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doc777
03-12-2012, 03:56
Hello, I understand the legal section is closed to new posts so I figured this would be the best place to post this question. It is my understanding that once someone gets in trouble and agrees to cooperate with law enforcement that he or she would be required to do controlled buys where the CI is searched both before and after the buy takes place. Would it be foolish to assume that he or she is forbidden to use drugs of any kind during the buy? Wouldnt that hurt the CIs integrity? Furthermore, I have heard of people using RF detectors and what not to see if someone is wearing some type of transmitting device but with all the cell phones and RF signals everywhere I would think there would be a ton of false positives. This leaves the person using the product in front of you as the only way to be sure that you are not the victim of a controlled buy. Any opinions ideas or experiences would be appreciated.

motherofearth
03-12-2012, 03:59
I know undercover officers are allowed to use drugs when on a job.... so it wouldn't surprise me if someone outside of the payroll was allowed as well.

Johnny blue
03-12-2012, 03:59
I think it's safe to assume that CIs still use. Many get paid for being the filthy soulless beings that they are and let's face it the cops don't really give a shit about them, they just want to get further up the ladder to the big bust.

NeighborhoodThreat
03-12-2012, 04:18
CIs can certainly use. CIs (snitches, informants, etc) aren't even cops in the first place. And Johnny blue is right the cops don't give a shit about them either.

nowdubnvr6
03-12-2012, 04:33
Yea they definitely can use. The guy that wore a wire on me did a shot in the car with me.

Welderman
03-12-2012, 04:44
A guy I knew made controlled buys at a few houses. Not only did he use while making the buys he bought his dope with the money that the cops gave him. Of course to do that he inflated the prices the cops paid. As far as I know he did not get put on the official police reports and did not have to go to court.(this is what he told me so I don't really know) doing this got his charges dropped. I don't agree with what he had done, and I no longer have any contact with him.

So to answer your question I would say yes they can use.

RedRum OG
03-12-2012, 04:58
Every story I've heard about some douchebag messing up the flow, the said douche CI was always a user.

Users know the most people cops want

Johnny blue
03-12-2012, 05:08
Of course. It's why cops bother users at all. These aren't just squares picked off the street. Cops want people like us to get to our dealers because we have reliable dealers that operate in closed circles.

doc777
03-12-2012, 05:28
Of course. It's why cops bother users at all. These aren't just squares picked off the street. Cops want people like us to get to our dealers because we have reliable dealers that operate in closed circles.

I understand that CIs can be drug users but what I am referring to specifically is CAN CIs ACTUALLY USE THE DRUGS THAT THEY ARE BUYING DURING THE CONTROLLED BUY? The reason I think this is totally questionable is because the purpose of a controlled buy is to basically stage an illegal act to occur under police supervision with all other things being legal. In other words I heard a few of you say that a guy did a shot in the car while doing a controlled buy. Wouldnt that case be totally beatable? I mean the evidence they have shows the guy using drugs which would in turn cause him to cease to be a credible witness. Secondly, the guy that did controlled buys at several houses and inflated prices so that he could get high using the law enforcement $, wouldnt they know what the hell he is doing since they have him on audio and or video? For those of you that had experiences where you were the victim of a controlled buy could u please explain to me in detail what happened during the buy, and what kind of punishment did u receive. I would think if you tried to fight it and they were forced to bring in the evidence the evidence would show that the controlled buy was not really controlled at all, especially if they have the star witness getting high when he is on the job working for police.

chinky
03-12-2012, 06:52
so doc are you the snitch or the the perosn getting snitched on and tryin to figure out who the snitch might be?

