick attacks but not everyday use.

I also noticed a circle on my foot that looked like a blister. I read skin lessions and some eye blasphems are a rare side effect. The increased proactalin levels is noticeable for me, I noticed less energy and lost my sex drive.

It also feels like Etizolam just works for me at the beginning, I don't get the same effects from the active metabolite.

bunge
10-08-2013, 22:58
^
i havnt experienced any these side effects and if anything etizolam gives more a refreshing nights sleep for me and i wake ip feeling great.
However, i dont takemore then 2mg a night or rarely 3mg if i have 1mg earlier in the evening before the 2mg night dose. I do also try to have a break regularly of about a week, so maybe that helps.
anyway thats just my 0.02.lol

Opanaking
11-08-2013, 02:04
I'm glad I got some bad side effects. If it worked perfectly I could have easily taken it to often. The first side effect I noticed the most was without a doubt loss of sex drive. That was really disappointing because most benzodiazapines actually make me more relaxed and increase my sex drive sort of like alcohol. I'm very active so I notice these changes in my body such as less energy to do anything.

The effects were a lot better the first couple times I tried it. For that reason I think it's a good drug to take infrequently just not to often.

I used to like Klonopin and Xanax a lot and enjoyed a good benzo buzz. So I was probably expecting to much.

Everyones body is different and can experience different side effects from drugs

-Guido-
11-08-2013, 09:46
I'm not going to lie, I would love to use Etizolam here and there to get to sleep or to remedy panic attacks but even a 1mg dosage will leave me bloated and holding water the next day. It's strange and it's why I haven't touched the stuff in forever.

bunge
11-08-2013, 14:29
I cant say that its had a bad effect on my sex drive at all.
One thing i did notice is that when i first started on them, they made my orgasms more intense.
I put this down to the snri effects though as tramadol does the sme thing to me.
Both etizolam and tramadol dilate my pupils as well, although recently etizolam has stopped doing that so i guess thats the start of tolerance.lol

Bigazznugz
14-08-2013, 15:13
hey I got a quick question I notice a supplier is venting this compound in powder form. but it says that it's the freebase variant. does anybody know if there's a difference the free base and the hydrochloride salt? are there any differences in potency? I mean anybody know what the tablets contain to the pellets contain free days or do they contain that hydrochloride salt? I don't want to buy is if in an inactive version

belfort
15-08-2013, 02:53
etizolam is best used sparingly..i had laid off taking it but today dosed 2 mgs and wow, it felt nice..

wtf the best supplier is no longer accepting credit cards...ggrrrr

EP158207
16-08-2013, 20:42
I tried etizolam recently, and I dosed 2mg and had a blackout. I have never had any benzos before, so it was quite a high dose for me...so anyone who has little or no tolerance, I suggest sticking to 1mg. Before the blackout, I felt relaxed, but there was no euphoria as such, maybe a mild mood lift. I personally will not being doing it again.

PostHuman40k
17-08-2013, 00:21
Today I took 4-5mg etizolam (blue pellets from a trusthworthy UK vendor) throughout the day and I must say I didnt't feel anything at all (in terms of anxiety relief). I don't have a tolerance since this is the first time I bought benzos online, and I used it sparingly so far, 1-2mg every other day without effect. Same goes for Pyrazolam which I bought a few weeks ago, and they are just like sugar pills...
Something wrong with my gaba allosteric binding sites? should I increase the dose even more, when does it get dangerous?

I'm thinking about getting some Phenacepam as a last resort, that would be my last experiment with Benzos, maybe it just doesn't work for me..... like so many other drugs ;(

(general question: when you guys talk about 2mg dose etc, you mean for a whole day or within the half life of the drug?)

PsychedelicSicknes
17-08-2013, 00:41
i have zero benzo tolerance , i feel .5 mg , so 1-4mg u should DEF feel.

Fire&Water
17-08-2013, 00:47
Today I took 4-5mg etizolam (blue pellets from a trusthworthy UK vendor) throughout the day and I must say I didnt't feel anything at all (in terms of anxiety relief). I don't have a tolerance since this is the first time I bought benzos online, and I used it sparingly so far, 1-2mg every other day without effect. Same goes for Pyrazolam which I bought a few weeks ago, and they are just like sugar pills...
Something wrong with my gaba allosteric binding sites? should I increase the dose even more, when does it get dangerous?

I'm thinking about getting some Phenacepam as a last resort, that would be my last experiment with Benzos, maybe it just doesn't work for me..... like so many other drugs ;(

(general question: when you guys talk about 2mg dose etc, you mean for a whole day or within the half life of the drug?)

