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psytaco
07-10-2012, 07:52
I have been given some phenibut by a friend who claims that it has great nootropic effects and reduces anxiety and helps sleep.

I just wanted a bit more info on it, as I know literally nothing about it at the moment. He seems to think that a good dose is 2/3 of a teaspoon. is this a good dose? the last thing I want to do is overdose on it. the wikipedia entry on it says doseages vary from 400mg to 1200mg. But to be honest, wikipedia is pretty light on info.

So far I know that it works on GABA. Which leads to me to think that it may potentially be addictive as benzos are. I have had problems in the past with benzo addiction, so will steer clear of it if this is the case. Is Phenibut addictive?

Also, who has used it? How functional is it? Does it generally improve cognitive functioning and the like?

My friend also seems to think it is completely legal in Australia. Is this the case?

Any other info would be much appreciated.

Black Rabbit of Inle
07-10-2012, 09:01
According to the Erowid vault,


Phenibut is sold as a nutritional supplement within the United States, and in Russia it is prescribed for its anxiolytic and sedative effects. Phenibut is used to help stabilize mood and as a sleep aid. It has a long half-life.

Doses vary from less than 500 mg to 4 grams. Sometimes additional redosing is conducted.

Side effects can include headache. At higher doses, blurred vision or nystagmus, lack of coordination, depressed respiration, nausea, memory loss ("blacking out"), and hangover have been reported. Tolerance develops rapidly. Rebound anxiety can develop after 2-3 days of use.

Withdrawal symptoms after abrupt discontinuation of phenibut use are commonly reported, often characterized by restless anxiety, reduced sleep quality, and free-floating anxiety.

[ Main Phenibut Vault (http://www.erowid.org/smarts/phenibut/phenibut.shtml) ]


It is not regulated in Australia as far as I know.

indybreaker
08-10-2012, 07:36
just dont do what i did and drank 9-12gm worth of the shit , u will be high for 3 days!
got mine from http://www.phenibut.org/where-to-buy-phenibut-online/

Jakeperson
09-10-2012, 13:02
So far I know that it works on GABA. Which leads to me to think that it may potentially be addictive as benzos are. I have had problems in the past with benzo addiction, so will steer clear of it if this is the case. Is Phenibut addictive?

Yes, very. Aaaaaand the withdrawal profile is very similar to benzos. Not really worth it, I mean its fucking awesome for anxiety and potentiation but the eventual side effects are quite likely to catch up with you. Also, if you do get some, it lasts a long time. Daily dosing is unnecessary if you have no tolerance.

It's not techniquely legal but I highly doubt any one has ever had any trouble with the AFP from it. It's a grey-area nootropic.

Oh yeah and it's extremely functional, more so than any other GABA drug I have sampled.

psytaco
09-10-2012, 13:15
Yeah the more I read about it the more hesitant I am. I just got over a period of benzo withdrawal so I am going to wait a little while before I take this. The last thing I want is to kick the withdrawal in again (as some of you know benzo withdrawal is fucking horrid).

Jakeperson
09-10-2012, 14:18
I dont find that I suffer much anxiety from benzo withdrawal itself (as in no more than normal), Phenibuts withdrawal anxiety reminds me about everything I have heard on GHB/GBL withdrawal.

Wise decision, the benefits of using Phenibut properly are definitely there but I wouldn't consider it worth the risk with previous GABA dependencies or an addictive personality AKA Bluelighter.

bunnymunro
11-10-2012, 06:52
Found it invaluable for giving up G habit...would calm me down when things got a too "shaky" for my liking... that said,only would take it when I really got uncomfortable...

Jakeperson
11-10-2012, 08:17
I have used it for an inexpensive benzo taper too, wasn't the best for it but it did the job.

psytaco
14-10-2012, 09:05
have tried about 2g over the course of 4 hours. can't say it is really doing much but it has lessened the anxiety i was feeling earlier today

the_ketaman
14-10-2012, 09:25
A close friend(now unfortunately deceased) gave me some phenibut a few years ago and I remember it being great for anxiety. I have been thinkking of ordering some myself because I had a massive anxiety attack at work today and it was one of the most uncomfortable things ive ever been through and no doctor around here would prescribe me benzo's even though ive suffered from chronic anxiety, panic and OCD since I was about 12. All they ever do is dish out seroquel which I might add can cause sudden death especially in patients also on methadone(I was on both for around 2 years!). If your on Seroquel make sure you read into all the possible side effects because I dont think many doctors realize how harmful it can be.

