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xFluid
06-05-2012, 22:03
Hi guys,

First off, I have been researching for 2 or 3 days now and have yet to find definite info, so i decided my best bet would be to make my own thread.

Secondly, I know this is a very dangerous drug. Especially for someone like me who does not get the chance to take opioids often and can feel very good of 25mg oxy. Please do not reply just saying to get rid of the Fentanyl, I am on this forum to find out how I can dose this while remaining as safe as possible.

I have acquired a Mylan Fentanyl Transdermal 75 mcg / hr (7.65mg total) patch. From what I hear my best best would be to place a small piece between my cheeck and gum.

I was going to go with cutting it in half 5 times. (1 = 3.825mg, 2 = 1.91mg, 3 = .956mg, 4 = .478mg, 5 = .239mg)

I am wondering if this dose of .239mg, placed in between my gum and lip like a dip for 15 minutes is going to be enough for me to feel good, as well as remain safe.

Thanks guys!

tricomb
06-05-2012, 22:23
239 micrograms would be more than twice what they would give a non-tolerant user in the hospital. For sedation purposes, usually they IV 100 micrograms.

Do not proceed. If you feel good off 25mg oxycodone, then I know you don't want to hear this, but take it from someone who's actually done fentanyl, extensively, if you like oxycodone's high, fentanyl is not the same. It is a very different state of intoxication, one will experience heavy sedation, and noticeable respiratory depression. What desired effects are you hoping to attain? Euphoria? There's no way you'll be able to enjoy the negligible euphoria when you're focusing on breathing.

Just because you have fentanyl, doesn't mean you should use it. Especially someone without the proper tolerance.
It is written directly on the patch "NOT FOR ACUTE OR POSTOPERATIVE PAIN"

Also, in bold letters, ATTENTION: ONLY FOR USE BY PATIENT FOR WHOM PRESCRIBED. This is for a reason. The patch is designed to release 75 micrograms per hour, yet you plan to dose 239 micrograms all at once? What makes you you think you're invincible?

xFluid
06-05-2012, 22:34
239 micrograms would be more than twice what they would give a non-tolerant user in the hospital. For sedation purposes, usually they IV 100 micrograms.

Do not proceed. If you feel good off 25mg oxycodone, then I know you don't want to hear this, but take it from someone who's actually done fentanyl, extensively, if you like oxycodone's high, fentanyl is not the same. It is a very different state of intoxication, one will experience heavy sedation, and noticeable respiratory depression. What desired effects are you hoping to attain? Euphoria? There's no way you'll be able to enjoy the negligible euphoria when you're focusing on breathing.

Just because you have fentanyl, doesn't mean you should use it. Especially someone without the proper tolerance.
It is written directly on the patch "NOT FOR ACUTE OR POSTOPERATIVE PAIN"

Also, in bold letters, ATTENTION: ONLY FOR USE BY PATIENT FOR WHOM PRESCRIBED. This is for a reason. The patch is designed to release 75 micrograms per hour, yet you plan to dose 239 micrograms all at once? What makes you you think you're invincible?

Ahh, it's just that I paid up the ass for this one opioid. It's the only thing I could get! Should I cut off an even smaller piece, or even just cut the patch up into 4 pieces (maybe more?) and apply to my skin and use as directed?

muvolution
06-05-2012, 22:41
You will die.

Fent is not prescriped to non-tolerant or lightly tolerant users. There is no way to use this drug safely, especially for recreational purposes.

A quick browse through the shrine turned up these:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/462435-RIP-PhreeX
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/294874-Please-keep-Fairnymph-in-your-thoughts-and-prayers-(RIP-Ryan)?highlight=fentanyl
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/283808-RIP-staypuft?highlight=fentanyl

There's more, but I feel pretty crass posting these. Its like you asking us how to safely shoot yourself in the head.

tricomb
06-05-2012, 22:49
Exactly. If you paid a lot for a patch, make it be a learning experience. One where you live to learn the experience. I'd dispose of it in the proper packaging.

You are better off with no opioids, than with fentanyl, especially in terms of recreational abuse in non-tolerant users.

xFluid
07-05-2012, 03:01
Awhh... Really not the reply I was hoping for. But if there really is no way for me to dose it I suppose I am better off safe than sorry. Thanks guys

tricomb
07-05-2012, 03:27
Honestly, trade it for a drug worth your time. I would feel super guilty trading it though, I probably couldn't do it knowing what could happen to that person.

