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Hiltoniano
05-01-2013, 05:58
Honestly smokemctoke, only you can tell us which feels similar to oxy, because all vendors are different. Also how much tolerance do you have to opiates? and a final notes, the packaging should be discreet enough if your vendor is legit.

Mafila
05-01-2013, 08:08
Can someone tell me the recommended first-time dosage when using extract? I'm going to a smoke shop tomorrow to try this stuff as I'll be detoxing from Suboxone while having to work for the next three days, including two days graveyard shift. They said they have the extract but I don't know whether or not they have the leaf, if they do then I will get the leaf since that's what most people on here are recommending.

Hopefully I'll be able to try it out without spending more than twenty bucks, and it will work well and quell my withdrawals, that's my hope. I know that the local smoke shop will charge a substantial amount more than online vendors, but ordering it online right now doesn't help me with my work situation.

RobotRipping
05-01-2013, 09:00
don't bother with a smoke shop unless they have a solid supplier and always import fresh kratom and extract it's likely to be completely useless.

starting dose for an extract depends on the strength of the extract and what kind of extract it is as well

Mafila
05-01-2013, 09:13
don't bother with a smoke shop unless they have a solid supplier and always import fresh kratom and extract it's likely to be completely useless.

starting dose for an extract depends on the strength of the extract and what kind of extract it is as well

Damn, it's really my only shot to at least partially relieve my withdrawals at work. I haven't tried Lope due to not wanting to risk destroying my GI tract. I'll give the smoke shop a shot anyway, hopefully it's halfway decent and it works.

5StarSquatHotel
05-01-2013, 12:28
anyone a fan of the resin? i have tried several strains of leaf but have found the 20x resin to be the strongest and best value for money and no to mention easiest to dose with. is it really 20 times stronger than the leaf though?

Smokey_McPot
05-01-2013, 18:42
i have found the smoke shop around here sells decent kratom. i usually stick to either maeng da or bali, around here they come in 15g bags of crushed leaf so you can mix and match to figure out which works best for you. i would advise giving the crushed or powdered leaf a try before the extracts though.

RobotRipping
06-01-2013, 02:07
anyone a fan of the resin? i have tried several strains of leaf but have found the 20x resin to be the strongest and best value for money and no to mention easiest to dose with. is it really 20 times stronger than the leaf though?

what 20x means is that 20 grams of leaf went into making 1 gram of extract. So it's not quite 20x stronger but it's certainly stronger than plain leaf. I never liked the resins personally, i like UEI, SEM much better. I find you need at least a bit of leaf left over to get the full spectrum effects. I've been wanting to try FST (full spectrum tincture) from a good vendor for a while as i hear it is 'the best' but i've had it once and it didn't do much of anything. It's also expensive as fuck.

truvision
06-01-2013, 03:49
So, I know this has been discussed on here before but havnt read the whole thread,Im going to start trying to read it tomorrow. I also posted this in the BDD so hope Im not breaking any rules but it was suggested that it might be better to post here as well. If my other post needs moved feel free to move it but anyways I wanted to try and get some new fresh opinions on this....

I have been to another forum that is very knowledgeable about kratom but they have rules that make me nervous that Im going to post my question the wrong way so thought Id try here first. I have had a long past with opiate addiction and anxiety and have recently been using kratom daily now to aid these two things for the past month or so. I know if I stop Im most def going to get withdrawals and have been delaying the inevitable, but what has happened was that I have noticed that it is a really big help for anxiety, depression and opiate cravings.

I was planning on tapering off bit by bit, but wanted to get some thoughts on whether it would be safe to stay on a daily low dose. I have been taking about 3 teaspoons daily and would think if I want to stay on it safely that I should most likely taper my dose down even lower.

So my question is, any thoughts on daily kratom use and does that seem to be safe or has anyone done this on here for any length of time without any ill side effects? If so, then what are the thoughts on how much would be best to keep it at. Of course, if anyone thinks daily kratom is not safe Id like to hear that as well. Thanks!