But onto the topic of Phenibut I know it can cause some terrible withdrawals but I remember reading they dont last anywhere near as long as benzo withdrawals. As an availablle substance it shouldnt be too hard to do a taper though, you just need to be responsible.

psytaco
14-10-2012, 10:01
But onto the topic of Phenibut I know it can cause some terrible withdrawals but I remember reading they dont last anywhere near as long as benzo withdrawals. As an availablle substance it shouldnt be too hard to do a taper though, you just need to be responsible.

Yeah that is something that I have to be really careful about. As of three weeks ago I went through benzo withdrawal, so I might still be in the danger zone of becoming quickly dependent again. Had alot to drink on friday night, had 1mg xanax yesterday and today the phenibut, so I need to lay off the GABA drugs for a week or so.

I can't say the 2grams has really done much in terms of recreational value but it certainly has made me feel alot happier and has pretty much elminated the anxiousness I was feeling today.

Meat Bag
15-10-2012, 19:10
God damn it, why are you taking such big doses?
Phenibut can cause fatty liver in dosage over 7g. And it may be (and possibly is) hepatotoxic in dosage over 1g.
Phenibut does not have GABA-a activity in therapeutic dose, and therapeutic dose is 250-500 mg. Recommended maximum single dose is 750 mg.
The best anti-anxiety regimen is 250 mg 3 times a day for 2, maximum 3 weeks. With this regimen you don't need to taper it off and it does not cause much GABA downregulation.
I think phenibut is the best anti-anxiety drug. Ever. But you need to treat it with respect. Like all the psychoactives, I think. :)

bloodymary
15-10-2012, 20:49
OMG stay away from Phenibut, i ordered some online due to reading it on forums being an alternative to benzodiazepines without physical withdrawals or negative side effects.

They come in these form of capsules with white powder inside, they were opened and inspected by customs and let through, i've read online it was illegal, in the USA

It's a supplement, love the USA and the people there such a wonderful country, where concrete jungles are made of lolz and in Russia you can buy them over the counter.

Im an individual suffering from ADHD, been trying my best to stay on low doses at 2x 5mgs in the morning then in about late afternoon 2x 5mgs.

I've found through the years of using dexamphetamine for my ADHD the effectiveness of this drug is diminishing and i sometimes do need to take extra in

order for me to focus and help my mother. Well i was hospitalisted over the weekend due to taking 4 phenibut along with my dexamphetamine,

i've been prescribed valium for my anxiety but my doc is reluctant to prescribed them to me, and due to withdrawal symptoms i haven't been back to my psychiatrist

which will prescribed them to me if i request it due to the anxiety i experience as a result of the natural side effects of the dexamphetamine. Never did i know Phenibut

would cause severe intense withdrawals, i experienced tremors, anxiety attacks that felt almost like an heart attack, which i never experience on benzodiazepines

withdrawals throughout my whole life. So i drove my self to the hospital without calling 000 due to not wanting to alert my mum to get worried since she is suffering

from anxiety disorder which is also prescribed on benzo Xanax, who suffered from cancer and has finally won the battle. I've been by her side literally helping her for

the past 2 years. They seriously need to make phenibut illegal as it's legal to buy online and not regulated in Australia. Luckily As i'm typing this message my withdrawals

from Phenibut has finally subsided. Though i needed to have taken a few valium for the past 2 days.

oh the dosages for phenibut was 4 x 750ml and they are in these dodgy capsules. I suggest everyone steer clear away from them.

I'd rather be prescribed on valium, even though i have to go back to my psychiatrist and pay a hefty fee.

I just don't get why it's not regulated while normal doctors are so reluctant to prescribe you benzos when you have a disorder and are in need of them.

So the psychiatrist can make money? i assume? not sure just my thinking

Anyways time for an individual like me to sleep, as my add is now kicking back in while i'm completely going into coma mode, and when i'm awake tomorrow i will need to be back on my add meds to function as a normal human being and help my mother at home.

Oh and i also will crash my car if i don't take my add meds for those that don't understand this disorder, i've been told that i'm being slack or something is wrong with me my whole life, for those that assume this, i'm so sick of your judgements, you won't understand how an disorder feels like unless you have one yourself. So please be more considerate. anyways listern to my advice don't take phenibut. thankyou.