Diloadid
07-05-2012, 03:31
fentanyl, IME, is a latch ditch effort at keeping an opiate expense low. It runs fairly rampant in my area, and cheap too. Most people that can't afford their oxy addiction turn to fentanyl to maintain. If you get high off of 25mg oxy, .230mg would destroy you.

80mg
07-05-2012, 03:35
Ya bro. Let's put it this way. I banged 13 roxy 30mgs in under 2 hours once...I would NOT iv feth or even try it. Ever. Too much. Just sell the dam n thing and get soem oxys.

xFluid
07-05-2012, 04:00
Not a chance I could sell it after all the research i've done. I'm honestly surprised the guy sold the 2 patches to me without warning. All he said was to put the patch on and take it off after 10 hours. It's going in the garbage if I can't find a safe way to dose!

muvolution
07-05-2012, 04:11
You would absolutely be dead if you put a patch on. Could you return them?

xFluid
07-05-2012, 04:13
You would absolutely be dead if you put a patch on. Could you return them?

I cannot. Would I not be safe if I just cut it in half 6 times? About .117mg and putting between cheek and gum?

muvolution
07-05-2012, 04:31
The problem with fentanyl is that it doesn't feel like other opiates. There is no euphoria, so you never really "feel it" hence people try small doses like that and it doesn't really hit them so they take a bit more... and well, you go from not feeling it to not breathing with very little indication.

I don't like "dicksizing" but to put this in context, last time I shot up was 60mg of oxymorphone (equivalent to eating like 7-800mg oxycodone), and I would never touch fent.


Conclusion: taking just a little bit 25-50mcg bucally is a bad idea because the euphoria will be shit and you won't feel it, so your confidence will encourage you to double up, and that could very easily be too much.

Ms.Martini
07-05-2012, 04:41
can anyone give me a good fentanyl dose when a tolerence of banging 80 mg of oxies? and i'll probably be banging the fentalyn as well.

muvolution
07-05-2012, 05:06
Did you miss the rest of this thread?

How do you plan to measure out a microgram amount of a substance extracted from a patch in unknown quantities?

you know what .1 of dope looks like? Well a safe dose of fentanyl is 1/2500 that size.

tricomb
07-05-2012, 05:16
Seriously, are we all missing the moral to the story? Do you want us to start talking about loved ones who died using this drug? What will it take?

Do. not. proceed. If you're going to go against the advice of everyone, No matter the ROA I wouldn't dose more than 25micrograms. IMO, if you can, 12.5micrograms would be safer, but who the fuck are we kidding, you can't accurately measure doses this low. This is why there's almost no point in us giving you a dosage, if you can't measure it.

Fentanyl is not any good recreationally. The only way we can prove this is by giving advice based on our experiences, including those experiences passed on to us by those who have died and cannot physically tell you not to do it.

BiggDirty01
07-05-2012, 06:43
And take it from a very seasoned opiate user who just went through way TOO much IV Fentanyl via a PCA-- It did not produce 1 second of euphoria, left my receptors fried and me hallucinating from its toxicity in my body.

Definitely not your worth; You have something of enormous trade value...like others said acquire an opiate worth your while.

Tripman
07-05-2012, 06:57
The problem with dosing fentanyl in this way (placing a small piece of the patch in your mouth) is that many users will "nod off" while it's still in their mouth. They continue to absorb whatever is left on the piece in their mouth and they die.

It's not what you wanted to hear but the posts in this thread are correct - there is no safe way to dose fentanyl outside of a hospital setting or as otherwise advised by a licensed medical practitioner.

JasNod
07-05-2012, 07:01
The best way I've found to do fentanyl is smoking it. I scrape off the adhesive with a razor blade, or put a small piece of the patch on foil with pliers holding the corner, run a flame under the foil for less than a second, and pull off with the pliers instantly. I'm not saying you should do fentanyl, but it sounds like you're going to no matter what anyone says. If you do do this, start with a TINY piece. Scrape off some adhesive and start with literally the smallest piece you can cut off just in case. Once again, I'm not saying you should do fentanyl, but if you decide to, start as small as possible. In my experience, the nods can be pretty scary sometimes. I've caught myself not breathing nodding on fentanyl. It's a very very dangerous drug. The problem with fentanyl isn't just how small the doses are, it's the fact that you have far more of a CNS depressant effect for less of a high. BE CAREFUL! Also, fentanyl withdrawal is the worst acute withdrawal I have ever experienced, and you build a tolerance quick. I went from making a 100mcg Duragesic (16.8mg) last a week, to going through 3 or 4 patches a day in a matter of weeks. Also keep in mind that if you decide to smoke adhesive, well... you'll be smoking adhesive. I can't imagine smoking silicone to be healthy. Take care, don't give any to your friends. Do NOT sell it unless you know the person can handle it.