FlawedByDesign
06-01-2013, 11:26
Ive been using daily for 6 months with out any negative side effects. I would say to try stay under an ounce a day. Less is more, I try my best not to dose until im in withdrawls.

voxmystic
06-01-2013, 15:19
I've been using kratom for a couple of months, and and i'm a big fan! So far, I like mixing with yogurt best, and but I read on another forum that dairy products dampen the buzz. Since I'm such a noob to the plant (one order, one vendor), I don't really know a strong effect from a weak one. Has anyone else noticed that?

truvision
06-01-2013, 15:35
Hmmm, about how much is an ounce teaspoon wise? Ive heard a teaspoon is about 5 grams , does that sound about right? I think Im going to go ahead and order a grans scale just in case.Ive let my intake get a little too high I think( at least 3 teaspoons a day) and I think Im def going to come off of it as just recenlty Ive been noticing some blood pressure issues and the odd thing is it seems to be happening from the very first teaspoon. Has anyone heard of that before? I only drink one cup of coffee in the morning but I think Im gonna have to cut that out for a while as well. I dont know its just starting to make me feel odd and even having withdrawals in the middle of the night.

I hope I will even be able to taper off of it as the way Im suddenly feeling Im just not so sure.After thinking about it at least for me, I dont think its good for me to be taking anything everyday if I have to. Im kind of really sensitive to stuff and can easily let it get out of hand.I can see where one ounce however, would be just fine for most. Wish I had just kept it there but then again thats just me and I should have known better, hhe.

amanitadine
06-01-2013, 17:10
Depends on your grind. The usual micro grind from a domestic supplier is 7g to the T, so roughly 2.3-2.5 g per t. I've been taking kratom (7 T every 4 hours, sometimes I wake up and take half a T, sometimes I sleep through the night) so around 35-40 g a day. For 15 months. Well, ive begun a taper recently to try and stop, but those numbers were consistent for at least 12 months. More the first, getting off thensub, and less the last. No negative effects, save for physical addiction, and plenty of positive effects, like getting me off a multi year suboxone habit, and touching no opiates since. No effect of BP here, or BSL (I measure both multiple times daily for personal reasons) and all that extra fiber prevents me from getting constipated, quite the contrary. Just gotta drink Hella water, which is good for everything. :)

Stay away from headshop kratom. This is why kratom will be scheduled. And it is WAY overpriced and often garbage. Very easy to get quality kratom overnighted, and still get a way better deal.

Mixing with yogurt impedes absorption due to the fats in yogurt. Try non fat, or the most economy, do a toss and wash. It's easier than you think. Empty stomach (this includes non fat yogurt, anything) really aids absorption. Or make a tea, but drink the grounds. Kratom is a godsend for many, and it's days are numbered due to greedy bastards making OTC sales. Do your part.

Bali is most consistent for me. Some extracts are good, some crap. The really good ones are semi-synthetic and will send your tolerance through the roof. Plus they cost an arm and a leg. Stick with the supercritical CO2 extracted ones with the natural ratio of mitragynine to 7-OH still intact. These keeps the "ceiling effect" in play. Gold Reserve is a good example, If you wanna get high as fuck, use the ones where mitragynine has been converted to 7-OH, and the ratio has been altered so there isn't really a ceiling effect anymore. UEI and FST are examples here. Buyer beware however.

Good luck. Kratom tapering is easy, but the kick off higher amounts isn't as benign as some say. Depends on your opiate history though. 3 t a day (not T) is small, and withdrawal shouldn't be too bad. And with kratom it is over fast, especially if you haven't been at it for eons.

Cheers.

truvision
06-01-2013, 21:00
Hey amanitadine, thanks you sound like you really know your kratom.=D Im glad to hear about your experiences esp since youve been taking it for a while. I have gotten my krat from some really top notch places on line and there was no comparison between the headshop crap and the good online vendors. You are so right, the headshops are insanly over priced! Problem is, I think this one place I got it from(and I usually only stick to Bali or Indo no enhanced or extracts) is almost too strong for me even though it is just plain ground bali.