ive been snitched on and know a few other peoiple who have too and they got my case barley and if i didnt get popped 5months before and loose 8k cash in the process i would hjave fought it more,and prolly beat it in trial but the guy snitching just happened to be a passenger in the car of a person ive known for ever and i was offerned this "friend" but i didnt know them and said no,,and yeah they just were in the car and ended up taking me and taking my girl who drove down

the same guy took another perosn down but did it with the actual narc with him in the car..basucakky he was friends with this guy who wanst even a dearler just someone who knew people to get drugs and this guy wanted a ball of coke and he showed up with "his uncle" and then a couple days later his unclke loved the coke supposedly and wanted a quarter of it so he doesnt have to keep comint back and my friend figured he get a half and tax the guy and get his cheap and and when the guy showed up with his uncle again and was waiting for him to drop it off in the parking lot...the police knew what car he was driving and knew the meeting so they just pulled him over for a normal traffic stop and BOOM guy got fucked over..lucky first arrest for anything and ended with 200hrs of community service, drug rehab/school and 2years probation (the perks of being a white kid in the burbs with no priors)

and roughly the same shit happened with these other kids i know who used to sell for me but i ended up cutting them off cause they were dealing with too many kids in highschool and they wernt really friends with the kids and they were just too young and i didnt trust them..but they weere making alot of money off the highschoolers cause the one kids gf little brother was in highschool and he was the middleman basically and sure enough a kid showed up with his "older brother" and they picked up 2 oz after pickin up a few other times before that and when they were leaving the older brother told them that hes getting ready to go back to school and is thinking about bringing a QP maybe more if he can get the money raised from his buddy and asked it they had that much cause he might be back that day or tomorrow..and the idiots go "oh yeah we got that all day no problem, and pulled out a bag that had like a half pound or so in it and showed it to the "older brother"...well thye leave and not more then 10mins go by and the one kid is looking out his window cause he was waiting for other people to stop by when he sees like 5 crown vics all tinted roll up and he called down to his buddy and throws him the bag and says run the cops are here and his friend was able to run out the back door and hop a fence and get away while they were still approaching the house with the half/fullpound that they had...the cops were pissed and i guess tore the kids house apart looking and couldnt find it but they still got fucked cause they sold to the cops personally and hand to hand

to go further that story what the cops didnt know is on the street behind that kid we know a couple people who live on that block and our one friend just happened to be outside washing his car with another friend just watching him and my buddy i guess comes flying over the fence and hes like "what the fuck" and he told them how the cops just raided "so and so" house and how hes got the weight with him and so my friend who was washing the car took the bag and while he went to hide it in his house our other friend told him to hop in his car and they just drove away..and 5mins later the cops ended up hoppin the fence cause they figured the kid ran cause the kid and weed was gone and they seen it 10mins before that and they just walked threw the local backyards and went up to my buddy who was back washing the car and he just told them some kid with a backpack came flyin over the fence and just took off running down the streett and then it loooked like he cut into someone backyard and the cops just radioed it and cop cars just were all over the neighborhood for at least an hour..the whole time the kid that ran and the kid that drove away went on a highride and smoked a few blunts and laughed about it

the kid that ran ended up havin a warrent put out and got arrested and charged but only for the 2 OZs plus a couple smaller bags that i guess they bought during the week before that and i know my buddy who hid the weed for him..took like an oz or 2 and they never said anything about it to him, i dont even think they realized it was missing..but i know we smoked that weed for a few weeks after that...that happened like 2months bnefore i got piopped and i swore it was them who told on me and got the watching me but then i found out a week after i got popped that the kid with the coke got popped and my ex who was the one that had the kid in her car all got popped, that i realized it was that kid..and i found out that kid had gotton arrestedwith a 8th of weed, a fuckin misty, and he snoitched on all of us just to get out of his little bullshit

Captain.Heroin
03-12-2012, 11:05
so doc are you the snitch or the the perosn getting snitched on and tryin to figure out who the snitch might be?

They could be a dealer, and wondering if forcing their potential customers into doing some of the product automatically proves they are not cops. *shrugs*

crimsonjunk
03-12-2012, 20:32
Dude I was in rehab with got popped for selling ten MS contin morphine pills to some kid wearing a wire. Well the kid only turned 8 into his police handlers and said he dropped the other 2 dowen a drain. This was actually written in the court papers the kid showed me. My mind was just blown. Kid ended up doing a five year stretch over it.

