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Opioids Is it possible to get my opioid tolerance back to a manageable level

nexiusus

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Just some quick background:
I've been using opioids for a total of ten years now. I started out using IV heroin. The first two years my tolerance always stayed low and i could always attain the high i sought with a tenth or two tops. During my second year of using heroin i stumbled upon a hook up for solid, rocked up, chunky heroin. My tolerance quikly went up and by year four i ended up getting on methadone because i couldnt afford my habit anymore. I stated on methadone for five years, kicking it twice during that time prior to the kick that made me get off it for good. That entire time i was on the clinic i chased the heroin high, to no avail as anyone who has ever been on methadone knows. In 2010 i started on the pain clinic for a few herniated discs in my lower back and fell into the roxicodone craze. I was running through bottles of 180 tablets in 5 or 6 days. I got back on methadone again to get off the roxis. In august 2010 i contracted an infection that landed in my hip joint, a disease known as septic arthritis. The infection ate all the cartilage in my right hip in 8 weeks. I had emergency surgery and was left with bone on bone femur and pelvis. I stayed on methadonetill January of 2011, when i was arrested and sentenced to a year of state prison. I kicked methadone in jail and vowed to never get on it again. Now before going to prison, i could easily clear teo or three grams of dope a day. Coming out of prison, i assumed my tolerance would be completely gone and it would be like starting over again. Well the first day out i did a gram, and within a week was chasing a monstrous habit again. In january of this year i finally started seeing a legit pain specialist, as the seriousness of my hip disease allows me to goto any doctor and get basically anything i want. I got on dilaudid and was given 56 mg a day. Well needless to say, i could run through 120 4 mg tablets in about 3 days and spend another week killing the 16mg exalgos (ER hydromorphone). I recently, as in two weeks ago, switched to morphine sulfate and was scripted 2x 200mg er tablets a day and 3x 30mg ir tablets day. I had hoped if i did a two hundred in the morning, a 90mg ir shot in the afternoon, and another 200mg at night id be straight. Well i already have found myself doing these 200mg tablets nearly back to back. I can easily run through 2 grams of these no problem and am no longer getting any rush from a 200mg shot.

I am dying to start getting actually high off opiates again without the aid of a potentiating drug like benzos, but it almost feels like it will never happen. Im wasting my pills just getting well it seems like and never getting high. Does anyone have experience with lowering such a high tolerance comfortably and keeping it at a managable level, while still being able to catch that hazy noddy high i dream of? I literally cannot even remember the last time i caught a nod... And i have been consuming enough opiates for a small army. Somebody point me in the right direction. Not to mention i have literally no viable veins left. Both of my arms are shot, except the hands which blow out when shooting 3ml+ liquid in them a few times a day. Ive resorted to some rather strange places to push off and many a congealed bloody shot has been squirted in my mouth struggling to find a hit. Then of course i load up another swearing ill find it this time, and dont give up till i do.

Please, i dont want to hear the usual stop using etc responses. Im a chronic pain patient who requires opiates to ambulate regardless of whether or not im getting high on them.
 
I agree with sekio, but in case hes wrong:

No you cannot lower your tolerance and continue to "get that dreamy nod". The two are not compatible.

In this scenario you definitely cannot have your cake and eat it too. Stop using for X period and lower your tolerance, or keep using and not getting high.

Sorry its not what you wanted to hear.
 
You can get your opiate tolerance back to a level where you can actually use the pain medication as directed... but you're not going to be able to keep chasing the high as you have been.
 
the only way ive found to be able to take less morphine and catch a nod is take benzos.. but every time i take benzos i get in a shit load of trouble because i become extremely belligerent and violent. nowadays, for me, being violent can be a very dangerous situation because, due to my disability, i can't defend myself nor provide a valid offense anymore. just not the spry young fucker i used to be anymore. this whole situation has become such a bummer, because even after a year of not using i still could run through shit like grant through richmond.
 
I have an older friend that's in the same situation as you. His tolerance was up to around 240mg of oxycodone to get high, but lately he hasn't even felt a buzz off of that dose, so he is really bummed. He actually gives me some of them now because he knows that I can at least get high off of them, and he'd rather me get high from them instead of him taking them and feeling nothing. He says that he's lowered his dose for a few weeks and still couldn't gt that highl but he also takes a bunch of morphine on the days that he takes a lot less oxy.

In my experience, the most that you can get high in a week without tolerance rising to the point of not being able to get high anymore, is 2 times, but that's with using nothing on the other 5 days of the week, and spacing out the 2 highs a week by at least 2 days. Once a week is a lot more manageable, especially for a pain patient who is going to be taking some meds on the "off" days, and that's the most often I would suggest trying to get high.

Ideally you would take a 10-14 day break, but it seems that is not an option for you. So what I suggest is taking less medication than prescribed for 6 days a week, and then using the extras to get high once a week. At twice a week my tolerance stays about the same, but with once a week it drops a bit, but again that's with not using anything on off days. You've gotta use just enough to stay comfortable during the 6 days that you are not getting high, so your tolerance has a chance to drop. I've got my friend trying a break using Suboxone for a week, so we'll see how that helps with tolerance.
 
that might be my best option. try and take only like 200-300mg for a few days and then take that one day a week and add in all those missed mg plus my dose for the day lol. i wonder if i will be able to mentally do that. i cant even fathom taking only 2 or 3 shots a day. especially ones under 200mg
 
Damn, you are IVing those doses? Maybe just plug them on most days, and just IV on the 1 day a week you are getting high. I would try and get down to 200mg/day which you can taper down to. If you are on doses higher than that then it's going to be so hard to get high even if that's considered a lower dose for you.
 
o_O fuck man 200mg is like a single shot or less in my book. i know what ur saying tho if i could just taper down to a relatively low dose then once a week flood my system like niagra falls it would probably get me where i wanted to go. this morning i actually found myself catching a nod while typing a response to a different thread and was quite surprised, but i realized i had already done 490mg (my entire days dose) and id only been up 3 hours.
 