I am now at about 3 teaspoons, at the very most 4 per day, but either its too strong, too high of an amount for me personally, or maybe my body is suddenly forming some sort of an aversion to it. Just in the last two days Ive had to cut my dose down to 1/2 teaspoon at a time because of this and Ive still been having some really bad BP issues right after I take it. It totally sucks because school is about to start and I REALLY dont wanna go through CT withdrawals.

The thing with me is that although krat withdrawals are usually pretty easy for most people, like you mentioned could make some peoples worse is that I have really abused opiates including H in the past. It seems all it takes is a few uses of ANYTHING for me to set paws off all oevr again. :X So thats why I always seem to get stuck on it. I do have clonidine I can use if it gets bad that was prescribed for me for anxiety but I know if the BP keeps up thats not good and that why I am trying to procede with the taper as fast as possible. I just HOPE the bp eases up and I will still be able to taper.

Like you said, I have also found water helps alot.You know something else thats weird, I read the study about the kratom eaters in Thailand and how one thing it caused was skin darkening over time.. well in the short period Ive been using it I swear I think Ive seen that happen a couple of times on my cheeks( but it went away so not sure). I know Im sensitive but crap thats kinda ridiculous. Its good to hear the tapering has worked for you.I guess tomorrow I will start with only a quarter teaspoon when needed and NO caffeine and keep my fingers crossed.Does that plan sound rational? What do you think about me maybe finding a super relaxing strain like tranquil indo or something else taper from? Its frustrating cause its hard to know what your getting with the different consitency with vendors and all.

CRAP, sorry I got back and posted twice here but it looks like I am going to have to come off of this stuff the hard way!I have only had one and a half teaspoons today and although I dont have a bp machine the clonidine does bring me MUCH closer to baseline but a couple hours after it starts wearing off it starts creeping back up. The feeling is just a super irritable, exhausted, stressed out, cracked out feeling that grows more and more intense no matter if I take more or not and starts from the very first dose.

Does anyone know maybe a good watered down tincture of kratom that might help make the next few days more bearable? I would think that maybe a quarter teaspoon diluted in some water maybe taken every couple hours wouldnt do me that bad and would make what Im about to go through a little better but who knows. This sucks! Btw, it got so bad I had to go puke for the second time today from BP issues and it all calmed down right after that.

drewbocop
07-01-2013, 00:15
I've experiemented and used on the regular Kratom since 2008. Has any one else noticed that over time it seems to dull the effects of ALL drugs? (Minus psychs, that's actually great fun.) I swear, nothing works anymore and I've used less drugs this year and last than the 10 before it. What gives? I use regular Bali 15-30 grams per day. Any one?

truvision
07-01-2013, 20:45
Hey dbcop, I will say that kratom has been known to dull other opiates for sure. Tabs dont even work for the first few days I take them after kratom. It also seems to overpower gabergics to a great extent for me at least as well. Dont know about the rest though.

I thought Id post an up date to what may have been going on with me and my BP..a few weeks ago I quit smoking and started on nicotine gum.. well because nicotine gum tends to stay in your body much longer than regular cigarettes and is a stimulant as well as the coffee that I was drinking I think thats what has been combining with the Kratom and raising my BP. Since I laid off the gum its not nearly as bad although I am still only able to take one quarter teaspoon at a time. Just goes to show that there are many variables that make a drug safe or not.. time weve been on it, previous history and what else were taking it with!

Hiltoniano
07-01-2013, 22:58
I think Kratom goes well as a synergistic drug with most of my DOC's which are mainly cannabis, benzos( alprazolam), and mushrooms. All 3 combos of Kratom+drug equals awesomeness. With shrooms it adds a cushion of mental calmness to help the trip stay positive. With weed it helps get the heavy body buzz I can't get from maryjane alone anymore (tolerance....). And with benzos it becomes like a more traditional opiod like morphine because it takes the stimulating aspect away mostly. Remember this is just MY experience, YMMV.