These vendors are not pharmacists, work at a pharmacy or anything of the like...You really expect "real drugs" ?

bunge
17-08-2013, 01:08
^
kinda depends on where you get them. If their no brand-vendor produced then expect them to be under dosed by at least 1 third ie.0.75mg instead of 1mg.
If however, they are a branded pill (like etilaam) then i would expect them to be a full 1mg per pill and without a doubt would be 'real drugs'.
I know theres always a chance of knock offs but ive never felt any difference in any batches of etilaam that i have bought.
@EP158207, 2mg is a decent dose of etizolam, roughly equal to about 15mg diazepam.
By itself etizolam isnt that dangerous, you would likely just pass out if you over did it but in combo with alcohol or opiates etc, its very dangerous.
If your non-tolerant then take it slow, 0.5mg at a time (every hr or so) until you hit the sweet spot.
Etizolam is best enjoyed in moderate doses.

mydrugbuddy
17-08-2013, 01:34
grrrr, starting to sound worse and worse - messes with seretonin and couses gain waight :/ and it soundes like perfect drug :(

how does it mess with serotonin ?

Le'Mix
17-08-2013, 01:40
I find etizolam the weakest benzo I have ever took and I have tried most of them.



I also think the marketing pitch of 1mg etiz = 10mg Diazepam/valium to be garbage in my comparison. This is my experience along with a few other people I have spoke to this about.
Others though feel that it is every bit a strong.

IDK, I just see it as watered down Valium and would happily swap 3mg of Etiz say for 60mg of Valium.

mydrugbuddy
17-08-2013, 01:40
Ive noticed the same thing regarding tolerance to etizolam.
When i first started using them i would buy the. privately pressed pellets and use about 3-4 of them a day.
Now i buy the intas etilaam1 and only need 2mg a day which goes to show the difference in quality!lol
.

this is exactly what i didnt want to hear. It seems the cowboys are still as shoddy as ever then, and nothing has improved since the first batch when they were promising the earth that their next batch would be better.. Fuckin shysters. . I find it quite despicabble tbh. That forces me to nuy poeder, cos if you want them for anythin other then recreation you need spot on doses.

you can get still get the real intas etilaam foil strips in the proper boxes direct frim India. But i dont fancy may cnaces of that getting through customs. 8(

It is true that they remain effective for anxiety for avery long time. Ive been using stupid amounts forover 2 years and they do fuck all for sleep anymore, but still have that anxiolytic effect. Quite miraculous IMO.

En2Tuk
17-08-2013, 21:10
Does anyone know the legality of these in Turkey? I plan on going on holiday there taking two strips in my wash bag but of course wont have a docs script. If I get stopped i don't want to be breaking any laws or end up in some Turkish jail 8( I know they have many OTC drugs over there but Benzo's are on script only. Not sure about these though? Can anyone advise?

Thanks.

mydrugbuddy
17-08-2013, 21:29
i THINK they are unscheduled everywhere, but if you have them in a foiul strip with some antidepressant aslo and ideally a drs scrpirt for te anti deps they may not even noptice.

i had the police in my living room the other day, he picjked up a strip of erizolam id left out accidentally, but as i had a pharmacy bag of anti deps near be he took them to be anti deps also. very lucky escape.

basically its risky, and id seriously comnsider if its worth the risk. they might keep you in a cell whilsy your plian flies offf to turkey, take several days to find that etiz arent controlled, but then theyll probably confidcae them and let you go. in short dont bother unless you also have legit meds which uou can mix them in withy. That way you'll possiblty get away with it in a simillart way to what i did.

Cyanoide
17-08-2013, 22:12
I love Etizolam. It's the only benzo (yes, yes, thienodiazepine, I just find it much easier to lump it together with benzos) besides clonazepam that gives me a surprisingly strong euphoria. Great for anxiety, and not too hypnotic, so I have no problems being at work or with people on it. I have really little to complain about it, maybe it could last a bit longer, as I prefer long-acting benzos but they're good enough.

cpuller
17-08-2013, 22:19
T
I'm thinking about getting some Phenacepam as a last resort, that would be my last experiment with Benzos, maybe it just doesn't work for me..... like so many other drugs ;(

If you take 4mg of phenazepam you will definately be fucked, its a lot less benign than etizolam from which I never had a single blackout or even memory issues.

And 2mg will let you sleep a lot easier and make you a little drowsy Im not sure this will give you a great high during the day.

Cyanoide
17-08-2013, 22:28
Today I took 4-5mg etizolam (blue pellets from a trusthworthy UK vendor) throughout the day and I must say I didnt't feel anything at all (in terms of anxiety relief). I don't have a tolerance since this is the first time I bought benzos online, and I used it sparingly so far, 1-2mg every other day without effect. Same goes for Pyrazolam which I bought a few weeks ago, and they are just like sugar pills...
Something wrong with my gaba allosteric binding sites? should I increase the dose even more, when does it get dangerous?