And i've been so stressful due to the situation i'm in, i have to constantly tell lies to my friends that i'm either studying or going on holidays or working to avoid being embarassed or my friends getting worried of my well being and most of all my mums past condition, i feel like this is the only site i can express my feelings and be anonymous here. thankyou and yes please stay away from that phenibut.

And the only time i ever do hang out with friends are past night time, after extremely stressful day, constantly lying to them and avoiding them, when in reality i'm either at home helping my mum with the occasion weekends or weekdays free night time i get, and if my add doesn't get the best of me and the dexies not wearing off, i do get the occasion to hang out with a friend which is so sad. Seriously

and the only time i can hang out with a friend i over did the dexies so i can stay awake and focus while completely ignoring that i've overdosed on my dexies thus sending me to the ER the following night from lack of sleep, i've lost count on how much dexies i've tooken but 4 phenibuts were tooken along with it don't know if it could be the phenibut, or the combination of both and as soon as i was called by my mother, realizing she could find out i have overdosed on them and worry about her anxiety kicking in, i've requested to sign myself out of the hospital disregarding my life even though under constant advice and refusal by doctors and nurses. Now talking about it my anxiety attack comes back on and i can't even sleep looking at the watch is 3.45am now. but i feel like this is the only way i can express myself and not to a friend which may worry them and make them depress. So sorry for all these ranting on and on about my personal issues. Just need to get all these feelings out

footscrazy
16-10-2012, 08:56
bloodymary, I've merged seven consecutive posts of yours into one post.

In future, please don't post multiple posts in a row like that. Click the 'EDIT' button on the bottom right of your post, and add your new thought into your existing post.

psytaco
17-10-2012, 09:47
Can phenibut be safely mixed with xanax? I am expecting a bit of a comedown on sunday from MDMA and was wondering if it was safe to use the two together. I don't want to run the risk of respiratory depression aka death.....

Only have 1mg of xanax which isn't going to touch the sides of the comedown too much for me

bloodymary
19-10-2012, 17:43
I highly suggest you don't mix a downer with another downer, that's how most respiratory depression occur, from mixing different types of downers together could be a lethal cocktail, many people have died consuming opiates with benzos or alcohol. I've read this information on the internet, so just take the xanax alone should ease the mdma comedown i think never tooken mdma in my life before but i suppose it would be similar to my adhd medication, which i also think.

After being hospitalised for phenibut myself with dexamphetamine consumption, i highly recommend you steer clear away from mixing different types of downers or uppers together, unless in low doses, i for sure know for a fact that mixing dexamphetamine with valium is fine for the valium to counteract some of the negative side effects dexamphetamine produces on a regular basis and it's been prescribed to me by a psychiatrist and my GP,

and personally i do this everyday with no life threatening complications. As i'm typing my dexamphetamine is wearing off and losing focus, heard from my psychaitrist if i remembered most dexamphetamine could be described daily is 50mg but i seriuosly don't want to be on that big of a dose daily, tolerance issue and also what happens if i'm on to my maximum prescribed dosage and i've built an enough tolerance to it for it not to work that scares

me, i still remember the day i was prescribed dexamphetamine was only on 5mg twice a day only needed 1 5mg with no side effects or whatsoever and i could focus all day long till i've developed a tolerance more and more was prescribed until i've realised i probably shouldn't be on any heavier dose than 20mg per day, i do take weekends off as a break depending if i need to help out my mum etc etc.

I've recently been taking magnesium as a supplement daily after reading an add forum and it sure works at keeping tolerance issues at bay. But after a while i my tolerance to the magnesium has developed SIGHS.

ah wells unlucky me no one to blame but my body and weak self thanks

Sustanon
21-01-2013, 06:17
Ive got a little pehnibut and picamilon to play around with. What are ur opinions on it? Ive read quite numerous threads on this but I trust my fellow AU blers tips more so. Would 500mg be a good starting dose? I finish work late tonight n planning to take 500mg at 8pm or so. I want to sleep around 1am, I know it takes 2h + to kick in, will I be sick or hungover the next day? I really need an alternative to codeine something that relaxes me. Im planning to keep a log on it so ill keep u guys posted on it:) Peace:)

justsayknow
21-01-2013, 06:39
My first time was just the other day. 1g at 9am and another 1g at 3pm. Relaxed and uncoordinated from about 12 until 10pm at which point I passed out and was unwakeable until 7am. Felt a bit of a buzz and had difficulty concentrating while under the influence, slight headache at about 5pm but it went away. Still felt very relaxed the following day. Yesterday I tried it again this time 900mg at 3pm effects were much milder but still slept very well. A little tired today but no noticeable effects.