Snake_Eyes
08-01-2013, 06:01
For some reason for me using small doses of kratom 2-3 times a week for a couple weeks and then taking a week off before taking opiates make them work so much better (euphoria wise).

drewbocop
10-01-2013, 08:38
I agree with all of your posts... especially about it weakening drugs that work on GABA. I'm tapering off clonazepam 2mg/day and I take a shit load of gabapentin because of nerve damage in my neck and it REALLY helps even with the rapid tolerance it still just helps. It kills my headaches too. But the benzos I think I'm permafucked tolerance-wise any way. I don't know, kratom sure is interesting. I'd love to see more research. I saw a video somewhere yesterday about some actually positive research being done on mitragynine and 7-hydroxy...

Edit: Yes, the calmness and synergy kratom brings with psychedelics is amazing. A cure. Almost indescribable, it seems they were almost made for each other. Regarding your basic few natural psychs, anyway.

cpuller
11-01-2013, 21:16
Does anybody know the strain filippino mambog?

podsnomo
12-01-2013, 06:50
Does anybody know the strain filippino mambog?

never heard of it. and i been around the kratom for too long. which likely means it's a gimmick or BS. but who knows.

try this:
http://bit.ly/WzgU3i

slimshady793
12-01-2013, 07:04
hey guys,

can anybody tell me if kratom helps during a benzo withdrawal? Just looking for a moodlift and something against anxiety. I have some kratom, but wasn't sure if I should try it

THCified
12-01-2013, 12:57
Kratom is just so unbelievable good in relieving pain, it's almost crazy. There are no side effects and i've found it much better/effective in this regard than any synthetic opioid like Tilidine or Tramadol, which i'm getting via prescription.

Fresco
12-01-2013, 17:17
Kratom is just so unbelievable good in relieving pain, it's almost crazy. There are no side effects and i've found it much better/effective in this regard than any synthetic opioid like Tilidine or Tramadol, which i'm getting via prescription
What pain are you taking it for??

THCified
12-01-2013, 20:07
Mostly for nerve pains in my lower extremities, but i'm taking it also recreationally of course ;)

Wolfmans_BrothEr
17-01-2013, 06:36
Is kratom the same as traditional opiates when it comes to onset of withdrawal?

I know rule of thumb for things like oxy and h is withdrawal will start around 24hrs after last dose. Does this hold true for kratom as well?

Hiltoniano
17-01-2013, 19:24
I would say the WD of kratom are different than normal opiates, as long as you are dosing less than an ounce a day, the WD are more like powerful cannabanoid (sp?) WD than typical opiate WD, maybe a little more severe. I have had the luck to never become dependent on kratom, as long as you dont dose more than 4/7 days a week, it seems to manage itself nicely. I still take doses of about 7gs, and this gets me high everytime.

th3 s1aught3r
25-01-2013, 21:55
Just got some plain Bali leaf and was wondering the best method to take it. Bear in mind I have tried the tea before and found it too be to hard to take, taste wise
So wondering if there are alternatives to tea any good ?

Hiltoniano
26-01-2013, 20:38
Yogurt, mix up to 7g in a cup, but anything over 4g/yogurt will have a strong Kratom taste, not bad texture though mix it completely in. Then when eatin it just put a glob of yogurt in ur mouth and swallow it quickly as a glob. Use a chaser if neccesary, I don't need one but oj works to counter the bitterness.

kanyeknievel
28-01-2013, 22:55
Hi,

So I was wondering. Today is day 9 of no Suboxone. I have been doing great, the worst day.. which weren't even bad.. were day 3-5 .. and I've been taking Kratom obviously.

I was taking Suboxone for about a year I would say.. I'm not sure exactly but I'll go with an estimate of that. I was at like 8mg at the start, then I was at 1mg - 1.5 mg before I had to get films and then I had to take 2mg . I was taking 2mg for like 2 months or less and I was just curious as to when I'll be fine? I would presume about 2 weeks , but I don't know. I don't want to read up on it because I did once and there was wildly different answers.