MemphisX3
03-12-2012, 20:45
Dude I was in rehab with got popped for selling ten MS contin morphine pills to some kid wearing a wire. Well the kid only turned 8 into his police handlers and said he dropped the other 2 dowen a drain. This was actually written in the court papers the kid showed me. My mind was just blown. Kid ended up doing a five year stretch over it.

you have got to be one dumb mother fucker to try to pull that shit.


i mean, i wonder if he honestly thought that was gonna fly...

doc777
03-12-2012, 21:29
so doc are you the snitch or the the perosn getting snitched on and tryin to figure out who the snitch might be?

ive been snitched on and know a few other peoiple who have too and they got my case barley and if i didnt get popped 5months before and loose 8k cash in the process i would hjave fought it more,and prolly beat it in trial but the guy snitching just happened to be a passenger in the car of a person ive known for ever and i was offerned this "friend" but i didnt know them and said no,,and yeah they just were in the car and ended up taking me and taking my girl who drove down

the same guy took another perosn down but did it with the actual narc with him in the car..basucakky he was friends with this guy who wanst even a dearler just someone who knew people to get drugs and this guy wanted a ball of coke and he showed up with "his uncle" and then a couple days later his unclke loved the coke supposedly and wanted a quarter of it so he doesnt have to keep comint back and my friend figured he get a half and tax the guy and get his cheap and and when the guy showed up with his uncle again and was waiting for him to drop it off in the parking lot...the police knew what car he was driving and knew the meeting so they just pulled him over for a normal traffic stop and BOOM guy got fucked over..lucky first arrest for anything and ended with 200hrs of community service, drug rehab/school and 2years probation (the perks of being a white kid in the burbs with no priors)

and roughly the same shit happened with these other kids i know who used to sell for me but i ended up cutting them off cause they were dealing with too many kids in highschool and they wernt really friends with the kids and they were just too young and i didnt trust them..but they weere making alot of money off the highschoolers cause the one kids gf little brother was in highschool and he was the middleman basically and sure enough a kid showed up with his "older brother" and they picked up 2 oz after pickin up a few other times before that and when they were leaving the older brother told them that hes getting ready to go back to school and is thinking about bringing a QP maybe more if he can get the money raised from his buddy and asked it they had that much cause he might be back that day or tomorrow..and the idiots go "oh yeah we got that all day no problem, and pulled out a bag that had like a half pound or so in it and showed it to the "older brother"...well thye leave and not more then 10mins go by and the one kid is looking out his window cause he was waiting for other people to stop by when he sees like 5 crown vics all tinted roll up and he called down to his buddy and throws him the bag and says run the cops are here and his friend was able to run out the back door and hop a fence and get away while they were still approaching the house with the half/fullpound that they had...the cops were pissed and i guess tore the kids house apart looking and couldnt find it but they still got fucked cause they sold to the cops personally and hand to hand

to go further that story what the cops didnt know is on the street behind that kid we know a couple people who live on that block and our one friend just happened to be outside washing his car with another friend just watching him and my buddy i guess comes flying over the fence and hes like "what the fuck" and he told them how the cops just raided "so and so" house and how hes got the weight with him and so my friend who was washing the car took the bag and while he went to hide it in his house our other friend told him to hop in his car and they just drove away..and 5mins later the cops ended up hoppin the fence cause they figured the kid ran cause the kid and weed was gone and they seen it 10mins before that and they just walked threw the local backyards and went up to my buddy who was back washing the car and he just told them some kid with a backpack came flyin over the fence and just took off running down the streett and then it loooked like he cut into someone backyard and the cops just radioed it and cop cars just were all over the neighborhood for at least an hour..the whole time the kid that ran and the kid that drove away went on a highride and smoked a few blunts and laughed about it

the kid that ran ended up havin a warrent put out and got arrested and charged but only for the 2 OZs plus a couple smaller bags that i guess they bought during the week before that and i know my buddy who hid the weed for him..took like an oz or 2 and they never said anything about it to him, i dont even think they realized it was missing..but i know we smoked that weed for a few weeks after that...that happened like 2months bnefore i got piopped and i swore it was them who told on me and got the watching me but then i found out a week after i got popped that the kid with the coke got popped and my ex who was the one that had the kid in her car all got popped, that i realized it was that kid..and i found out that kid had gotton arrestedwith a 8th of weed, a fuckin misty, and he snoitched on all of us just to get out of his little bullshit