I'm thinking about getting some Phenacepam as a last resort, that would be my last experiment with Benzos, maybe it just doesn't work for me..... like so many other drugs ;(

(general question: when you guys talk about 2mg dose etc, you mean for a whole day or within the half life of the drug?)

I have a hard time believing no benzo works for you, but they do affect us differently. Hence the opinions about them often are quote different.

PosHuman, if you must buy benzos from RC vendors, choose another benzo than phenazepam. Just a kind suggestion. Phenazepam caused quite a lot of havoc when it was popular.

Also, it seems you mention only RC benzos. If you need benzos and the RC ones don't work, why not talk to a doctor? The prescribed benzos are the ones that most effectively do their job. I think no one can dispute that e.g. diazepam, alprazolam and clonazepam are something quite different than any RC benzo.

mydrugbuddy
17-08-2013, 22:28
POSTHUMAN: DO NOT TAKE PHENAZEPAM.

If you're one of the few on here that hasnt heard about my 2 major meltdowns where i totally lost the plot, i have to tell you that massive over-indulgence in Phenaz was the major cause of my problems.

Oh i should mention i was caining it like a bottle of brandy or somethinmg, if you can control yourself to stick to low irregular doses it might be ok. But its ONE HUGE knock out fuck up of a substance really IME.

AVOID. Choose anything else.

bunge
17-08-2013, 23:48
@mydrugbuddy, yeah the fuckin cowboys are still around.
I started with a vendor who produces their own pellets and thought that they were awesome.
I would take like 3/4 tabs over an evening and be really chilled out.
Then after about 6 weeks of trying a couple of different vendors, i found one doing proper etilaam1 (intas) and never looked back.
The intas ones are a couple of quid dearer but their well worth it, 2mg and im nicely chilled, 3mg and im out like a light. The vendor i use is spot on as well, as long as i order before 3pm, my package always arrives the next day.....etiz is just awesome stuff.lol
The day i hear about etizolam being placed in the misuse of drugs act (it will happen eventually, it always does), im buying a shit-ton to last me.lol

bunge
17-08-2013, 23:55
That phenazepam is the blackout king! Avoid at all costs, unless your a serious benzo-head with a iron will/self-control (thats an oxymoron i know.lol).
Its that loooong halflife that fucks you up. You redose like 24hrs later and head straight into blackout because theres still most of rhe dose from the day before.
I mean, even the russians dont dare use it anymore and we have all seen what their willing to do to themselves for a high (krockodil).

En2Tuk
19-08-2013, 22:45
So some poor guy has died (RIP) in Hampshire (UK) after taking AMT...but it turns out he took Etizolam as well! It's on the bbc website. Hope this isn't the beginning of the end for Etizolam.

mrcientist
19-08-2013, 22:48
Lovely lovely etizolam. 14mg about to begin it's journey through my body. I REALLY hope I've hit the sweet spot of being utterly fucked and not just passing out! =D

EDIT: significant tolerance, no booze or opiates involved

mrcientist
19-08-2013, 22:49
So some poor guy has died (RIP) in Hampshire (UK) after taking AMT...but it turns out he took Etizolam as well! It's on the bbc website. Hope this isn't the beginning of the end for Etizolam.

I bet he was drinking too... CNS downers. Never. Mix. Well.

stvn758
19-08-2013, 23:30
Amazed how they still work, I never go overboard with them but even after taking three or four a day for a while when stress levels reach critical I can quit for a while and then just take one and that wonderful feeling of all that anxiety fading into the background is sublime.

Just one still makes me start yawning.

mrcientist
19-08-2013, 23:47
It's got me perfect.obviously intoxicated, sloppy typing haha <3 perfect dose<3

Boognish
21-08-2013, 04:56
I feel a shitload of rebound anxiety from taking a single 2.5mg dose. Is that too high of dose for rare occasions? If so fuck this shit.

phintly
22-08-2013, 14:05
Just wanted to respond to a few quick points I saw brought up that I didn't see answers to.

Firstly, Etizolam is very soluble in propyleneglycol and slightly soluble in water (if I had an article I'd quote it for you, but I don't). Propyleneglycol is obtainable locally and on the internet. Just be sure it's USP grade.

Now, anecdotally speaking, I've seen etizolam go into 10mg/ml of PPG without much heat or agitation. Some associates have been able to dilute it to about 1mg/ml (1mg etizolam, 0.1ml ppg, 0.9h2o). DI water -- one tried using tap water and everything started crashing out around 2-3mg/ml.