Thank you :)

kanyeknievel
28-01-2013, 22:57
Yogurt, mix up to 7g in a cup, but anything over 4g/yogurt will have a strong Kratom taste, not bad texture though mix it completely in. Then when eatin it just put a glob of yogurt in ur mouth and swallow it quickly as a glob. Use a chaser if neccesary, I don't need one but oj works to counter the bitterness.

7g always gets you high? What strain is it that you take? 7g hasn't ever gotten me high, even though that's not what I am looking for. But maybe you have been taking Kratom to take Kratom and not for suboxone / opiate withdrawal and that is why, or maybe not

Need4speed
28-01-2013, 22:58
these caps are getting costly and sitting there for 20 minutes opeining them is getting tiredsome!!!!

Need4speed
29-01-2013, 04:13
what FORM IS better to buy

crushed leaf or powder???

Fresco
29-01-2013, 04:24
Powder.

Just dissolve 3 grams into hot water and drink up

Need4speed
29-01-2013, 04:32
Powder.

Just dissolve 3 grams into hot water and drink up

ok, i have a ton more reading to do on kratom but i love it, i odnt see myself getting off it anytime soon

Psycho.nova
29-01-2013, 05:40
Im taking kratom experimentally. In line with all the other sheezee. Jogging. Eating laboriously. Reading good logos, and im hoping i'll grow wings soon enough and transcend

Fire&Water
29-01-2013, 05:46
Maybe want to think about stocking up...Feds' are starting to stick their noses in. Bath salts are #1 on the list - thank Dog... but Kratom probably isnt far behind.

Snake_Eyes
29-01-2013, 06:44
7g always gets you high? What strain is it that you take? 7g hasn't ever gotten me high, even though that's not what I am looking for. But maybe you have been taking Kratom to take Kratom and not for suboxone / opiate withdrawal and that is why, or maybe not


I can get a nice buzz from 3grams. Nothing major but still gives me a nice feel good before work.

Professer
29-01-2013, 06:57
Some of you guys must not use this very regularly, 3gram highs and all. I first found kratom 1.5 or 2 years ago, started using it beacuse I've always really liked opiates now and again. I could never stand taking opiates more than 1 or 2 days consecutively though. By day 2 or 3 all the negative effects had compiled so much I just hate the shit for the time being (opi rage, rash/dry skin on face from the itch... I'd make sure to just very light touch my face and be gentle but even then my skin gets fucked up from that). I guess that's a good thing.

This isn't the case with kratom though. Originally I was burning it recreationally and it aided me in letting go of a heavy pot smoking habbit I had for a while since highshool. Enjoyed it for a while, kinda pushed my limits to see where WDs and everything begins so I know what's what. Got to that point, kinda sucked and wasnt worth building more tolearnce, and I just gradually burned less then had a good idea of my limits with kratom.

Eventually, a year later, I developed some serious constant back pain as a result from gaming addiction. I used to live solely for online games, and would sit and play 5-10+ hours a day for around 6 years. Sitting slumped in a chair that long and not being a physically active person catches up to you. Fortunately, I had this wonderful kratom leaf to save me. Hundreds of times better than being rx'd opiates. Now I just burn for medicinal effects, with a rare recreational burn. I won't burn 'for fun' normally as it will increase tolerance, and take away from the medicinal benefits I get from my kratom. I could always increase dose for the medicinal usage, but that's not a good idea. I've learned my limits with this stuff already.


I used to be using ~5-7g 2-3x a day not long ago for my medicinal burns as I had to make a 12hour drive that totally wrecked my back and I had to consistently take a fuckton and raise my tolerance. Just recently finished a VERY DIFFICULT 1week taper using small amounts of stem and vein from the kratom plant. S&V contains antagonists and can help reduce tolerance and keep tolerance down when substituting some of your regular burn with S&V. Now I'm at ~4g 2x a day, maybe 3x if my back might be particularly troublesome one day.