So for me 3-4 hours for full effects and then residual effects well after 16hrs. Less than 1g would be a good starting point. The guidelines on the tub I bought say 600mg to 1.8g as a sleep aid. It also says no more than 2 doses a day and to have a 3 day "wash out" period between uses.

I think it has a slight stimulant effect or at least some kind of dopamine type buzz initially so your idea of dosing 5hrs before bed is probably about right.

justsayknow
21-01-2013, 06:50
Also I didn't find it to be as functional as some others have suggested. No good for work, driving or operating heavy machinery as far as I'm concerned. Not relaxing in the same way as Benzos or Alcohol either but it seems to have an effect on mood some how.

Jakeperson
21-01-2013, 10:58
Ive got a little pehnibut and picamilon to play around with. What are ur opinions on it? Ive read quite numerous threads on this but I trust my fellow AU blers tips more so. Would 500mg be a good starting dose? I finish work late tonight n planning to take 500mg at 8pm or so. I want to sleep around 1am, I know it takes 2h + to kick in, will I be sick or hungover the next day? I really need an alternative to codeine something that relaxes me. Im planning to keep a log on it so ill keep u guys posted on it:) Peace:)

Neither of them will get you high but be warned mixing with GABA drugs or opiates will show you that Phenibut is a very powerful potentiator. It made my brain capable of nodding from Suboxone. Be careful with the H Sust if you're gonna take Phenibut.

500mg should be a good starting dose but you ain't gonna get high from it, it feels like diazepam lite minus any high. Fucking awesome and addictive as hell to any one with anxiety problems. Shit, would I love some right now. Picamilon will give a slight rush and relief from anxiety when snorted at the 25-50mg area but again, you're not gonna get high, you'll be lucky to feel anything unless you are already anxious.

Sustanon
21-01-2013, 11:07
Thanks for the info:) Had 480mg 35 mins ago on an empty stomach, does it come on faster with no food? Also would eating kill its effects? Oh also I stopped having smack completely, is it ok to combine with codeine and DXM though?

spacejunk
21-01-2013, 11:16
i'd be careful sus.
few too many CNS depressants in the mix there...
i find phenibut is quite useful, but it's long halflife leaves me feeling fuzzy the next day. i think the info above posted by meatbag is useful - that people dose this stuff too high. this was probably my problem - i have a stash of phenibut but i've only taken it a couple of times. a good thing to have around, but not to take regularly IMO.
for alleviating anxiety, the dose you took should be sufficient, but just be patient with the onset and gauge it before taking something else.

Jakeperson
21-01-2013, 11:57
I am quite sure with your tolerance you will be fine Sust but I would still err on the side of HR, the potentiation is out of this world strong and that's during a taper from benzo addiction so my tolerance to GABA drugs was up there.

I daily dosed this stuff for about 6 months and was eating handfulls of caps 2-3 times a day, several grams which didn't do much then but I remember the first few times I dosed and then re-dosed I ended up being very nausea's with a case of vertigo. You might feel slightly hungover tomorrow from it, I generally woke up feeling great from a case of anxiouslessness and being well rested, two things I am very unfamiliar with.

Sustanon
21-01-2013, 12:51
Cheers for the info, I prob wont take it with anything else. I really do miss my warm fuzzy codeine + dihydrocodeine + dxm combo though. Just wanted to try something new, something that will stop me from taking codeine and other stuff but after reading more n more im not even sure if the phenibut is a better (safer option).

Not being able to do it few times a week aint good. Might just save it for acid comedowns just like I do with xanax lol 2.15mins in still not feeling much at all apart from calmness bout 3/10 compared to xanax if thats a 10/10, I do feel it somewhat but feels like 0.25mg alprazolam, very very mild though. Hoping itll get better. Ahh the search for a legal alternative to codeine continues. Just scared of all the ibuprofen I have been consuming even though ive been CWE it. Do u guys know of any legal sedatatives that work really well without negative / limited consequences?

spacejunk
21-01-2013, 12:55
i think most sedatives have "consequences" one way or another. tolerance, habituation, etc etc.

maybe you should get into meditation or something...?