Chinky I dont know what but ever since I joined this forum you have given me a hard time. Obviously I am not the snitch or I would know the answers to these questions. I have a friend that caught a case cuz a guy that used to buy regularly from him but stopped for a month or so suddenly showed up at his house wanting to buy a nickel A NICKEL?? which was very weird. So he got it ready for him, and asked if he wanted to do it there since he would always do it there, but this time he said no cuz he said he was splitting it with someone. WHO SPLITS A NICKEL?? This was red flag #2, so he asked who he was splitting it with and if he could call him and verify, he called twice no answer and the third the dude hit ignore, and we all know anybody who is waiting for their fix isnt going to that. So my buddy just said dude u are giving me a bad feeling here is your $ back plus like $15 and get the fuck out. The guy made a big fuss but left. So my guy basically got rid of all that he had and the cops were came in within 15 min of him getting rid of it, They arrested him on paraphenalia and the police report said that they went in because they were worried that since he was spooked that he may get rid of the evidence. This whole experience led me to believe that when a CI is doing a controlled buy he CANNOT use drugs as that it and of itself is a totally separate illegal act, and the whole purpose of a controlled buy is to allow an illegal act to take place for the purpose of gathering evidence with all other factors being controlled. So based on all that I have said, is there anything that somebody can do to prevent a controlled buy from taking place? Would an RF detector help? I also heard that if they front the $ our for over an hour that that is another thing that cops really dont feel comfortable doing? Again experiences and opinons would be helpful.

Captain.Heroin
03-12-2012, 21:35
Chinky I dont know what but ever since I joined this forum you have given me a hard time. Obviously I am not the snitch or I would know the answers to these questions. I have a friend that caught a case cuz a guy that used to buy regularly from him but stopped for a month or so suddenly showed up at his house wanting to buy a nickel A NICKEL?? which was very weird. So he got it ready for him, and asked if he wanted to do it there since he would always do it there, but this time he said no cuz he said he was splitting it with someone. WHO SPLITS A NICKEL?? This was red flag #2, so he asked who he was splitting it with and if he could call him and verify, he called twice no answer and the third the dude hit ignore, and we all know anybody who is waiting for their fix isnt going to that. So my buddy just said dude u are giving me a bad feeling here is your $ back plus like $15 and get the fuck out. The guy made a big fuss but left. So my guy basically got rid of all that he had and the cops were came in within 15 min of him getting rid of it, They arrested him on paraphenalia and the police report said that they went in because they were worried that since he was spooked that he may get rid of the evidence. This whole experience led me to believe that when a CI is doing a controlled buy he CANNOT use drugs as that it and of itself is a totally separate illegal act, and the whole purpose of a controlled buy is to allow an illegal act to take place for the purpose of gathering evidence with all other factors being controlled. So based on all that I have said, is there anything that somebody can do to prevent a controlled buy from taking place? Would an RF detector help? I also heard that if they front the $ our for over an hour that that is another thing that cops really dont feel comfortable doing? Again experiences and opinons would be helpful.

This is an absurd amount of over-thinking a very simple idea. If you don't want to go to jail for cannabis, don't live in a state that explicitly says you cannot use it? Just my 2 cents.

MemphisX3
03-12-2012, 22:05
This is an absurd amount of over-thinking a very simple idea. If you don't want to go to jail for cannabis, don't live in a state that explicitly says you cannot use it? Just my 2 cents.

yeah, because there are plenty of americans who can just up and move their entire life for the lone purpose of being able to smoke marijuana with no legal repurcussions...8)

doc777
04-12-2012, 02:59
Who the hell said we were even talking about weed??

Johnny blue
04-12-2012, 03:13
No one. Technically this one has been answered but, I think it might be interesting to leave it open so people can share stories about CIs. Play nice

Lilunwell
04-12-2012, 03:23
I was set up about 5 years ago selling coke to a guy I knew for 25 years. He got introuble for stealing and turned into a CI. He used right along beside me. So yes a CI can and will use in order to get him in less trouble. Pretty much bs in my eyes. But it's true. This was in ohio for the record. I don't know if it varies state to state or not.

Welderman
04-12-2012, 04:27
If you take it to court and the cops say that the CI was doing drugs with the defendant it proves your guilt. Or the cops say " to our knowledge the CI did not do drugs at the drug house" who is the judge going to believe? It is a corrupt system ruled by self serving powers that masturbate the law to fit their own perversions of it.
Who do you think the judge is going to believe?

