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Heroin Saliva to Cotton to Blood Contamination? [IV Heroin]

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Someone helped me IV about 25 milligrams of heroin using a syringe and pulled the cotton from a cigarette out of the cigarette filter with his teeth. He then proceeded to filter the heroin through the cotton ball with my previously unused needle and then IV'ed me with the syringe. I do not know for sure whether or not he is clean. I have been sick before from hep C by sharing a needle, however my immune system cleared the virus without any interferon or ribvarin. I am wondering what the chances of contracting either HIV or hep C again are, as i am uneducated on the possibilities of transmission from saliva, to cotton, to blood.

Advice is appreciated, thank you, i have already spoken with my doctor and i would like to know the possibilities of infection.
 
HIV? Next to none. The virus is very fragile and usually a few minutes of exposure to light and air can kill it.

Hep C? A lot more than next to none....Im pretty sure you can get that sharing a razor or even a tooth brush.

Either way get tested, for both. And get a 2nd HIV test after 6 months (since it takes time for the virus to incubate and you could test negative today but positive in 6 months).

"Next to none" still is not "none". And HEP C, well thats not next to none anyway, so yeah. Dont wanna scare you, just shooting straight.
 
it was pretty quick, i didnt have much time to think about the fact that his saliva contaminated the cotton thank you for reply. what concerns me is how much saliva was on the cotton and whether or not there was blood in his saliva. i would say the heroin was filtered through the cotton within ten seconds. i am going to get blood work done i would just like to get some peace of mind.
 
any realistic probabilities? shared cigs and pipes with said person in past, he just got out of the hospital for infections and he says his bloodwork came back completely negative two times, i have been lied to before
 
mate, firstly, this is badddddd IV technique. dont use cottons from cigs and dont use them when pulled from a dirty cunt that you think might have HIV/AIDS/HEP.

use micron filters man. if you can afford H you can afford cheap, sterile filters.

the chances of AIDS are next to nil; especially since you dont know the person has it. excuse me, i'm off my tits on beer and lyrica. i digress: HEP C is very possible.

i'd get tested for both and if you insist on going down the pointless road of heroin addiction, use sterile shit: alcohol swabs, sterile filters, the lot!

hope you're ok man. chances are you are but get tested anyway.
 
While I agree that the chances of aids is very unlikely, I disagree that hep is as well. The common heps (B,C,D) are rarely transmittable through saliva, and though it was ripped with his teeth, I find it very unlikely that you would contract hep through that. The only way I see that being a serious threat would be if his mouth was bleeding.

Hep C is a tough virus and can stick around, but its unlikely in that small amount of touch to the filter (especially through saliva) that you would contract it. I would still go about getting tested, but again it's not as serious as some are making it out to be. My parent's both had hep c and I never contracted it sharing glasses, cigarettes, and the like.

Get tested, but don't shit your pants over it. I'd assume you'd be fine before I assumed that you actually picked up hepatitis. Also, never use cigarette filters as a dope filter. They work poorly and fray easily. Good chance you'd pick up cotton fever as well if you keep using cigarettes.
 
exactly hep c is a blood transmitted disease, while it is possible if had mouth sores or something its not very likely
 
You can get HEP C from sharing toothbrushes and razors. Unlikely but ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. Meaning its more than those odds that you'd get it from sharing IDU equipment.

Blood only? If the dudes got one cut in his mouth...comeon man think about this.

Get tested man. 1 person said "prob not hep c" and the other 9 are saying "def get tested". Dont use 1 persons agreement as justification of not getting tested. If you are gonna be sharing equipment you have a responsibility to not possibly infect others.
 
DooMMooD said:
You can get HEP C from sharing toothbrushes and razors. Unlikely but ENTIRELY POSSIBLE. Meaning its more than those odds that you'd get it from sharing IDU equipment.

Blood only? If the dudes got one cut in his mouth...comeon man think about this.

Get tested man. 1 person said "prob not hep c" and the other 9 are saying "def get tested". Dont use 1 persons agreement as justification of not getting tested. If you are gonna be sharing equipment you have a responsibility to not possibly infect others.
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Yea probably not hep C, it is extremely unlikely - Also, using razors facilitates open cuts a lot of times. That has nothing to do with saliva. And the thing you read about "Through toothbrushes" is because peoples gums bleed. It's not because of saliva and I even went and found the source you got it from:

http://www.cdc.gov/hepatitis/C/cFAQ.htm

Which says specifically "Sharing personal care items that may have come in contact with another person’s blood, such as razors or toothbrushes"

Also, I'd like to mention that only Hepatitis A & E are common through saliva and oral contraction, and those aren't the hepatitis that are common throughout the drug/junky/IV user world. Please go read up, there is not a single study that can post 100% for sure that someone contracted Hep C through saliva. It is extremely unlikely, and again I think I'm the only person here who has been living with people who have hep c for a long period of time (Over 10 years)

And again I've shared glasses, cigarettes, spoons, forks, bowls, joints, everything with my parents. Right now you have absolutely nothing to base your answer off of other than "Look what everyone else said!!"

