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Fire&Water
05-06-2013, 22:25
Fucking rediculous eh ? Pharmacies seem to raise the price on suboxone & subutex every 3 months
I'd like to know if anybody has any info' about this also...

BlueHues
06-06-2013, 03:30
That's a lot cheaper than I just paid...They're over 10 a pop out in these parts, but it's Neb....

Fire&Water
06-06-2013, 07:34
That's a lot cheaper than I just paid...They're over 10 a pop out in these parts, but it's Neb....

Of course they are...and whats the definition of a drug dealer again ?

BlueHues
06-06-2013, 07:47
^I'm talkin Walgreens baby!

Fire&Water
06-06-2013, 07:57
^I'm talkin Walgreens baby!

Thats (exactly) what I'm talkin' bout'...one of the biggest, by far
but their just the low end on the totem...

Mr.Scagnattie
06-06-2013, 15:53
I think the actual suboxone doctors are the biggest drug dealers in my eyes.

ChemicalSmiles
06-06-2013, 16:01
yup ^^^ big time.

DrinksWithEvil
06-06-2013, 22:07
Ya man I have to pay my sub ox 200 dollars just for him to call in my script. Then another 120 for 30 pills. Crazy

Wolfmans_BrothEr
10-06-2013, 06:19
help me with a taper plan? I have seven, 8mg films. I IV 15-20 bags/day of east coast dope. Just shot my last 6 at 10:30pm so I can sleep and spend tm waiting to take my first sub.

What's the EARLIEST I can take my first sub?

Ian937
10-06-2013, 08:13
If your sleepin b4 u dose sub try to keep it kinda warm so youll sweat some of that dope out then wait 14 hrs you should be fine unless your metabolism is slow and your a bigger guy, it has other variables like what you ate last night even contributes i believe, but i feel ur pain im inducing all over again tommorow after a wk binge.. It was not a good week, od'd on iv coke and managed to make it outside to police. And get ambo to come ..Lost all control of limbs half my vision. Broke a bunch of shit on way out, talk about a wake up call. Before work today i met w a guy w 15 yrs clean and hes gona be my sponsor , never tried it before but have never fully suceeded either, hes a hella ccool dude... Plan on takin 4mg probably and ill get script on saturday,hopin for tex.. Man i just fucked up i had 2 mths clean.. :( its pretty hard not to feel down. My mom found out bcuzmy roomate got bk thought i had been abducted so noe everybody i care about basically knows i relapsed

mydrugbuddy
10-06-2013, 13:15
Is it normal for certain brands of buprenorphine tablets to come in different sized blister packs ? Say strips of 7, and also longer strips ?

I only ask because i have seen a complete strip of 7 pills, and another strip that has been cut with scissors, but by joining the pieces it can be seen that the other strip is longer than the strip with 7 pills.

Sign of fakes, or nothing to worry about ?

vicapro
10-06-2013, 14:01
I know for a fact that over the past couple years the n8 actual tablets have much more filler in them. Up until a year ago snorting a quarter of a 8mg tab went down smoothly and I thought that it was one of the easier pills to insufflate. But now I refuse to snort my subs because it clogs my nose up something awful and I smell that nasty orange scent here and there for a few hours. I'm not 100% bc I don't have anything on paper but I would stare at the line for like 10 just thinking to myself that there's like double the amount of powder there used to be.

DickTate
10-06-2013, 14:23
mdb: As far as I know this is normal. Some of the blisters I saw are missing one spot where another pill would fit so I wouldn't worry.

How is it going btw? I consumed again. And again. With sober days inbetween. Today the last 0,4mg Bupe so I am where I was at over one month ago...
But I know it is possible. Got 2 Oxazepam and Gabapentin for the next round of (hopefully only light) WDs.

genericworries
10-06-2013, 14:50
So my supplier said he can no longer get the N8s. All he has now are the round white ones. I've been putting this off for several months now. Can anyone with experience on the two different types give me some advice here?

I have been snorting one N8 per week, took me a long time to get to this low amount and I've been able to stay here for almost a year now.

I'm really stressing here, can I snort the white ones still?

mydrugbuddy
10-06-2013, 15:16
mdb: As far as I know this is normal. Some of the blisters I saw are missing one spot where another pill would fit so I wouldn't worry.

