Stimulants Dexerall: A superior formula of l-METHamphetamine & d-amphetamine

This thread applies almost exclusively to people who are prescribed Dexedrine (not adderall).

Basically, it has been my experience as well as friends of mine that although dexedrine (d-amphetamine) is a much cleaner feeling drug and is a superior substance than the the racemic compound, it is so smooth that it actually lends itself less to productivity. When one takes it on a daily basis, some of the desired effects (motivation, energy, focus) become less pronounced compared to an equivalent amount of daily adderall (dl-amphetamine); This is because adderall's l-amphetamine component is primarily norepinergic. Tolerance also seems more common in dexedrine users than adderall users. Norepinephrine seems to have something to do with the formation of memorys, as well. I believe there are situations in which an adderall-type stimulant would have an advantage over the pure d- isomer, IE before a lot of physical work and you need elevated energy, but also during times like midterms, finals week, etc. On those days, take the dexedrine xr as you normally would, but along with it, 2-5mg of the extraction I will discuss below.

Unfortunately, your Dr. probably won't script you both adderall AND dexedrine.

However, I have found a really simple way to get the best of both worlds. At most (US) convenience stores, you can find these little Vicks Inhalers. These inhalers are cheap and made of plastic, and are sold for decongestion purposes. They each contain around 50mg of l-methamphetamine. l-meth by itself is really a poor compound, since it has ~7 times higher affinity for NET than DAT. However, just as Adderall is 75% d-amphetamine and 25% l-amphetamine, and it is this small addition of l-amphetamine that gives Adderall a more energetic experience, we can extract the l-methamphetamine from these inhalers, and mix a small amount into our d-amphetamine (Dexedrine) on days of increased demand to form a mixture that draws from and improves upon the example set by Adderall.

So, break open the thin plastic tube, take the cotton out, throw it in some cool water, swirl it around until you feel everything in the cotton has dispersed into the water. Then take a syringe\eyedropper and suck the bottom of the solution up. There will be a layer of foul smelling lavendar oil at the top, avoid sucking that up. Not really dangerous or anything, but it leaves a terrible flavor in your mouth if you end up with some in your solution. Take your bottom (should be pretty clear) layer of water (that our product is now dissolved in) and squirt it out somewhere flat. Let the water dry out until the l-methamphetamine powder is left.

Now, you have roughly ~30-40mg of methamphetamine, accounting for some definite losses of product in the filtration process.

Whenever you feel like you really need an extra boost, don't take an extra dexedrine, put 2 or 3 milligrams of this Vicks extraction in your dexedrine spansule for the day, and take it when you normally would. It feels like a better version of adderall. I take 15mg dexedrine xr in the mornings for the last 6 months, and when I tried this out today it felt like I had taken two for a while. You become calm, not jittery, and super focused. I just completely re did my room, which I haven't changed in like 5 years, because I had run out of other things to do haha. l-methamphetamine is actually easier on the body than l-amphetamine, so you still feel physically comfortable.

Are you aware of pharmaceutical D-methamphetamine? Trade name desoxyn. It's probably much more effective than your method, but I have to commend you on your creativity.

It is my understanding that the levorotatory stereoisomer of methamphetamine isn't very psychoactive at all, so really it would just be adding to some unpleasant side effects. Some of these being nausea, hypertension, tachycardia, etc., etc.

...and this different from l-amphetamine how ?