I knew another guy that set up his friend for 1/4 oz of weed. They were buds for 25 or more years. I don't understand how you could do that to your life long friend. That's why you never sell to friends friends. Even then you never know.

Here is a quote I heard from someone " Snitches end up in ditches"

rexwayne
04-12-2012, 05:53
I don't know about all states, but a long time friend is a police officer in Texas. He used to be on the narc squad. I asked him this very question. He told me the way they do it with a controlled buy is they get the person to buy off the suspected dealer a bunch of times over a 2-3 month period. No audio or video recording. They report to the detectives before and after the buys and deliver the drugs. This over a few months time is enough for a search warrant. Like doors kicked in search at 5 in the morning kind of thing.

Anyways to answer your question yes. They can.

BlueHues
04-12-2012, 06:12
a cops not supposed to do drugs, but a CI, it doesnt matter! I got set up and did 9 months years ago! It was a CI....From the time he did the "controlled buy" until the time I got busted was about 4 months! In thosse 4 months, the fuckin CI got me drugs and got high with me like 10 times....It's grimey, but some people only think about there own lives, not the lives they fuck up by rattin on people....I could see snitchin if you're looking at 20 years, but this bitch snitched on me just to avoid the felony! what a fuckin pussy!! Now it's on my record! What makes your life any more imporatant than mine? You wanna do felony drugs, expect felony charges, or stick to fuckin weed and booze!!!

HighonLife
04-12-2012, 07:20
This is an absurd amount of over-thinking a very simple idea. If you don't want to go to jail for cannabis, don't live in a state that explicitly says you cannot use it? Just my 2 cents.

over thinking?

dude says cops showed up 15 mins after kid left

sounds pretty logical to me

granted i took a few too many xanax n that 'paragraph' lost me a few times on the way but i dont see why u wouldnt be thinkin snitch when cops show up 15 minds later after a sketchy dude comes thru

i mean coincedences do happen but imo op has every right to be worried n very well should be, cops came to you for a reason, maybe you conduct sloppy business op maybe it was coincidence but yea be careful man

Bill
04-12-2012, 07:53
I know undercover officers are allowed to use drugs when on a job

I didn't know this
I always thought law enforcement, undercover or not, are forbidden to do drugs or take part in anything that's like a felony tier crime...

BlueHues
04-12-2012, 07:57
A cop technically can't...an informant can...thats not to say a cop won't...by the time it gets to court it's your word against theirs....who's the judge gonna believe>!

JunkieDays
04-12-2012, 16:48
A cop technically can't...an informant can...thats not to say a cop won't...by the time it gets to court it's your word against theirs....who's the judge gonna believe>!

I don't understand why everyone says "It's YOUR word against theirs"
In some cases, that may be true, however, there are lawyers and such, ya know?

crimsonjunk
04-12-2012, 19:36
I didn't know this
I always thought law enforcement, undercover or not, are forbidden to do drugs or take part in anything that's like a felony tier crime...

They can and will then in court they will either deny it strait up or hit the judge with some bullshit about faking drug abuse. Judges look the other way unless they have a compelling reason not too. And even if you got a great lawyer private detective combo and tripped them up into having to admit they used drugs so what? It doesnt change the fact that you are on tape or recording selling drugs.

doc777
09-12-2012, 11:57
Well i guess it does very state to state i had this guy ask his uncle who is a narc detective, he said That when a controlled buy is going down and they have video and or audio the ci is to discuss the amount that is being purchased and show up with that amount no more no less which is why he is searched before and after the controlled buy.

Boupstarnm
18-12-2012, 02:37
When cops wanted me to be a CI they specifically told me to 'keep using. Don't do anything different. If you get in trouble with the law just have them call us'. Or something along those lines. Not only can a CI do whatever but imo its encouraged.

BTW I never snitched, I got a lawyer and left the state. That was like 5 years ago...lol.

Edit: also they'll want at least 2 buys with a CI, most likely in a public place. That part is important, the detectives told me they didn't want to send me into a dangerous situation, so they really like parking lots/public places for buys.