Sustanon
21-01-2013, 13:19
i think most sedatives have "consequences" one way or another. tolerance, habituation, etc etc.

maybe you should get into meditation or something...?

Hmmm yeah I suppose its a catch 22. What goes up must come down aye? I do yoga and mediate although its nothing like being on a substance. I just need something to replace my codeine habit, something a little healthier and relaxing.

spacejunk
21-01-2013, 13:27
i guess what i'm saying is that the only thing that fits all of those criteria is something that isn't a drug.
there is no magic solution, unfortunately. just a strong will to get clean.

Jakeperson
21-01-2013, 13:34
You could try Mulungu tea from that herbal store. It has some definite effects and is meant to be an anxiolytic, it felt more like alcohol crossed with a deliriant to me though.

spacejunk
21-01-2013, 13:35
^i've been meaning to try that for a while. thanks for the reminder...

Sustanon
21-01-2013, 23:48
I have some mulungu powder at home, I infused it in a tea once but didnt feel anything from it. Maybe I need to simmer it for 20mins? How do u guys prepare it? When do the effects kick in for u? Meant to be more powerful than the rest of the teas.

justsayknow
22-01-2013, 03:28
I have never boiled the mulungu. Usually mix it with water or milk or milo. It tastes awful and isnt very water soluble. From memory I used to take 1-3 teaspoons of it. It has a definite effect. Personally I don't find it pleasant and not very calming. I cant remember the onset time but it isnt extra long like phenibut.

Even though you cant take the phenibut every day I reckon its a good thing to have around as a sleep aid if things get bad. Like you said its not in the same league as xanax. It seems to have different effects that are also valuable and it still reduces anxiety in its own way. I havent been using benzos at all recently so my tolerance to these kind of substances is probably very low which is perhaps why I experienced more pronounced effects than you. Would be interesting to see what you experience on the dose that I had 1g in the morning and 1g in the afternoon.

Sustanon
22-01-2013, 05:11
I will keep experimenting with it although ill prob hold off it for a while, the WDs really scare me (phenibut). I had a hard time quitting smack as it is. Its a wonderful feeling not being dependent on it, just working on quitting codeine which proves way more difficult for me:S I just wish there was a legal substance which would be similar in effects and not to bad consequences. I hate relying on dealers all the time. The older I become and the more diverse my drug use is ive come to a realization that not every drug is right for me, everything seems to have some sort of negative impact. Meth has horrible comedown, mdma makes me depressed, opiates give u bad WD's and so forth. Staying sober sucks too, Ive lost interest in doing things that I would mainly enjoy but being high and doing them is just so much more fun.

Ill give the malungu a try tonight after work 3 teaspoons, how long does it last? Ill dose at 8pm and prob hit the sack around 11pm. I just want to know if it does anything. Does it lose potency? Ive had it sitting in my cupboard for about a year now. Still would work to some degree? Cheers for all ur help:)

justsayknow
22-01-2013, 08:39
Ive lost interest in doing things that I would mainly enjoy

Have the things become less interesting though? I'm having the same struggle with booze right now- feeling like everything is shit when I'm sober. The thing is the activities are exactly the same, I'm just more interested in drinking its my priority rather than the activities I enjoy. I've become more boring the things haven't. I'm pretty sure it will change once I let my self enjoy them rather than worrying about what I'm not doing.

Ive only ever had mulungu at bed time so not too sure about the duration. I didn't get a hangover though. I have had the same bag for 2 years and havent noticed a change.