Also, all that being said, fentanyl is one of my favorite drugs due to what I pay for it. I get at LEAST 30x the uses for the same dollar amount paid for roxis.

Tripman
07-05-2012, 07:06
The best way I've found to do fentanyl is smoking it. I scrape off the adhesive with a razor blade, or put a small piece of the patch on foil with pliers holding the corner, run a flame under the foil for less than a second, and pull off with the pliers instantly. I'm not saying you should do fentanyl, but it sounds like you're going to no matter what anyone says. If you do do this, start with a TINY piece. Scrape off some adhesive and start with literally the smallest piece you can cut off just in case. Once again, I'm not saying you should do fentanyl, but if you decide to, start as small as possible. In my experience, the nods can be pretty scary sometimes. I've caught myself not breathing nodding on fentanyl. It's a very very dangerous drug. The problem with fentanyl isn't just how small the doses are, it's the fact that you have far more of a CNS depressant effect for less of a high. BE CAREFUL! Also, fentanyl withdrawal is the worst acute withdrawal I have ever experienced, and you build a tolerance quick. I went from making a 100mcg Duragesic (16.8mg) last a week, to going through 3 or 4 patches a day in a matter of weeks. Also keep in mind that if you decide to smoke adhesive, well... you'll be smoking adhesive. I can't imagine smoking silicone to be healthy. Take care, don't give any to your friends. Do NOT sell it unless you know the person can handle it.

Also, all that being said, fentanyl is one of my favorite drugs due to what I pay for it. I get at LEAST 30x the uses for the same dollar amount paid for roxis.

He has the mylan patches. These can not be smoked.

tricomb
07-05-2012, 07:11
T-man, I bet you'd be surprised to learn people do it anyways >_<. like smoking oxycontin.

"The best way I've found to do fentanyl is smoking it". Harm reduction it's finest. *facepalm*.

I found myself not breathing on fentanyl too, and I wasn't even nodding. I'd just catch myself holding my breath for like over 30 seconds, and having ppl tell me "You look blue". I used to smoke the sandoz gels =\ And although yes, you have fast onset so you can gauge your high, what if you do too much at once? faster onset isn't going to help you in that situation.

Flabu
07-05-2012, 07:21
I work at a hospital folks, and let me tell you, on every narcotic locker in the place there is a giant poster on it. The poster says FENTANYL in large capital letters, it says its a VERY HIGH RISK DRUG in capital red letters. Then it proceeds to say ONLY DISPENSE THIS DRUG TO PATIENTS WHO HAVE TAKEN OPIATES FOR AT LEAST A WEEK AND THEY ARE NOT EFFECTIVE. It also gives a bunch of guidelines on dispensing the drug.


My point being, the shit you have OP is not meant to be played around with by non tolerant users. Please for the love of god just eat your mistake and maybe save the patch, use your oxy for awhile and then maybe try a little piece. Thats the best advice I can give other than throwing the thing away.

JasNod
07-05-2012, 07:25
T-man, I bet you'd be surprised to learn people do it anyways >_<. like smoking oxycontin.

"The best way I've found to do fentanyl is smoking it". Harm reduction it's finest. *facepalm*.

I found myself not breathing on fentanyl too, and I wasn't even nodding. I'd just catch myself holding my breath for like over 30 seconds, and having ppl tell me "You look blue". I used to smoke the sandoz gels =\ And although yes, you have fast onset so you can gauge your high, what if you do too much at once? faster onset isn't going to help you in that situation.
I don't smoke pills. I didn't say I condone smoking fentanyl, but it seems to be safer than buccal in my opinion. You can start with a tiny amount and feel the effects almost instantly until you get a feel for the drug. I said plenty of times that it's dangerous, but it sounds to me like the OP is going to do the Fentanyl regardless of what anyone says. I also said that smoking it is probably terrible for your health. I was just throwing in my experience. I've never got the Mylan brand, but I can personally vouch that smoking the Duragesic ones are VERY effective. There is no way I've been feeling placebo nods and withdrawals for this long.

Tripman
07-05-2012, 07:26
Regardless of that. The mylan patches still can not be smoked.

Tripman
07-05-2012, 07:54
This thread is about fentanyl.

Off topic posts have been removed.