Ugh bad memories. Someone snitched on me...it fucked up my whole life. I dropped out of university, quit my job, moved halfway across the country. I never got charged but damn that fucked my life up.

brutus
23-12-2012, 22:11
Edit: also they'll want at least 2 buys with a CI, most likely in a public place. That part is important, the detectives told me they didn't want to send me into a dangerous situation, so they really like parking lots/public places for buys.


I wouldn't say that was always the case though. The only time I know of a CI being used around here was in a really remote area, where every person there had a pistol on them. That guy really could have gotten shot especially since the dealer he got arrested killed someone a few months prior.

smokemctoke420
23-12-2012, 22:17
yes they can. this girl tried to set up my buddy just so they could look for someone to pop and the 2 kids were being bought pills by the cops to maintain their addictions the whole time. such a backwards and fucked up system. heres some drugs for ya, eat em up then sell some to this guy so we can bust him and you can keep getting your fix for free. so dumb

Johnny blue
24-12-2012, 20:58
I'm not so sure on that one. I know cops use CIs for all kinds of stuff but, it doesn't make much sense to set up customers who are on a lower rung of the ladder. I mean I guess maybe if they were buying huge quantity our the cops wanted them for something else but otherwise they only go up the ladder.

crimsonjunk
25-12-2012, 02:41
I'm not so sure on that one. I know cops use CIs for all kinds of stuff but, it doesn't make much sense to set up customers who are on a lower rung of the ladder. I mean I guess maybe if they were buying huge quantity our the cops wanted them for something else but otherwise they only go up the ladder.

In Birmingham the county is bankrupt so they like to bust white suburb kids for felony possesion take there car then milk them for money with fines and drug court BS.

brutus
25-12-2012, 13:59
^ Wouldn't that just cost more money? That logic doesn't quite add up.

Captain.Heroin
27-12-2012, 13:32
yeah, because there are plenty of americans who can just up and move their entire life for the lone purpose of being able to smoke marijuana with no legal repurcussions...8)

If you're unable to move for whatever reason, then you could become politically active and work hard towards changing your state laws. You can also talk to other people to encourage them to become active in reforming your state laws. It doesn't cost money to sign a petition or to write your local representatives.

crimsonjunk
27-12-2012, 17:02
^ Wouldn't that just cost more money? That logic doesn't quite add up.

How would that cost more money? The kids parents bail them out so no housing cost. The kids get private lawyers which brings money into the legal system. Then they plead to fines and probation which the county makes money off of. Plus the county gets to use the stats to say they are doing something about drug crime which makes them eligable for federal grants. Then of course they auction off the seized cars.

luckyshot04
27-12-2012, 19:11
I can add my two cents into this situation. My uncle was one of the biggest oxy dealers in my county for a couple years in the late 2000's....Needless to say, things didn't go well in the end. However, having your own family member 2 minutes down the road with an almost unlimited supply of OC's and Xanax=BAD!

His biggest downfall was his own use and that of his girlfriend's. Then, when oxy's switched and everyone jumped on Opana, things just got out of control. I

One lady that he shouldn't have fucked with ended his shit. I am almost certain that she didn't use, but they would've been too fucked up to probably even notice. I think they just had one audio and if she wanted to snort a pill, I don't think there would have been an issue.

I have still never seen anyone detox so bad. With all that dope and the three guns they didn't get charged with (They were in the house, not on his person, but still?), they both spent about a week in jail. One went to the local ICU and the other one was flown about 1 1/2 to the university hospital. My uncle was seizing for a couple hours, but he could still talk. Then his fucking eyes crossed and he went into a state of paranoia and had no clue who he was or where he was. When he got to the university hospital, they gave him some valium for his xanax withdrawl, which helped somewhat.

I mean, he was probably snorting 4-5 Opana 40's a day and eating who knows how many bars. The bad thing is after all their hospital shit, they didn't even have to go to jail. They both get drug court and he just pulled 30 days for lyrica and neurontin! Someone called in, this isn't even tested for. She had a baby with him, but they're with my mom now....Fucked up.

I know I went off topic, but the lady that ratted on him got a DUI not even a week later. She brought down the biggest middleman in our county and gets a DUI a week later....jail time after that. It helped her case none! Remember that.