Sustanon
22-01-2013, 11:08
Yeah, the main reason why I specifically love opiates is because I can do stuff on the computer, be more social and to also to play video games on it, not just that but I can function on it more so. Daily tasks seem a lot more interesting too. I cant even be bothered to turn on the pc if im sober. On the positive note ive just downed half a cup of mulungu tea (3 teaspoons that was simmered in 300ml water for about 15-20mins) Hopefully will have relaxing effects although I dont expect too much from most legal stuff now days unless its an RC or similar. Tastes a little bitter but nothing too bad, Im used to drinking filthy stuff to get high haha. Ill report back as to how I went. Hopefully all u people are having a nice night so far:)

Sustanon
22-01-2013, 20:22
Used 3 teaspoons last night, simmered for 20mins. Drank it at 8pm and started feeling its effects around 8:10pm. It did feel a little like an alcohol + delirium buzz. Reminds me of a low dose LSA. Did feel super calm and anxiety free. Was surprised at how effective it was, I actually prefer it over phenibut. Its a lot more healthier too without the WD's that phenibut provides. Doesnt get u high or anything but it does resemble diazepam etc. Ill be experimenting with this for sure but next time with a higher dose around 4-5 teaspoons:) I did have it on a empty stomach, does that matter? Will the effects still be the same on a full stomach?

THE_REAL_OBLIVION
09-02-2013, 16:36
. All they ever do is dish out seroquel which I might add can cause sudden death especially in patients also on methadone(I was on both for around 2 years!). If your on Seroquel make sure you read into all the possible side effects because I dont think many doctors realize how harmful it can be.



Alright, I am on methadone and valium. Sometimes I skip one valium pill and use a 25mg seroquel, the tiny pink ones used for sleep...You got no idea how much you scared me here with this post (hope its not too old for the mods...). What kind of dosage of seroquel are you talking about? I survived several years with a script for dexedrine while being aware of the "sudden death" thing...i dont see how it could be not as bad street speed. Anyway, please some follow up, especially since I cannot renew my script of valium until tomorrow (yay, I am now using my diazepam responsibly, my trick was giving the bottle to a close relative and have that person give me my 2 blues for the day, I only cheated once, so that means one day before renewal...anyway what i mean by that is that my ability to relax is diminished today and I came upon that!

rickolasnice
09-02-2013, 16:44
It's great for anxiety, sleep, mood and there are some definite nootropic affects.

A good dose is 1.2 - 1.5gs to start.

Don't do it more than 1 or 2 days at a time without a break.. tolerance kicks in and you will be in a bad mood / anxious when you stop.

Don't dose 24/7 for any long period of time as you will be in for about a weeks worth of insomnia, anxiety and depression.

Jakeperson
09-02-2013, 17:27
That's a fairly high dose, phenibut is quite stressful on the body.

rickolasnice
09-02-2013, 17:33
Source?

Jakeperson
09-02-2013, 19:01
My doctor after tests because of my kidney pain, but I was taking several grams daily for about 6 months, started off at 1.5. Phenibut's half life is 5 hours so if it's lasting much longer than that, it's putting unnecessary strain on your kidneys. I would suggest two 500mg doses over the day.

justsayknow
11-02-2013, 03:57
^Was there lasting damage to your kidneys?
Surely with daily use you would have been getting very little effect? Also how many grams is "several" more than two?
Even with taking this a couple of times a week for the last few weeks my tolerance has gone up.

Jakeperson
11-02-2013, 04:54
Not that I have been made aware of but I never went back to that doctor, he was a right arsehole about the whole thing.

Several = 2-5

rickolasnice
11-02-2013, 14:42
I've been taking 3 - 5 for a long time now (months and months).. I recently had a blood test that come back saying one of my liver enzymes was slightly high.. The doc said it was nothing to worry about but not normal for someone my age.. But I drink a lot too.. (She said it's caused by alcohol.. I didn't tell her about my phenibut usage)

TaSiPtR
14-02-2013, 00:09
I'm in same boat on 72.5mgs of Methadone & I've also taken the tiny 25mg pink seroquel that post has scared the absolute shit out of me ! will def be doing some reading up on this. I know 3 or 4 ppl who prescribed the seroquel in conjunction with the done wtf ? why does nobody seem to know anything about this? agh
Alright, I am on methadone and valium. Sometimes I skip one valium pill and use a 25mg seroquel, the tiny pink ones used for sleep...You got no idea how much you scared me here with this post (hope its not too old for the mods...). What kind of dosage of seroquel are you talking about? I survived several years with a script for dexedrine while being aware of the "sudden death" thing...i dont see how it could be not as bad street speed. Anyway, please some follow up, especially since I cannot renew my script of valium until tomorrow (yay, I am now using my diazepam responsibly, my trick was giving the bottle to a close relative and have that person give me my 2 blues for the day, I only cheated once, so that means one day before renewal...anyway what i mean by that is that my ability to relax is diminished today and I came upon that!

justsayknow
27-04-2013, 11:31
I've been taking 3 - 5 for a long time now (months and months).. I recently had a blood test that come back saying one of my liver enzymes was slightly high.. The doc said it was nothing to worry about but not normal for someone my age.. But I drink a lot too.. (She said it's caused by alcohol.. I didn't tell her about my phenibut usage)

Is that daily? Or every third day as recommended?

rickolasnice
27-04-2013, 19:02
Daily.. This is the third or fourth time I've been addicted to phenibut but nowhere near as bad..