And I still told him get tested as it is possible that he had a sore in his mouth. The chances of receiving HIV and Hepatitis C (which is the common one with drug users) is almost impossible - AND NOT TRANSMITTABLE THROUGH SALIVA- But others are. Thats why I told him
to still get tested. But No Hep C is not transmittable through saliva, no matter how many people in this thread come in here and say it is.

Also I'd like to mention that "The guy may have a cut in his mouth" is pretty unlikely. How often do you have a cut in your mouth? Not often I'm going to say unless you chew on razors. How long do they stay open for? Depends on severity, but not long. You know why? Because your mouth is the fastest healing part of your body. Just something to keep in mind.

Think about this for a moment:

He took the very edge of his teeth and bit off a piece of cotton filter. Most likely the act of his teeth touching it was less than 2 seconds at an area no larger than 3/4" long by 1/18" inch thick. Very unlikely that in that span, on that little space, that he would contract hep c. VERY unlikely unless the guy just got done screwin around with his mouth and it bleeding.

I'm not saying it isn't possible, but just like I actually said- It's Unlikely

One last time - Get tested, but don't shit your pants over it. It is unlikely and no matter what anyone in here tells you, the chances of Hep C is slim to none. The other heps are more commonly transmitted through saliva, but they aren't common at all in drug users.

Best of luck.
 
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Ok well I have a friend who just got HEP C so you keep saying "unlikely" thats not 0 sorry buddy.

Get tested. I guess the odds are low but theyre called odds for a reason: you can hit them. Just like someone hits the lotto every couple weeks.

And FYI I have cuts in my mouth a lot b/c I grind my teeth at night and it fucks with my gums/jaw. Plus the subs I take are not nice on the bottom of my tongue. Anyone with braces has cuts in their mouth. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BRUSH THEIR TEETH EVERY DAY HAS BLOODY GUMS! Anyone who uses a razor gets blood on it (even microscopically) at some point. Anyone who puts a straw too far up in their nose has blood on it.

Youre right, salivas not as big an issue. Its all the blood floating around in your mouth that is. Ever wonder why you take drugs sublingually? The veins are RIGHT FUCKING THERE.

See where i'm going with this? Anythings possible brah. Thats awesome you've shared all of that shit and dont have HEP C, good for you. My bud aint so lucky. IDK why youre saying "I have nothing to base my answer off of" when you in your same post talk about how it is possible but unlikely. Let me clarify: possible and unlikely coexist, thats the point; It can be both unfortunately.

And btw: if the OP DOES have hep C I will be taking a fat "I was wrong". Although I really hope he doesn't b/c no one should have fucking Hep. Which is why no one should be fucking stupid, and assume it cant happen to them.

I'm pretty sure everyone on this board has thought "That cant happen to me" at some point, no? See where that got us all, huh?
 
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I didnt think your immune system coudl straight up clear hep c with no meds? Is that true?
 
Had no idea, I was always told "hepatitis if for life".

edit: no wait that's "herpes is for life".
 
tricomb said:
Had no idea, I was always told "hepatitis if for life".

edit: no wait that's "herpes is for life".
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Yeah, I'd actually heard that about both HEP C and herpes, but it is not true for HEP C. With herpes it is true that the actual virus is never removed by the immune system, however many people never get any symptoms or some will get symptoms and then they clear up and never come back. Herpes is very common, lots of people don't even know they have it.
 
Is hepatitis C curable?

When a health care provider prescribes antiviral therapy for a person infected with hepatitis C virus, one of the goals is to reduce the person’s viral load (the amount of the virus present in the blood) to undetectable. If there is no measurable virus repeatedly in these people, they are considered to be “sustained viral responders”. Should treated individuals continue to be virus-free after repeat blood tests after two, three, five, and eight or more years, then specialists consider these people to be cured of hepatitis C.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hepc/faq-eng.php
 
DooMMood you will see my responses in Red. I didn't realize this got replied to but still you are not listening to what I'm saying.