How is it going btw? I consumed again. And again. With sober days inbetween. Today the last 0,4mg Bupe so I am where I was at over one month ago...
But I know it is possible. Got 2 Oxazepam and Gabapentin for the next round of (hopefully only light) WDs.

So its normal to get strips of 7, and maybe 10 or 14 pills also ?

I know exactly what you mean about ending up where you were a month ago. Except Im about where i was several months ago with the AH. Etizolam is down from silly amounts to 8mg. Still silly, but getting there. At least you're having some sober days. You're quite a bit further down the road to recovery than myself, so it seems to me you're doing really well. The occasional relapse isnt the end of the world, so long as you dont get back to daily continuous use.

I made a pact with myself that im gonna quit the AH by the end of June. So I wont be taking any more come July and will switch to subs. Gives me time to mentally prepare, maybe taper a bit lower on the AH first (@ 145mg daily currently) otherwise i may need to start off with 3mg of bupe.

DickTate
10-06-2013, 16:35
genericworries: Yes, you can snort them.

mdb:

I don't know if it is normal but they exist:

http://drugline.org/img/drug/subutex-21814_2.jpg

And I shouldn't have used the term "sober" since I usually smoke some weed or/and take low dose Gabapentin...
Btw I think 3mg Bupe is too much for your habit. 1mg was enough for me when I was used to 75mg of AH so 2mg should be enough.

Legs
10-06-2013, 18:06
How did you get on YellowNikes? I have just gone through something similar and found Buprenorphine (called Subutex over here) to be fantastic! I had a hip replacement a few years ago after being shot, which left my pelvis area a right mess. I ended up on a downward spiral of stronger and stronger painkillers and ended up hooked on methadone. For the first year I was buying it illegally, for which I was arrested for twice (worst thing I could do). Then after seeing sense, I got myself prescribed methadone and done a quick reduction from 40mg down to 2mg, at 5mg per week, but then got stuck and had really bad withdrawal when I made the drop from 2mg-0mg. After 4 days of feeling like dog shit, I went back and was prescribed 4mg of buprenorphine daily. It's worked fine for me and I'm now reducing on Bupe at 0.8mg. I was wondering how your detox went??

sxeandpure
13-06-2013, 17:23
Does anyone here have experience with kicking a (relatively speaking) low dose of suboxone after only a few months of use? I was on 2mg for 3 months and recently kicked cold turkey last weekend. I'd like to know if there's anyway to predict how long I'll be in withdrawal (days, weeks, etc.) if those of you have any personal anecdotes

Mr.Scagnattie
13-06-2013, 18:33
Does anyone here have experience with kicking a (relatively speaking) low dose of suboxone after only a few months of use? I was on 2mg for 3 months and recently kicked cold turkey last weekend. I'd like to know if there's anyway to predict how long I'll be in withdrawal (days, weeks, etc.) if those of you have any personal anecdotes

There's no way to give you a concrete number. The fact you were on a low dose for only a few months helps a lot, but ideally you should have tapered down further from 2mg's. That's actually a high dose to come off, even though the doctors suggest it, but they really don't know shit. You should hop off at <1mg, preferably .5 or below.

But, the PAWS is what lasts so long with bupe withdrawal. It will be a couple months before you're feeling 100% again, but you'll be considerably better in a few weeks.

sxeandpure
14-06-2013, 18:06
One more question...to help me taper I'm using really small amounts of the film strips. I'm interested in dissolving them in water and then using a syringe to shoot/spray the solution up my nose. Any idea how much what I should use if I'm going for .25mg of bupe, and where in my nose/how far back I should 'aim'?

Topmid
15-06-2013, 09:01
is it ok to take suboxone before going to sleep? or will it keep me up all night? i finally hit 24 hours and it's been a hell of a day.

mydrugbuddy
15-06-2013, 19:54
Has anyone ever crushed their bupe pills and added the powder to something like PG ?

I am thinking of possibly doing this to increase the accuracy of dosing. Cutting a pill in half is easy, but quarters and eights are very hard to get right, and i know that this is a very strong opiate, so getting the dose slightly wrong could make a big difference :?