We don't currently have the technology to remove opiate tolerance, but I'm pretty sure it will become available in the next 10-15 years. So far humanity makes good progress towards a full understanding of the human genome. Tolerance is a natural process and like all natural processes, it can be removed or reverted.
 
ive decided im going to reduce my shots to a single cc. considering u can only fit 60mg/ml, that means dropping my shots to 60mg as well. besides, working with these 3ml and up syringes and 26 1/2 gauge needles is KILLING ME! i have no veins left to begin with so the few i have are being wrecked by those fuckers. if worst comes to worst and i wanted a bigger shot ill just register with 2 or 3 needles and leave em hanging then press em back to back.
 
ive decided im going to reduce my shots to a single cc. considering u can only fit 60mg/ml, that means dropping my shots to 60mg as well. besides, working with these 3ml and up syringes and 26 1/2 gauge needles is KILLING ME! i have no veins left to begin with so the few i have are being wrecked by those fuckers. if worst comes to worst and i wanted a bigger shot ill just register with 2 or 3 needles and leave em hanging then press em back to back.

Come on man. Im not here to judge, but after reading your original post and seeing what you've been through, there comes a time where you've really gotta consider a lifestyle change. Anyway, you would totally be fucking up your veins even more if you leave a few needles hanging in there while you register the next one, and you also run the risk of breaking the tip of one off like that.
 
lol it was a joke. id much rather use a 3ml than look like a pin cushion. i couldnt find three solid veins for the life of me in the first place. but honestly i just tried a 60mg shot for a change of pace and, yeah im not nodding and didnt feel much in the way of a rush but a few seconds of very light pins and needles in the top of my head... but i figure if i just lower it to maybe 5 of those little shots a day and stow away the extra 190mg from each days dose for a saturday or sunday once a week, i may be in better shape. that would leave me with a gram to do on saturday and get blown out.
 
ive decided im going to reduce my shots to a single cc. considering u can only fit 60mg/ml, that means dropping my shots to 60mg as well. besides, working with these 3ml and up syringes and 26 1/2 gauge needles is KILLING ME! i have no veins left to begin with so the few i have are being wrecked by those fuckers. if worst comes to worst and i wanted a bigger shot ill just register with 2 or 3 needles and leave em hanging then press em back to back.

Or, you could have a nano-wire implanted in your vein and hooked to a saline injection system with a huge monitor, where you can sit in your bed and dose up or down a selection of 32 drugs, with fully automated features like:

Welcome to HeroJect v.1.02!


Select Drug: [scroll down[^]
Select Dose: [scroll down[^]
Select Rate: [scroll down[^]mg/hour

[INJECT]

Program accepted!
Injecting 20mg of Heroin from 8:00am to 8:01am
Injecting 200mg of methamphetamine from 9:00am to 5:00pm
Injecting 70mg of methadone from 5:00pm to 9:00pm


Thank you for using HeroJect!
 
LOL. im a programmer by trade, anyone who wants to build the hardware for such a beast id be more than happy to work on the software end.

-11:11pm: PLEASE INSERT SUBSTANCE
-11:11pm: Substance identified, switching mode to HEROIN
-11:12pm: Preparing solution
-Filtering solution
-SOLUTION COMPLETE!
-11:13pm: Administering dose.....1..2..3
-11:13pm: Next scheduled dose, 12:13pm
 
LOL. im a programmer by trade, anyone who wants to build the hardware for such a beast id be more than happy to work on the software end.

-11:11pm: PLEASE INSERT SUBSTANCE
-11:11pm: Substance identified, switching mode to HEROIN
-11:12pm: Preparing solution
-Filtering solution
-SOLUTION COMPLETE!
-11:13pm: Administering dose.....1..2..3
-11:13pm: Next scheduled dose, 12:13pm

ya, there would be quite a few "if" loops lol

The problem occurs when the drug empties up and someone has to get out of bed, go earn a living and fill it back up lol
 
lol! imagine rolling around carrying a machine like that all day. "dude wtf is that?" "it's my iHigh. you just insert the drug u wish to inject and it identifies it, preps it, measures out your dose, and administers it! best thing i ever bought!"
 
for me, as a heroin addict all i have to do to lower my tolerance is use less. the great thing about opiates is how quickly tolerance goes down when you dont use them. maybe it seems that way to me because i am used to drugs like weed and benzos where tolerance is like a permanent thing, with benzos especially it can takes years for tolerance to go down. with heroin though, a week clean is enough to substationally lower your tolerance.
 
for me, as a heroin addict all i have to do to lower my tolerance is use less. the great thing about opiates is how quickly tolerance goes down when you dont use them. maybe it seems that way to me because i am used to drugs like weed and benzos where tolerance is like a permanent thing, with benzos especially it can takes years for tolerance to go down. with heroin though, a week clean is enough to substationally lower your tolerance.

Well it goes up just as fast as it goes down. That's why I suggested only using once a week, twice a week max. After a break the first high is usually awesome, but if you use on consecutive days your tolerance is back to what is was in a few short days. If you space your high out every 4 days though, then your tolerance doesn't really have a chance to build up much, and if you use once a week it usually stays the same without going up.
 
I get the best high, using every day. If I space out my use to twice a week, then yes my tolerance is low but I also get side effecits with the high like nausea and itching that make it somewhat less enjoyable. When I have a habit, I dont experience ANY side effects with my high except maybe a little itching.
 
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