DooMMooD said:
Ok well I have a friend who just got HEP C so you keep saying "unlikely" thats not 0 sorry buddy. Through a reused needle right? Not through saliva correct? This is 100% irrelevant. 100%

Get tested. I guess the odds are low but theyre called odds for a reason: you can hit them. Just like someone hits the lotto every couple weeks.
Not through saliva. And not hep c

And FYI I have cuts in my mouth a lot b/c I grind my teeth at night and it fucks with my gums/jaw. Plus the subs I take are not nice on the bottom of my tongue. Anyone with braces has cuts in their mouth. ANYONE WHO DOESN'T BRUSH THEIR TEETH EVERY DAY HAS BLOODY GUMS! Anyone who uses a razor gets blood on it (even microscopically) at some point. Anyone who puts a straw too far up in their nose has blood on it.

Youre right, salivas not as big an issue. Its all the blood floating around in your mouth that is. Ever wonder why you take drugs sublingually? The veins are RIGHT FUCKING THERE.

How often does your mouth bleed? My mouth bleeds maybe once every 6 months. Literally. I doubt that on a daily or monthly basis the consensus of people cut their mouths. I would venture to say it is somewhere near my time span over a 6 month period being 1 time. Also I never had a sub cut my mouth but that's a different subject in itself

See where i'm going with this? Anythings possible brah. Thats awesome you've shared all of that shit and dont have HEP C, good for you. My bud aint so lucky. IDK why youre saying "I have nothing to base my answer off of" when you in your same post talk about how it is possible but unlikely. Let me clarify: possible and unlikely coexist, thats the point; It can be both unfortunately.
Let me clarify - You CANNOT - repeat CANNOT - get hep c through saliva. 100% fact. And again what does your bud have to do with anything? I bet he shared a needle. He sure as hell didn't get it from kissing, sharing a cup, sharing spit in any shape or form am I correct?? I bet I am, so again your "Bud" is irrelevant....

Also honorable mention is the fact that the possibility of him getting hep c through saliva is 0.000% - Means 0 chance. "Just to clarify"...

And btw: if the OP DOES have hep C I will be taking a fat "I was wrong". Although I really hope he doesn't b/c no one should have fucking Hep. Which is why no one should be fucking stupid, and assume it cant happen to them.
So does that mean if he doesn't you will man up and say you were wrong? I doubt it. Your pride and blatant unwillingness to agree that it is close to impossible. All you keep saying is "WELL IT CAN STILL HAPPEN!"

It can happen only if all these factors are true:
1) The guy does in fact have Hep C (he said he was clean)
2) The guy has had Hep C for longer than 6-10 weeks (before that it cnnot be transmitted)
3) The guy's mouth was bleeding no longer than 4 days ago. Sometimes Hep can die as soon as a 1/2 of a day.
4) The guy's blood in his mouth would have had to have been on his front teeth, around the crest, the piece that digs into food
5) The blood would have had to have gotten onto the cotton from his teeth
6) When OP put his needle in the ctoon he would have had to suck up the hep virus in his needle

So in 1 giant "If this happened":: The guy would have to have had hep c, for a term no shorter than 6 weeks, he would have had to have cut his mouth within the last 4 days (or possibly as short as 12 hours before), the blood from the cut would have had to have come in contact with his front teeth, then it would have had to have been on the small area that is the crest of his teeth (bottom) where he bit into the cotton. After that it would have had to have been sucked up by the needle, and then placed into OPs arm.

Like I said, chances are slim to none. You can do the "Oh well ITS STILL POSSIBLE!!" all you want, but it is EXTREMELY unlikely, and you are scaring this guy over almost nothing. So you can say all you want "there is a chance!!!" but it is so small, so extremely small, that I am saying no, he definitely does not have it.


I'm pretty sure everyone on this board has thought "That cant happen to me" at some point, no? See where that got us all, huh?

What does that have to do with hep c? Sure maybe we said that, but that has no bearing on this guy having hepatitis c or not.
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Swimmingdancer said:
It happens quite often. Many of those people may not even realize they have had HEP C. Estimates place the rate of spontaneous resolution without treatment at between 10%-50%. http://books.google.ca/books?id=6G7mff5DnBQC&pg=PA4#v=onepage&q&f=false
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This is very true. It happened with my mother. Without meds though and it was right after she had liver failure it just disappeared. It was about as much a miracle that I could ever believe in (I really don't believe in "Miracles" but this is about as close as it gets)
 
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