StartedHydro
16-06-2013, 18:10
I am envious of my gf right now. She likes to take opiates but she has great self control. She is a nurse Prac and always has a bottle of hydro around and she can make a bottle of 60 last six months. Anyways, she slipped getting out of the pool earlier and slammed her knee on the concrete real hard, it's swolllllllleeeen and black. Well I went for her hydros and she had a half of a 7.5 left, no good. So I gave her around 1 mg of my bupe and she is higher than I've ever seen her. She's very very chatty, very very friendly, she's very sexual to begin with but even more so on bupe, and very energetic.

I miss the bupe feel.

dwid
16-06-2013, 22:27
Hi, I had a question about the ceiling affect of buprenorphine, if it was already answered, sorry I didn't find it using the search engine
They say the ceiling affect is 32 mg, but what i keep wondering is, for what route of administration is the ceiling affect 32 mg? are they talking about sublingual because if someone snorts it then the ceiling affect would be closer to 16 mg since you get 50 percent of the drug that way instead of 30 percent, and if you iv or im it, then the ceiling affect would be even lower.

But if they are saying the ceiling affect for buprenorphine is 32 mg based on iv/im route (which I think is how it was used before sub came around with the bupe in the vials), then that would mean the dose it would take to get the ceiling affect would be much higher.

anyone have any answers to this? it wold be interesting to read a study of how they established the ceiling affect.

junkiejess
21-06-2013, 05:00
Ok so course life the rest of you i'm a junkie... Whatever. I finally went down and got on subutex and I just know I will go out a relapse. My question is if I take 12 mgs of subutex at seven am and use twelve hours later will I be safe to take my next dose of Tex at seven again? And if it helps clarify I only need to wait twelve hours before in sick enough to start taking Tex in the first place???

Fire&Water
21-06-2013, 05:23
Read the megathread at the top of the (other drugs) page
You will learn more than any of us can post...

OEandricearoni
27-06-2013, 06:58
So I went to go get my scrip for sub filled today, normally I get the 8mg RB films and have been getting them ever since I started seeing my doctor. For whatever reason this time i got generic tablets. I'm not complaining as I literally payed less than 1/5 of what I pay for the RB films, and I prefer the tablets as they are easier to snort.

Anyway this is my first time ever even seeing a generic suboxone tablet so they are new to me. So far they aren't too bad. They don't taste great but honestly it's more tolerable to me than the disgusting lime flavor of the old orange N8's. That doesn't matter much to me though as i'll be snorting them most the time anyway. As far as snorting....so far so good. No burning at all....they are quite odorless and don't have much taste to them so they aren't unpleasant at all to snort.

I'm really glad I got these this month and hope to get them i the future. Saved me a ton of money and I actually prefer them over the films. Generic Suboxone FTW! Bout damn time...