Great idea OP, my gf always said that my Dexedrine was "good but it seemed to miss the kick in the ass from street speed". I usually joke and reply "Sorry miss if you do not appreciate the fact I can get Dexedrine from my GP and you cannot even get Adderall.."

no. l-methamp and l-amp are both useless. d-methamp is the most effective ADD medication available. no need to make a l-meth/d-amp combo. l-meth's half life is around 24 hours i believe, and that means that when taken orally, the l-methamp will last you all day, causing long-lasting side effects while the d-amp (half life, 6 hours) will have it's therapeutic duration of action at around 4-5 hours max.

l-methamphetamine is available OTC in the United States as Vicks Inhaler. It's not recreational or really CNS active at all in my experience.

also this ^

Although never 'scripted dex (adult ADHD isn't widely recognised in the UK, and prescription of amphetamines very rare, though oddly, when they show up on the black market, pharm dexys are cheap, arguably cheaper than the bootleg amphetamine sulphate that makes up most of the speed market here), I had a long-term source of pharm dex for years, used both recreationally during long drinking sessions, while friends did bad coke for many times the price, and for work, especially proofreading. I did sometimes find the euphoria of dex distracting - at times, I just left notes for myself reading 'Get back to work' and 'Stop it: focus' (this was while working a night shift desk job), and when I had tight deadlines, I'd take a slightly lower dose of dex (1mg tabs here, so titration's easy), and 50-100 mgs of modafinil. That was the most productive work/drug cocktail I've ever found, but it of course led to taking benzos or zopiclone in the mornings after work, and so on.

I don't really care for stimulants anymore, with the exception of Ritalin - always found it more recreational than any amphetamine proper (yes, including a selection of California meth: people tell me I have weird taste in drugs, I prefer hydro to oxy, mids to skunk), but it's very hard to find on this side of the pond, and that's probably a good thing: it's a great pleasure on the rare occasions I can get a tab or two, and irregular access prevents developing a tolerance/snorting piles of crushed pills, etc. Funny, I used to take massive doses of bootleg sulphate for parties, sometimes cheap and cut to fuck, sometimes pricier, and purer - 'base', they call it here, though sometimes base is meth - with nothing but booze/weed for the aftermath. My jaw muscles bulged, at one point in college, from compulsive chewing gum through trance nights and after-parties, while I was otherwise speed-freak emaciated. Now that I'm old and hooked on benzos, I can't imagine anything worse than coming down from sulphate or meth (which, in street form, were neither very useful for work purposes, except in tiny doses...and it's kinda hard to keep them small when there's more at hand).

Many of you completely missed the point. I know l-amp\l-methamp aren't recreational - and I stated so in my OP. This is for WORK purposes. It's no secret that Adderall is better than dexedrine for physical labor. It has more of an 'oomph'. I prefer it for studying as well - it gives me more motivation.

This combination is better than adderall for these purposes. It is also more euphoric than adderall. I know l-amp and l-methamp have little recreational value - but remember adderall has l-amp in it to begin with! We're just substituting l-methamp for l-amp. When we replace the 75\25 d-amp\l-amp "adderall" combo with a 75\25 d-amp\l-methamp combo, there is a significant and noticeable difference. Less tachycardia than adderall (but more than dexedrine), less irritability, more motivation than adderall OR dexedrine, etc.

Let me be clear: Dexedrine is the superior stimulant for recreation! But this is not what this thread aims to provide.

Also, yes Desoxyn is hands down the best choice;I get dexedrine and adderall easily but noone will script me desoxyn, and this is pretty much the norm all over america. Easier to just buy a point and then clean the shit out of it than to actually score a desoxyn script!

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N0 W4RN1NG said:

Many of you completely missed the point. I know l-amp\l-methamp aren't recreational - and I stated so in my OP. This is for WORK purposes. It's no secret that Adderall is better than dexedrine for physical labor. It has more of an 'oomph'. I prefer it for studying as well - it gives me more motivation.

This combination is better than adderall for these purposes. It is also more euphoric than adderall. I know l-amp and l-methamp have little recreational value - but remember adderall has l-amp in it to begin with! We're just substituting l-methamp for l-amp. When we replace the 75\25 d-amp\l-amp "adderall" combo with a 75\25 d-amp\l-methamp combo, there is a significant and noticeable difference. Less tachycardia than adderall (but more than dexedrine), less irritability, more motivation than adderall OR dexedrine, etc.

Let me be clear: Dexedrine is the superior stimulant for recreation! But this is not what this thread aims to provide.