The withdrawals from my 12ish months of 1.2ish grams a day was horrible enough :\

justsayknow
28-04-2013, 05:35
I think even with the recommended dose I have been experiencing rebound insomnia after 2 days. I will have to spread the doses out even more than 3 days I think.

catalink
18-06-2013, 15:20
OMG stay away from Phenibut, i ordered some online due to reading it on forums being an alternative to benzodiazepines without physical withdrawals or negative side effects.

They come in these form of capsules with white powder inside, they were opened and inspected by customs and let through, i've read online it was illegal, in the USA

It's a supplement, love the USA and the people there such a wonderful country, where concrete jungles are made of lolz and in Russia you can buy them over the counter.

Im an individual suffering from ADHD, been trying my best to stay on low doses at 2x 5mgs in the morning then in about late afternoon 2x 5mgs.

I've found through the years of using dexamphetamine for my ADHD the effectiveness of this drug is diminishing and i sometimes do need to take extra in

order for me to focus and help my mother. Well i was hospitalisted over the weekend due to taking 4 phenibut along with my dexamphetamine,

i've been prescribed valium for my anxiety but my doc is reluctant to prescribed them to me, and due to withdrawal symptoms i haven't been back to my psychiatrist

which will prescribed them to me if i request it due to the anxiety i experience as a result of the natural side effects of the dexamphetamine. Never did i know Phenibut

would cause severe intense withdrawals, i experienced tremors, anxiety attacks that felt almost like an heart attack, which i never experience on benzodiazepines

withdrawals throughout my whole life. So i drove my self to the hospital without calling 000 due to not wanting to alert my mum to get worried since she is suffering

from anxiety disorder which is also prescribed on benzo Xanax, who suffered from cancer and has finally won the battle. I've been by her side literally helping her for

the past 2 years. They seriously need to make phenibut illegal as it's legal to buy online and not regulated in Australia. Luckily As i'm typing this message my withdrawals

from Phenibut has finally subsided. Though i needed to have taken a few valium for the past 2 days.

oh the dosages for phenibut was 4 x 750ml and they are in these dodgy capsules. I suggest everyone steer clear away from them.

I'd rather be prescribed on valium, even though i have to go back to my psychiatrist and pay a hefty fee.

I just don't get why it's not regulated while normal doctors are so reluctant to prescribe you benzos when you have a disorder and are in need of them.

So the psychiatrist can make money? i assume? not sure just my thinking

Anyways time for an individual like me to sleep, as my add is now kicking back in while i'm completely going into coma mode, and when i'm awake tomorrow i will need to be back on my add meds to function as a normal human being and help my mother at home.

Oh and i also will crash my car if i don't take my add meds for those that don't understand this disorder, i've been told that i'm being slack or something is wrong with me my whole life, for those that assume this, i'm so sick of your judgements, you won't understand how an disorder feels like unless you have one yourself. So please be more considerate. anyways listern to my advice don't take phenibut. thankyou.

And i've been so stressful due to the situation i'm in, i have to constantly tell lies to my friends that i'm either studying or going on holidays or working to avoid being embarassed or my friends getting worried of my well being and most of all my mums past condition, i feel like this is the only site i can express my feelings and be anonymous here. thankyou and yes please stay away from that phenibut.