Pillseeker
27-06-2013, 09:11
Hello every one. This is my second thread that I've decided to create. I am still very new to Bluelight (as a member.) That being said I've been trying to think of some topics that I am very highly informed and educated on. Brand name 'Suboxone' is actually the 'Semi-Synthetic' chemical 'Buprenorphine.' As some of you may be aware it is prescribed for two primary reasons. The most commonly reason for a doctor prescribing Buprenorphine is for opiate dependency. For the remainder of my post I will refer to it by it's chemical name; reason being that there are many different brand names out there and some do indeed have different effects/side effects/risks/abuse potentials. Brand name 'Suboxone' is the most widely prescribed and known of the 'semi-synthetic' Buprenorphine medications on the market that I am aware of. Buprenorphine is a revised form of opiate addiction treatment. Brand name 'Suboxone' also includes 'Naloxone' in a 4:1 ratio. Four times less than the dose of Buprenorphine. Suboxone also has recently made the decision by their pharmaceutical company ("Reckitt Benckiser Healthcare") to take their drug and slowly but surely change it over into a sublingually dissolving strip, that is placed under the tongue on either the left or right side of your mouth. Their main reason for this being that is has certain advantages to 'abuse proofing' the drug. (As well as disadvantages.) Reckitt Benckiser Healthcare distributes Suboxone (Buprenorphine and Naloxone) in a 4:1 ratio. The Naloxone in the drug is in basically inert when the Suboxone is taking sublingually. The prescribing of Buprenorphine for moderate-severe pain management was the primary reason for the drug being brought on to the market in the earlier years. When prescribed for pain management the drug is given in a much lower dosing; and it also does not contain any Naloxone (as far as I am personally aware.) When Buprenorphine is prescribed for opiate/opiod addiction it is given at a much higher dosing due to Buprenorphine's extremely long half life. (The average half-life varies per individual but it can range from about 30-48 hours.) This quite long half-life causes a ceiling effect; meaning that when taken as prescribed the strength with which Buprenorphine binds to your opiod receptors is so high to where your second dose will 'stack on' so to speak with you previous dose quite some time before all of the drug has left your body. This is primarily why Suboxone is the 'new age' methadone so to speak. No narcotic is really 'abuse proof' to someone with intentions to misuse it. This thread is to inform everyone and anyone who might have some questions regarding Buprenorphine. (Suboxone, Subutex) there are many brand names for this semi-synthetic chemical; therefor I chose to personally refer to it as Buprenorphine. Anything that I may have missed please feel free to point out, and ask any questions that you guys may have. I am highly experienced with this chemical and would like to clear up any misunderstandings that I'm quite sure many of you may have about it. :) And of course as always thank you guys; I hope my knowledge can be shared with anyone who might need it. Knowledge is power; and in certain situations it can be the difference between safe recreational use and crossing the line. ;)

mydrugbuddy
28-06-2013, 18:14
It's my first day on the Buprenorphine today. Haven't had any AH7921 since Wednesday night. Took no opis at all yesterday, didn't feel the need, possibly because AH has a hell of a long half life. I've quartered a 2 mg pill, and taking it quarter by quarter every 2 hours.

I'm intending to quit opiates once and for all as I cant control myself with them, and the really good ones would soon bankrupt me, so i'm taking poor mans opiates anyway. Sick of being stuck in this trap. The downsides are outweighing the ups.

I'm not feeling too bad at all so far, after 1mg, just a bit fuzzy headed. I was expecting the switchover to be far more horrific.

EDIT: (a few hours later) I think I may have spoken too soon. After 1.5 mg of bupe i'm starting to feel those bad old withdrawal symptoms. At this stage I'm not sure if its because the AH has finally worn off, or if the bupe is forcing 'precipitated withdrawals', or if ive been sold fuckin fake pills.

Maybe tomorrow if i take the 2mg pill all in one go i should be able to judge if the 'bupe' is having any effect.

What would people experienced with bupe say ? and would you recommend taking 1 dose all at once per day, and would that be better in the morning or at night ?

manboychef
28-06-2013, 20:39
Generally you should wait till your in full blown withdrawal before inducing on Suboxone. Most doctors have you take half of your total daily dose in the morning and the other half at night. t this point you have to ask yourself; how tight do u want your handcuffs...? Just kick man.

mydrugbuddy
28-06-2013, 21:41
Just kick man.

I understand where you are coming from, but I cant, or choose not to just kick, after having several experinces of quitting runs on o-dt cold turkey. I'm too much of a baby to go through the AH cold turkey that can last a whole month. Its not an attractive prospect.

Ive been trying for months to taper down, with no success. I've psyched myself out of just kicking. But as i believe Bupe will help me quit i think it will. There's a very large psychological aspect to how to manage coming off opis IMHO.

I'm now feeling ok, after taking all 4 quarters of the pill, and a phenergan (been feeling sick all day, phenergan has worked and cured that) one pregabalin and a couple of etizolams to supplement. I was starting to feel bad a couple of hours ago and i've not been able to eat more than a few morsels of bread, but apart from a headache I feel OK now. A hundred times better than just kicking IMO.

I waited about 30 hours after last taking AH, and had read that the switch over is not so brutal if you take tiny amounts of bupe to start with.

Fire&Water
28-06-2013, 22:24
I understand where you are coming from, but I cant, or choose not to just kick, after having several experinces of quitting runs on o-dt cold turkey. I'm too much of a baby to go through the AH cold turkey that can last a whole month. Its not an attractive prospect.