Also, yes Desoxyn is hands down the best choice;I get dexedrine and adderall easily but noone will script me desoxyn, and this is pretty much the norm all over america. Easier to just buy a point and then clean the shit out of it than to actually score a desoxyn script!

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the "oomph" is not as useful as you might think, especially in the long run. you might enjoy it, but I'm pretty sure that there are very few others, who share your opinion. Fuck L-methamp, I can barely handle the 25% levo in adderall, with racemic meth, it lasts longer, is better to treat ADD, and I guess you still get that "oomph", but I still don't see any way it would be any better than dexedrine and especially desoxyn. your design may be effective for you, but it just doesn't seem like it would be anything close to good. Dexedrine patients, just take your pills as they are, no need to add a dirty PNS stimulant to the mix. Are the severe side effects produced by l-methamp actually worth the focus boost? levo amphetamines (meth and reg) tend to make me sick, paranoid, anxious, physically tense, and ultimately, it's an unwanted, non-recreational, non-therapeutic, toxic compound. If your gonna take l-meth, it's should only be in racemic meth, otherwise it's fucking useless, especially with d-amp, which has a duration that is roughly 25% as long as l-methamp, which means that you get a side effect ridden 12 hour crash, which could lead to issues if used regularly, and will almost certainly make you paranoid.

Bigfanofthemdrugs said:

no. l-methamp and l-amp are both useless. d-methamp is the most effective ADD medication available. no need to make a l-meth/d-amp combo. l-meth's half life is around 24 hours i believe, and that means that when taken orally, the l-methamp will last you all day, causing long-lasting side effects while the d-amp (half life, 6 hours) will have it's therapeutic duration of action at around 4-5 hours max.

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D-amp's half life is 10-12 hrs not 6.
L-methamphetamine half life is 13-15 hrs.


So your theory or what not was based on numbed you for somewhere or pulled out of thin air.

Personally I have had both and am prescribed 20mg tabs IR 3x per day adderall.

And dex was the first stimulant I ever had besides the standard OTC(not benzedrex) just normal people ephedra, and other energy drinks.

It was a nice lift. 15mg first time was a very nice night of euphoria.

An energy kick similar to that of oxy/hydrocodone but a bit stronger.

Then 4 months later without touching another stimulant. My GP sends me to a behavioral health specialist who is 70 yes old and had me pegged as classic textbook ADD(innatentative).

Started me on 30mg IR adderall. One 20mg AM, 10MG early afternoon.

So the next day I wake up after a crapy night sleep(about 5 hrs) and swallow the pill whole. Sitting on the couch watching the news within 45 min I was up pacing and rambling going into hyper focus, feeling like a god with limitless energy. After a few data I got better control of it and it helps me so much with pure energy, ambition, and focus.

The Dexedrine was more of a happy pill not near the level of improvement in focus adderall brought.

I am not sure what experience you brought to why your half life's were both so far off.

In a later post you say Levo is non recreational. So essentially you don't like the bad effects when you take large adderall doses.

That's fine. But no reason to spread disinformation.

gocards27 said:

D-amp's half life is 10-12 hrs not 6.
L-methamphetamine half life is 13-15 hrs.


So your theory or what not was based on numbed you for somewhere or pulled out of thin air.

Personally I have had both and am prescribed 20mg tabs IR 3x per day adderall.

And dex was the first stimulant I ever had besides the standard OTC(not benzedrex) just normal people ephedra, and other energy drinks.

It was a nice lift. 15mg first time was a very nice night of euphoria.

An energy kick similar to that of oxy/hydrocodone but a bit stronger.

Then 4 months later without touching another stimulant. My GP sends me to a behavioral health specialist who is 70 yes old and had me pegged as classic textbook ADD(innatentative).

Started me on 30mg IR adderall. One 20mg AM, 10MG early afternoon.