There was another user that talked about its sedative affects -- personally, people I know who take it prefer it recreationally or as an anxiolytic, and use phenazepam (no, I haven't read your horror stories) if they're looking more for sedation. That said, to each his own. Ethanol is a depressant that can help one sleep, too, but reduces the quality of your sleep; benzodiazepines and GABAergics in general are known for their reduction in sleep quality -- higher deep wave, lower REM, etc. -- though according to an article, reference 5 on the Wikipedia page, this effect is less pronounced with etizolam.

I think it goes without saying doing your homework Is one of the most important things, and definitely to question your sources. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etizolam#cite_ref-depas_5-0

Levo
28-08-2013, 21:42
I prefer glycerin over propylene glycol as a solvent for etizolam. Propylene glycol isn't toxic, but it's not as safe as glycerin, a natural by-product of the body breaking down fats. It's also sold OTC at a very affordable price with USP purity. Propylene glycol isn't going to be USP pure, and may have trace impurities.

I have to shake well before using; a little bit settles, but that's no big deal. An oral syringe or graduated medicine spoon (used for pediatric medicine administration) is ideal. I strongly suggest *not* injecting it or using any route other than oral or maybe sublingual.

mydrugbuddy
04-09-2013, 13:51
I've been using Intas Etilaam etizolams for ages and now since i can find no other way of obtaining these other than trying to import them direct from India I have bought some of the pure powder to help stretch out what remains of my tablets stash whilst i gradually taper off.

I measured out 400mg of the powder extremely precisely on an accurate scale and mixed it with 200ml of monopropylgygol (sp ?). For some reason the same dose of this liquid feels a lot stronger and seems to pack more of a punch than the pills.

Has anyone else noticed this ? I always thought the Intas Etilaams were meant to be spot on (until now!) Maybe its just because liquids hit you faster as they are absorbed quicker ? Maybe I'm imagining it or maybe the pills just do not contain exactly 1 mg ?

What does anyone else who has experience of both think ?

hangyourhead
04-09-2013, 15:46
Waiting for my package of #50 Sedekopan-brand 1mg etiz pellets to arrive today. So stoked, I'm assuming these will be more precise and equivalent dosage-wise, more so than the chemist-made pellets that turn my whole mouth blue lol

belfort
29-09-2013, 16:16
i want to hear more feedback on etizest brand of etizolam?is it better or same as etilaam?anyone know or have experience?

phactor
29-09-2013, 17:24
i want to hear more feedback on etizest brand of etizolam?is it better or same as etilaam?anyone know or have experience?

Think I might like is slightly more then intas, feels a bit more potent.

Oh ROXIanne!
29-09-2013, 19:38
Oddly enough the etizest tabs seem slightly less potent to me compared to the intas.

belfort
29-09-2013, 20:57
lol damn ive tried googling etizest vs intas etilaam and not much comes up..some like it better, some dont...hmm..

listfull
30-09-2013, 02:22
lol damn ive tried googling etizest vs intas etilaam and not much comes up..some like it better, some dont...hmm..

-Yeah, I been trying to find out the same thing. I've tried Intas and liked it.. but was wondering if Etizest might be better or at least stronger perhaps? Can anybody advise a comparison of the two brands?

bunge
30-09-2013, 20:40
TBH, its gonna be one of those different brands for different people type of deal.
It could be down to slighty different inactive fillers and binders and peoples slightly different stomach PH etc.
Not to be under-estimated is the psychological aspect of brands. If you associate a brand with a better experience (which might have had nothing to do with the drug but rather other factors like other drugs taken that day or stomach contents or even just having a good day.
Expectation of a particular brand being 'better' then another can be a powerful mental force and can change your whole drug experience.
The only exception is privately pressed 'vendor' pellets, your just rolling the dice there.lol

belfort
30-09-2013, 23:25
i have some etizest coming my way so i shall post my thoughts on them..

Thormier^
30-09-2013, 23:42
I wonder if these got banned another one would just take it's place

Oh ROXIanne!
01-10-2013, 00:25
Someone on another forum wrote that intas only require there to be 70% of active ingredient in each pill while concern, the makers of etizest have a higher standard. This has not been my experience, 100 of the etizest didn't last me as long as 100 of the etilaam would have. I think this is most likely the result of my tolerance catching up with me. Just to be sure, I made my next order a 50/50 split of etilaam and etizest.

dopemegently
01-10-2013, 00:48
That's what I've heard, and it's pretty unacceptable. My vendor stock the "etizest" pills, so I might give them a go. (Cool name btw).

What I've been doing lately is buying the pure etiz powder from a trusted vendor, and carefully cutting it with bicarb. (I dye the bicarb blue so visually confirming my cut is good is easy with a magnifying glass.) I prefer doing it this way; I know how much I'm getting per pill, if I'm careful.