Ive been trying for months to taper down, with no success. I've psyched myself out of just kicking. But as i believe Bupe will help me quit i think it will. There's a very large psychological aspect to how to manage coming off opis IMHO.

I'm now feeling ok, after taking all 4 quarters of the pill, and a phenergan (been feeling sick all day, phenergan has worked and cured that) one pregabalin and a couple of etizolams to supplement. I was starting to feel bad a couple of hours ago and i've not been able to eat more than a few morsels of bread, but apart from a headache I feel OK now. A hundred times better than just kicking IMO.

I waited about 30 hours after last taking AH, and had read that the switch over is not so brutal if you take tiny amounts of bupe to start with.

Unless you are positive you are taking pure "doxylam" you are using yourself as a lab experiment...
I've known people with large habits (pharmaceutical opioids) that needed 16 + mg's of bupe' for initial dose, but there is no reason not to be down to 4 mg's (or less) after 2 weeks.

mydrugbuddy
28-06-2013, 22:53
Unless you are positive you are taking pure "doxylam" you are using yourself as a lab experiment...
I've know people with large habits (pharmaceutical opioids) that needed 16 + mg's of bupe' for initial dose, but there is no reason not to be down to 4 mg's (or less) after 2 weeks.

Ive been using myself that way for the past 4 years with loads of different RCs. I think the bupe i got is the real deal. I'm feeling stimulated now though, is that a normal reaction for the first day on bupe ? My AH habit was low dose, so ive started on 2mg of bupe, and will work down from that.

Fire&Water
28-06-2013, 23:07
There are too many variables...but if the AH blah blah blah is legitimate, and your habit is small, you should get relief from withdrawal symptoms.
Hard to be sure of anything w/ (so-called) research chemicals

mydrugbuddy
28-06-2013, 23:30
yeah, i know, and agree. I'm sure that im feeling far better than i would have if i'd just quit cold turkey.

DickTate
29-06-2013, 13:00
Morning mdb,

Great to hear that your switch was relatively painless although I am pretty sure that 1mg-1,5mg would suffice but whatever.
Yes, stimulation is pretty common with Bupe and one of the main reasons why I like it. I also agree with the big pschological part regarding opiate WD.

From my experience it was very easy to taper down the Buprenorphine from 1mg to 0,4 where I jumped last time.
Now I had two opiate free days but still one 0,4mg tablet here which I am very tempted to use since I slept like 3 hours last night...

Can anyone comment on the potential success of prolonging the intervalls between taking your dose before finally jumping off?

mydrugbuddy
29-06-2013, 14:50
Cheers for the confirmation. At least Im sure the pills are genuine now. They are extremely well made, stamped proffessionally with "B2", and the the blister strips look totally kosher too. As im not into IV I've snorted 1 quarter of a pill (against all advice) for the higher bioavailabilty and possibilty of a buzz and sublingualed an other quarter, as that might last longer, i dunno. It looks like the ROA makes a big difference to the bioavailibilty and snorting could lead to a bupe problem if you're not careful, but I'm totally determined to stick to the taper plan ive drawn up.

EDIT: I think you may be right DT, 1 mg all at once is very very strong, i definately should not have had a coffee with it this morning. Feeling a bit jittery and over stimulated now. 1mg may be enough now that it seems to be building up in my body.

geraggh34
29-06-2013, 17:10
I don't know what in the hell to do anymore I'm 20 years old about to get a promotion into management at my job. I'm tired of getting bupe off the street and on top f that I take 1mg of clonazepam a month since I quit using heroin in January 2012 and have taken it every day since getting bupe off the street since.

My problem is the clonazepam I get is not RXed and Im having a real hard time gettin inducted anywhere because of it I'm too afraid to taper off the benzos alone and need to figure something out fast.

I can't keep going around with a insulin syringe with the tip off and my non rxed bupe.

I just wanted to see if anyone had any pOssible suggestions or advice.

Also can I get in trouble with the law carrying an insulin syringe if the needle tip is broken off? Baby syringes are too big and don't seem efficient as I'm now snorting my bupe and quit IVing them a couple months ago..