80mg
07-05-2012, 07:57
I think this thread has MORE than served it's purpose.

You get the point original poster. Don't do it. If you wish to destroy them...hey, great. But getting your cash back is even better.

I would advise you to sell them, but in the sake of harm reduction we don't want you going around with shady people!


If you ever (I hope not) get a SERIOUS addiction like sniffing 160nmg or banging oxys or high does of opanas...maybe consider it. But me...PERSONALLY...I never have, never will,and never considered doing that shit. Almost no euphoria.

JasNod
07-05-2012, 08:03
If you sell them, PLEASE be careful to who. Fentanyl is extremely dangerous and it kills people all the time.

80mg
07-05-2012, 08:06
If you sell them, PLEASE be careful to who. Fentanyl is extremely dangerous and it kills people all the time.

Seriously...I'm SHOCKED the guy didn't even give you a heads up. PRobably stoned. Even back in the DAY when I was...not a very good person...I'd give people the heads up with MUCH lower (in order of dangerous) opiates. I don't need that on my mind.

Tripman
07-05-2012, 08:17
If we could have less talk of selling drugs that would be fantastic. Section one of the blua covers discussion of illegal activity.

80mg
07-05-2012, 08:19
I think this thread has MORE than served it's purpose.

You get the point original poster. Don't do it. If you wish to destroy them...hey, great. But getting your cash back is even better.

I would advise you to sell them, but in the sake of harm reduction we don't want you going around with shady people!


If you ever (I hope not) get a SERIOUS addiction like sniffing 160nmg or banging oxys or high does of opanas...maybe consider it. But me...PERSONALLY...I never have, never will,and never considered doing that shit. Almost no euphoria.


If we could have less talk of selling drugs that would be fantastic. Section one of the blua covers discussion of illegal activity.

Was just saying how surprised I am that someone didnt even warn him when selling them to him. Geez.

Tripman
07-05-2012, 08:21
I wasn't referring to your post then. The ones advising him to.

ChristmasTime
10-05-2012, 19:43
239 micrograms? Crazy. My experience with Fent may help or not but I was on a 150mg oral Oxy and day for 3 years with Hydro and ony other opiate I could find. My Dr. gave me the 25mcG patchs first to try and I just wore the thing like you are supposed to do and let me tell you it rocked my ass. It took a little bit for it to get in the bloodstream but when it did I floated for 3 days. I may not have have the highest opiate tolerance in here but I can tell you that if your tolerence is anything close to "normal".. you know back when you could get a buzz on a couple of schoolbuses. Later..

DooMMooD
11-05-2012, 01:43
The fentanyl dosage for someone with little to no opiate tolerance would be: none.

I did ungodly amounts of opana (sometimes 200mgs+ a day) and fentanyl still scared me. Even at that peak of opana usage, I never had a desire to fuck with fent, nor DID I when it was offered to me. Now, with some time off I wouldn't even THINK about fucking with it, and this is coming from someone with a (probably permanent) tolerance built in from years of opiate abuse, a year specifically being opana, and now 6 months on suboxone. 6 months of suboxone maintenance and i STILL wouldn't fuck with fentanyl, and I"m in a position where I (probably) wouldn't die.

Someone with 0 tolerance and little to no experience...shouldn't even be considering this. Mooc.

muvolution
11-05-2012, 02:44
You were all warned once. No price discussion, advice to sell drugs, or break the law are allowed here.

KeyMiNDer
19-07-2014, 19:14
This was the last post of xFluid(the guy who whanted to try and started this thread)...

it was is first...but it was is last

wowe...peace

pinpoint
19-07-2014, 19:48
I always wonder about these kind of 'last known post' where the person is asking about something risky then goes missing. :\

There was a guy who was CT'ing 50mg/day of alprazolam and I thought for sure he was a dead man, but he came back to update the thread a year later after seizures and hospital stays. Those kind of threads bother me as you never quite get closure even though 'it's just another guy on the internet'..

KeyMiNDer
28-07-2014, 10:16
I can see how dangerous it is...
After going all around the net gathering info on this compound, my roomate insisted to try.Without a high tolerance to OP...so he started slow(sublingualy,smoking it would have require tools that werent available)
...and after several attemp to get high off the thing the right dosage apperred...and as soon as he comedown he was convince that...WE HAD TO MAKE THE OTHER PATCH DISAPEAR before beeing stuck wjth a serious addiction.
So if you are stuborn and still wanna try the compound(even witout high tolerance) INFORM YOURSELF Go Slow and try not beeing alone