'medicine cabinet'
27-12-2012, 19:55
they can do whatever they want to make a case. line of coke here, a little weed there. cant see too many doin speedballs bc the not knowing how to inject might be a giveaway hah. they will make a few suveiled buys and who knows maybe they let the punk snitch have some, but they need it for evidence to get an search warrent or i gueses an arrest warrant so that the next time they do biz, delta force comes out of knowwhere screaming and pointing guns and breaking doors. it sucks. the CI would probably be able to to whatever to gain your trust. Same for a cop. In theur minds they are just doing their job. But some seem to enjoy it more than others, fuckers.

i bet the more info these rats give out the more drugs they get to do lol

Hypnotiq420
12-04-2013, 05:22
I figured this post would be best place to post this question question regarding my situation. I was recently caught with stuff and they are using a ton of CI's I understand its a very grey area when it comes to the legal area especially when people are using voice contact as well. What happens if after the threat of charging my girlfriend they turn her into one too. Im basically screwed. How should I act if I suspect this and what happens on the legal side? as far as the validity of the information they provide.. Isnt anything she asks me entrapment?

Tommyboy
12-04-2013, 05:29
I figured this post would be best place to post this question question regarding my situation. I was recently caught with stuff and they are using a ton of CI's I understand its a very grey area when it comes to the legal area especially when people are using voice contact as well. What happens if after the threat of charging my girlfriend they turn her into one too. Im basically screwed. How should I act if I suspect this and what happens on the legal side? as far as the validity of the information they provide.. Isnt anything she asks me entrapment?

So a C.I got your girlfriend busted and now you think that she may have become one to get her sentence lessened and that you may be a potential target? That's pretty shitty if you think your girlfriend would do that to you, and there are some obvious trust issues between the two of you. Unless you are a 'bigger fish' then I wouldn't worry much, but to answer your question, no I don't think that you could claim entrapment if you caught a charge from her getting drugs though you.

I take entrapment to mean that the person is asking you to do something illegal that you would otherwise never do. But if it's something that you would normally do, or something similar but with a larger quantity then that's not entrapment.

For small cases they usually don't have a C.I. go through the trouble of wearing a wire to record a deal. Most of the time they would have the C.I. set up the drug deal in a public place, and then take you down when you showed up there with the drugs on you. But if they aren't "working their way up the ladder" so to speak, you probably don't have anything to worry about.

JunkieDays
12-04-2013, 05:45
I figured this post would be best place to post this question question regarding my situation. I was recently caught with stuff and they are using a ton of CI's I understand its a very grey area when it comes to the legal area especially when people are using voice contact as well. What happens if after the threat of charging my girlfriend they turn her into one too. Im basically screwed. How should I act if I suspect this and what happens on the legal side? as far as the validity of the information they provide.. Isnt anything she asks me entrapment?


if your girlfriend would do that to you then you need to kick her to the curb and get your priorities straight.

HighonLife
12-04-2013, 07:54
I know undercover officers are allowed to use drugs when on a job.... so it wouldn't surprise me if someone outside of the payroll was allowed as well.

so the thread is pretty clear confidential informants can use drugs

n these people arent legitimately on the police payroll

this person is the only one to address this idea n as i reread over the thread its what i was wondering about, i know this is an old thread but are you certain of that motherofearth? does anyone else know one way or the other? im not tryin to be rude but this is what im most curious n and i just feel like actual cops whether undercover or not are suppossed to use drugs. im sittin here thinkin bout it now i guess ive seen like shows on tv (biker/drug doc i cant remember much about comes to mind)where the undercover cop kinda got caught up in the drug use but it didnt say he got introuble if i remember but it also didnt seem condoned

thinkin about it i guess maybe its one of those things where it "cant" go on but it does, maybe a good lawyer could get shit thrown out or something but they'll still arrest you and make you try n see if the judge will throw it out cuz the cop was in the wrong

or maybe its an outright yes or no

i was just more curious bout this part of the question, anyone got any input/info/knowledge you wanna indulge my curiousity with?