Ugh this is a nightmare

Brose
01-07-2013, 01:08
Morning mdb,

Great to hear that your switch was relatively painless although I am pretty sure that 1mg-1,5mg would suffice but whatever.
Yes, stimulation is pretty common with Bupe and one of the main reasons why I like it. I also agree with the big pschological part regarding opiate WD.

From my experience it was very easy to taper down the Buprenorphine from 1mg to 0,4 where I jumped last time.
Now I had two opiate free days but still one 0,4mg tablet here which I am very tempted to use since I slept like 3 hours last night...

Can anyone comment on the potential success of prolonging the intervalls between taking your dose before finally jumping off?

Absolutely. Taking 4mg one day and skipping the next is the same as taking 2mg daily. So, no matter what dose youre at, the less often you dose the better off you'll be.

Oxy8_8
01-07-2013, 02:07
I was watching an episode of "Intervention" the other say and the subject, Sandra, was a prescription medication addict who took a combination of anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, pain killers, sleeping pills and opiate blockers.

She took suboxone, but she also took Opana ER (twice a day as intended and let the slow-release work correctly) and various immediate-release pain pills such as roxycodone, vicodin, etc.

My question is: how did the suboxone not knock her into withdrawal when she was taking the opiate pain killers? And how come they still worked? And why would she "abuse" suboxone? What abuse potential could it possibly have (she took all her medication as prescribed, btw, no injecting, snorting, even chewing)? It's left me so confused. And pain pills were her favorite (apart from maybe seroquel). So took oxys, percocet, vicadin, even alzaselter-plus constantly.

Any explanations??

DickTate
01-07-2013, 10:56
Absolutely. Taking 4mg one day and skipping the next is the same as taking 2mg daily. So, no matter what dose youre at, the less often you dose the better off you'll be.

Thanks Brose, that gives me a little more confidence with my plan although the first abstinent days repeat themselves this way.
But it was the boredom and PAWS which got me last time, the acute phase is manageable at my doses. Still shit but not unbearable.

Brose
02-07-2013, 03:26
At the point you're at, I imagine taking a 0.5mg sliver of a pill would be an effective daily dose for fighting off PAWS. Then try every two days, then three days. Eventually youll get to a point where you no longer need to take it at all. Just keep cutting your dose in half until its at 0.5mg/day and then eventually moving to every other day, then continuing to decrease either your dose or rate of intake.

edit - just so I dont look like a hypocrite... i personally have not yet attempted this, but it is how i plan to come off, if ever. It is logically the least harsh way on the body.

DrinksWithEvil
02-07-2013, 03:48
I was watching an episode of "Intervention" the other say and the subject, Sandra, was a prescription medication addict who took a combination of anti-depressants, anti-psychotics, pain killers, sleeping pills and opiate blockers.

She took suboxone, but she also took Opana ER (twice a day as intended and let the slow-release work correctly) and various immediate-release pain pills such as roxycodone, vicodin, etc.

My question is: how did the suboxone not knock her into withdrawal when she was taking the opiate pain killers? And how come they still worked? And why would she "abuse" suboxone? What abuse potential could it possibly have (she took all her medication as prescribed, btw, no injecting, snorting, even chewing)? It's left me so confused. And pain pills were her favorite (apart from maybe seroquel). So took oxys, percocet, vicadin, even alzaselter-plus constantly.

Any explanations??

because its intervention

Ian937
02-07-2013, 19:12
Im tired of being on subs :\

manboychef
04-07-2013, 10:28
^^^^tell your doctor your ready to taper and jump



I went back to subs on day eight. Ugh the paws is ridiculous. I am seeking psychiatric help and getting my mental state stable before I try again.

To all that can handle the depression and anxiety...much respect.

Universal_General
06-07-2013, 06:25
You know I have read so many people mentioning PAWS from stopping the subs will stay with people forever and there is absolutely no way out. Hope that is not true. Some have even allegedly taken their own life because of the depression coming off subs. I fear these claims I really do, what kind of a life would it be living in PAWS? terrible.