And the only time i ever do hang out with friends are past night time, after extremely stressful day, constantly lying to them and avoiding them, when in reality i'm either at home helping my mum with the occasion weekends or weekdays free night time i get, and if my add doesn't get the best of me and the dexies not wearing off, i do get the occasion to hang out with a friend which is so sad. Seriously

and the only time i can hang out with a friend i over did the dexies so i can stay awake and focus while completely ignoring that i've overdosed on my dexies thus sending me to the ER the following night from lack of sleep, i've lost count on how much dexies i've tooken but 4 phenibuts were tooken along with it don't know if it could be the phenibut, or the combination of both and as soon as i was called by my mother, realizing she could find out i have overdosed on them and worry about her anxiety kicking in, i've requested to sign myself out of the hospital disregarding my life even though under constant advice and refusal by doctors and nurses. Now talking about it my anxiety attack comes back on and i can't even sleep looking at the watch is 3.45am now. but i feel like this is the only way i can express myself and not to a friend which may worry them and make them depress. So sorry for all these ranting on and on about my personal issues. Just need to get all these feelings out

anxiety heaps of anxiety
I have had phenibut on A LOT of different drugs the only drug it seemed to really have a bad interaction with it is alcohol. in-fact phenibut seems to dampen alot of drugs out like for instants taking it with mushrooms didnt feel it and i had handfulls of good ones that my friends were tripping hard out on me nothing weed: did not feel weed on phenibut tobacco i felt very much made me dizzy you have 4 phenibuts of 750mg each which is 3000mg or 3 grams which I admit is a average dose if your ner 80 kilos though most people would feel something at 3.2 i think its 40 mg per kilo of body weight is supposed to make you get a cooling effect i found i was impervious to cold and sweating a lot, i useally combined it with alcar piracetam and choline that helps but dont have a bad experience with something and good off half cocked advising everyone not to take it that just being an asshole, also Being ADHD make me think aniracetam would be good to try out just suggesting it as i know many ADD an ADHD people who take Aniracetam and they say it drowns out the "background chatter" or something do your own research as allways ask a doctor too though look into it may be what you are looking for

Mysterie
18-06-2013, 20:29
i figured id just post this incase a future version of me views the thread

from my subjective view phenibut is not worth your time, its effects are very very mild, and then even using it twice a week, those small effects diminish and diminish over time, so if you increase the dose your taking, the the side effects keep going up and its just becomes gross

i reckon once a week even with phenibut is not enough of a break, once a fortnight could be sustainable (if you enjoy the effects of the drug), for a few months i suppose

psood0nym
12-07-2013, 05:25
I've been taking 3 - 5 for a long time now (months and months).. I recently had a blood test that come back saying one of my liver enzymes was slightly high.. The doc said it was nothing to worry about but not normal for someone my age.. But I drink a lot too.. (She said it's caused by alcohol.. I didn't tell her about my phenibut usage)
Liver enzymes will be elevated for around 3 days after a weekend of recreational drinking, so it was probably the alcohol, though I am curious about the liver's reaction to phenibut.

I've never experienced withdrawals from any drug before phenibut. The novelty of it has made it interesting to experience, but I certainly won't be repeating the regimen that led to the withdrawals. I didn't realize how quickly I could get to a point where days-long, significant withdrawal symptoms would come into play. I took 2 g for my first dose, liked the effect, and took 2 more. The next day I took 6 g to see what it could do and by the end of the day I was pacing around with racing manic energy. It was a bit much so I figured no more of that dose. Over the next 1.5 weeks I used 2 to 3 g every 2 or 3 days just for the good mood. Then came a 3 day visit with my parents. I'm typically sort of quiet and withdrawn around them because I simply don't know what to discuss, but they drove a long way and I wanted to be a more engaging son for them, so, phenibut! I took 2 g in the morning and 2 g in the afternoon for those three days and all was well. At the end of the trip I decided that was enough phenibut for awhile, but phenibut wasn't done with me.

The first night off phenibut was normal, the second I just didn't sleep. It was the most naturally awake feeling I ever had, and it coincided with the new arrival of 2-FMA and MXE so I attributed my insomnia to that. The next day at work I felt vaguely bad, in a way I've never felt before. I realized it was withdrawals but figured I didn't use that much really so how bad could it be? That night I slept 4 hours and awoke as if I had never been asleep. I continued abstaining from phenibut but used MXE and 2-FMA the next day and that resulted in madness. Sleep deprivation + MXE + amphetamines + phenibut withdrawal = PCP-like insanity without the energy to laugh at it. Nothing bad happened as a result but yeesh! mental torture. I took 1.5 g of phenibut in the middle of that and finally calmed down and got some rest about 2 hours later. Now I'm in a proper 0.5 g per day taper.

I like phenibut and will use it again, but never more than once a week.