much appreciated

JunkieDays
12-04-2013, 15:12
so the thread is pretty clear confidential informants can use drugs

n these people arent legitimately on the police payroll

this person is the only one to address this idea n as i reread over the thread its what i was wondering about, i know this is an old thread but are you certain of that motherofearth? does anyone else know one way or the other? im not tryin to be rude but this is what im most curious n and i just feel like actual cops whether undercover or not are suppossed to use drugs. im sittin here thinkin bout it now i guess ive seen like shows on tv (biker/drug doc i cant remember much about comes to mind)where the undercover cop kinda got caught up in the drug use but it didnt say he got introuble if i remember but it also didnt seem condoned

thinkin about it i guess maybe its one of those things where it "cant" go on but it does, maybe a good lawyer could get shit thrown out or something but they'll still arrest you and make you try n see if the judge will throw it out cuz the cop was in the wrong

or maybe its an outright yes or no

i was just more curious bout this part of the question, anyone got any input/info/knowledge you wanna indulge my curiousity with?

much appreciated

Undercovers are definitely not allowed to partake in drug use while on the job. However, it happens from time to time.
You think an undercover is going to turn down a line while faced with 10 other biker brothers in the room? Fuck no. He's going to do the line and lie about it in the police report later on.

Bob Loblaw
12-04-2013, 18:43
Edit: also they'll want at least 2 buys with a CI, most likely in a public place. That part is important, the detectives told me they didn't want to send me into a dangerous situation, so they really like parking lots/public places for buys.

Ugh bad memories. Someone snitched on me...it fucked up my whole life. I dropped out of university, quit my job, moved halfway across the country. I never got charged but damn that fucked my life up.

I got to see the search warrant from when one of my dealers got busted, and the officer described the process used to obtain probable cause. It was pretty interesting, and it mentioned how their CI worked. They met with the cops, got searched & come up clean, got followed to the dealer's house (where he was selling out of), came out, got followed somewhere, then got searched & had drugs. They did it a few times before finding which hotel he had moved to & then asking for a warrant on his room :(. So IMO it's more important to have a place that is normal & makes the dealer commfortable than a public one.

Tommyboy
13-04-2013, 07:19
Undercovers are definitely not allowed to partake in drug use while on the job. However, it happens from time to time.
You think an undercover is going to turn down a line while faced with 10 other biker brothers in the room? Fuck no. He's going to do the line and lie about it in the police report later on.

Either that or be honest that they had to do the drugs so that their cover wasn't blown which may have led to them being hurt or murdered. I'm sure that they are told that if it comes down to it they can use if it's going to keep them from getting killed, but after that they would probably get pulled from the investigation. I could just never see them telling under-covers that they can get high to be less suspicious.

bagochina
13-04-2013, 10:00
The only thing That comes to mind when I look at this thread is that book/movie, Rush written by Kim wozencraft. True'ish story.

This raw, frighteningly realistic novel takes us to the explosive front lines of the drug war. Kristin Cates, former Catholic schoolgirl turned narc, is herself turning into an addict. Slowly drowning in the ugly world of the junkie, she makes a bogus case against a businessman and soon finds herself the target of a murderer.

OpiateGuy
13-04-2013, 18:51
Undercover cops can't use (but they are good actors so you REALLY need to watch closely as they do the drugs because they have a lot of tricks to make it look like theyre doing it, but really are just pushing it off the table or whatever) however CIs can and DO use. Most CIs have habits and either want to stay out of jail or need the $$ to support their habit and become a professional snitch.. And a CI doesn't need a wire or anything when making controlled buys to get a warrant. If they come and make 3 separate purchases of any narcotics from you (especially if its in the same location, ie. a house, apt, traphouse, etc) then they will have enough to get a warrant to come raid you.

HighonLife
14-04-2013, 05:07
This raw, frighteningly realistic novel takes us to the explosive front lines of the drug war. Kristin Cates, former Catholic schoolgirl turned narc, is herself turning into an addict. Slowly drowning in the ugly world of the junkie, she makes a bogus case against a businessman and soon finds herself the target of a murderer.

that sounds like you ripped it straight off the back of the book/movie case

JunkieDays
14-04-2013, 06:16
He did.

Welderman
14-04-2013, 14:05
Rush was a good movie I didn't know it was based off a book.