StartedHydro
06-07-2013, 13:30
I got a hold of some subutex and I got to say I'm ratcheted surprised at how I felt after IVed. I felt the effects of bupe a lot faster, actually had a significant mood lift, and it woke me up from my early morning grogginess that suboxone never could. I was expecting the same results as suboxones and once I laid back down after the shot I was shocked at my heart rate elevating, desire to want to talk, surf the net, music. Nothing like a shot of H, but def not a nothing shot like suboxone. Only thing I can think is just maybe naxlone gets there first and bupe has to dislodge it and that effects the subject feeling of bupe working, no idea.

I can say first hand on a few separate occasions from WDing off of buprenorphine if done correctly(proper taper) there will be very very little WDs or PAWs. No matter the length of time used. I have tapered myself off buprenorphine a few times and stayed off all opiates/ioids for months and went back to them not from anguish but the constant desire to feel high. I tapered myself down to the .20 range and then would start skipping days in between doses. Did that for around a month and a half. The most I noticed was a tiny bit of energy loss, mostly made up by my mind. I have been around others who have done the same and walked away with zero WDs and no paws. I believe a honest true taper and almost anyone can get away from opioids rather painlessly with buprenorphine.

hangyourhead
06-07-2013, 14:36
Bupe has some truly unhealthy features for long-term ORT. I noticed my cuts/wounds healed very slowly, appetite went to shit, caused major insomnia if dosed anytime other than the morning, I couldn't ejaculate for the life of me during intercourse, loss of libido, weaker immune system, rapid weight loss... made me look more like a junkie than ever before, increased anxiety, really took the fun out of smoking weed and turned many highs into panic attacks possibly due to the strange stimulatory effects of buprenorphine. I heard the same stories from those I was in rehab with. I think bupe is better suited for short-term ORT and tapers.

StartedHydro
06-07-2013, 15:45
Buprenorphine does not have any more unhealthy aspects to it than any other opioid, way to spread misinformation. Almost everything you stated that bupe does most other opiates do as well. Most opiates lessen the immune response, can decrease energy levels due to adrenal function. Most opiates can cause prolonged intercourse(which IMO is great for us men if you take advantage of it). Bupe is made from thebaine which tends to cause these types of opioids to be "speedy". Bupe has been around since early 70's as part of the Bentley compounds and has been studied extensively.

hangyourhead
06-07-2013, 17:39
I'm not saying it's more unhealthy than other opioids, but it's effects are not as EXTENSIVELY studied as Methadone or MMT. It's not misinformation actually, I was speaking on my own extensive experience with it and the experiences friends and other people have told me about, that were similar to mine, if not almost identical. I feel like those that are looking into the pros and cons of bupe maintenance may want to take my issues with long-term bupe ORT into consideration before that make their decision. I know I would've like to have known these things were going to happen to me before I put myself onto the powerful partial agonist buprenorphine (tends to be Suboxone which is bupe with naloxone which is not so great on the liver as you may know). I would've never allowed that "Addiction Specialist" to keep me on the shit for over year. Never once did the Sub doc lower the dosage from 2 x 8mg Suboxone strip daily, they just wanna keep you coming and keep fattening their salaries. Did my own research and realized that a quarter of a single 8mg strip (2mg) was just as effective as the whole 8mg strip. The "Less is more" proposal of Suboxone having more full-agonist-like properties at doses <2mg; better analgesia, moodlift/antidpressant effects which can be beneficial to those trying to keep their mind of their opioid drug of choice, as WDs bring on a depressed mindset even if no physical WDs are present.

Like many other men, I also enjoy the longevity opioids can provide during sex.... but I meant that I could go for 2 to 3 hours straight with no ejaculation/climax, which ruins the concept of having sex. A lot of my friends said the same damn thing. I can bust a nut on heroin, morphine, oxycodone (thebaine derived opioid with stimulant effects, oh yeah and doesn't keep me up all night like some dose of shitty stimulant or amphetamine like bupe), ect. just fine BUT NOT BUPE. Suboxone also made my hands unsteady and this went away after I kicked the stuff. It just overall felt like my nerves were bad.

I am aware buprenorphine derives from thebaine, such as oxycodone which is a much cleaner opioid IMO. I'm not spreading misinformation, way to go on being ignorant StartedHydro!