So the next day I wake up after a crapy night sleep(about 5 hrs) and swallow the pill whole. Sitting on the couch watching the news within 45 min I was up pacing and rambling going into hyper focus, feeling like a god with limitless energy. After a few data I got better control of it and it helps me so much with pure energy, ambition, and focus.

The Dexedrine was more of a happy pill not near the level of improvement in focus adderall brought.

I am not sure what experience you brought to why your half life's were both so far off.

In a later post you say Levo is non recreational. So essentially you don't like the bad effects when you take large adderall doses.

That's fine. But no reason to spread disinformation.

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Ok, sorry, my numbers were off, I actually read them on erowid, but after a quick search, I found that the info I read there was wrong. but my point remains: l-methamp's effects outlast d-amp's by quite a bit. If you take them both simultaneously, you'll most likely find yourself in a situation were you've long crashed from the d-amp, but the l-Meth is still "tweeking" you out, worsening the comedown, making it far more uncomfortable.

^ NO, can't you guys read? This whole thread is advocating taking a LITTLE l-methamp - not enough to even produce effects by itself - with some d-amp to mimic ADDERALL in an easy, cheap, convenient OTC way.

This is not for "tweaking out". You will not feel the l-methamp at all. It just makes the d-amp more focused. I've been doing this for a while now, and it beats the hell out of every other study aid.

Everybody knows l-methamp won't get you high - that's not what I set out to do.

Adderall is 75% d-amp and 25% l-amp, and most people find adderall is better for studying\manual repetitive labor\etc. There's more stimulation than with pure D-amp, and usually, that's a BAD thing.

In some situations, you may want that extra determination, but it's silly and not viable to have both an Adderall AND a Dexedrine script, so this thread was just supposed to outline a simple and surprisingly effective way to basically turn your Dexedrine into a small amount of adderall (well, a superior equivalent) on the fly, without breaking out any lab gear, and OTC.

Try it out before posting that "this is dumb because you'll crash harder from the l-methamp" >_<

Sounds like complete placebo to me.

Please, do me a huge favor, and explain why this sounds like placebo to you.

I agree with hatrix, sounds like placebo to me. The reason is obvious.

N0 W4RN1NG said:

Please, do me a huge favor, and explain why this sounds like placebo to you.

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Even at high doses, l-methamphetamine provides no sort of psychoactive high. Considering that fact, adding such miniscule amounts to your Adderall and supposedly making it "better" is complete placebo. You THINK it's going to make it better, therefore it simply does.

State of mind plays a huge role in the effects of drugs.

I'm not trying to be a dick. I'm just saying it TRULY sounds like placebo. I don't think it's having any effect at all. If I made it myself but instead used 2mg of Caffeine it would most likely produce the same results, of course without you knowing of this whole placebo situation.

It has pharmacological validity - not placebo in most cases. What worries me is that you're self-medicating.

^There are several accounts on this site of people getting off from l-methamphetamine; note: that doesn't mean its safe. This compound isn't only mixed with a bunch of nasty other chemicals in those inhalers but its particularly hard on the heart and frankly isn't meant to be ingested in large quantities. If it was it would be prescribed...

JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST

I am not trying to get high. L-methamp will not get you high. I feel like I include this in every other post, but people still seem to think I am trying to add l-methamp in for a "psychoactive high" as you put it, hatrix.

And I'm not adding it to adderall! I'm adding it to DEXEDRINE!!! Don't you get this? I feel like I can't possibly explain it any better than I already have in my previous posts...

Everyone agrees, Adderall > Dexedrine for ENERGY, right? [THIS DOESN'T FUCKING MEAN RECREATION]

This is because the 25% l-amp in Adderall, that is absent in Dexedrine, is more selective for norepinephrine.

So, if you have a Dexedrine [100% d-amp] script, and you add in a couple mg of l-methamp extracted from OTC vicks inhalers, you will have an experience that more closely resembles adderall.

THIS ISN'T OPINION, IT'S COMMON SENSE

PLEASE re-read the thread in it's entirety, I BEG you all!