I buy it by the kilo now from indonesia, very good supplier that I know on a personal basis. I personally know a lot of the best domestic vendors in the business due to a certain kratom message board I'm not sure I'm allowed to name (It's not TKF). Not sure if I can name vendors either, but if that info can be PM'd hit me up. I can hook you up with the right leaf for you, high quality, and good price. There's a lot of shitty leafs out there and shady people in this business.

liftedgift
29-01-2013, 07:25
Ah kratom has been awesome to me this last year with my probation and all.... I was a heavy heavy bud smoker and it helped me stop pretty easily. I will say I'm at the point where I will get withdrawals, aches, runny nose, extreme extreme tiredness...but never have nausea I actually might eat more it's kind of strange. But overall it's really not too bad I still can work/function. Also after about 3 full days it feels like your tolerance is back to none, even though kratom tolerance is weird too.

With kratom the saying less is more has never been so true. Even with a large tolerance I never eat more than 10g at once. If your trying to compare it to an overwhelming strong opiate buzz you might be disappointed, motark is in its own category for me.

Snake_Eyes
29-01-2013, 08:05
Some of you guys must not use this very regularly, 3gram highs and all. .

For the first few months maybe once a week, then I would do it a few times a week and take 2-4 weeks off. For the last week I've been doing it daily before work but with the recent thread about kratom and liver damage I think I'm going to cut back to only a couple days a week (3 at most).

liftedgift
30-01-2013, 00:37
In my experience, I take acne medicine which requires me to take blood tests every month which tests my liver and other levels. I've been eating kratom for about a year almost daily and every time my tests have come up fine. Not saying it is not damaging because your liver can withstand a lot of punishment before showing signs of deterioration. If you get a reliable source that has no additives I believe it's fine, definitely no worse than alcohol.

Hiltoniano
30-01-2013, 06:21
I think some people have bad reactions to it, especially in the liver department. But I have taken large amounts for along time ( MY EXPERIENCE YMMV) and had literally 0 side effects except maybe some generic opiate side effects. Just saying, I think some people are super sensitive to kratom and they should avoid it. Others are just fine, and it can be a lifesaver for those trying to get off opiods ( not me thankfully, I just use recreationally)

silentcowboy
31-01-2013, 16:22
I think some people have bad reactions to it, especially in the liver department. But I have taken large amounts for along time ( MY EXPERIENCE YMMV) and had literally 0 side effects except maybe some generic opiate side effects. Just saying, I think some people are super sensitive to kratom and they should avoid it. Others are just fine, and it can be a lifesaver for those trying to get off opiods ( not me thankfully, I just use recreationally)

I agree, Ive been taking it for a couple years, its kept me off opiates and other hard shit with less side effects then an SSRI (IMO), with more positive effects. To me, kratom is god sent.

Privateer
01-02-2013, 21:15
I've gotten the impression in my experience with kratom that the stimulating effects require quite a bit of sensitization to fully realize. Kratom affects me a lot differently now than when I first started. I have a lot stronger of an effect with a smaller dose and feel myself brimming with physical energy that I never really felt when I first started using it.

Need4speed
01-02-2013, 21:38
such a huge thread my god

what strains are you guys using that promote, energy, relaxing stimulation, better focus and social experiences?

im using maeng da but since doing some research on a kratom forum my mind has gone to mush with all the information and battling over what strains are good / bad blah blah blah

they are saying maeng da is just a fancy name for marketing purposes

I want to keep using maeng da or similar to stronger strains but researching and asking questions over there will make your head explode

poe
01-02-2013, 23:39
I've been using various opiates on and off for about 20 years now, depending on availability and price. As far as I know I've tried them all, never shot anything, never will. My tolerance is up there: 2-3 80mg OCs or 2-3 g of heroin snorted all at once to just barely get warm and happy. Never went through wd. My question: I just ordered Kratom KXL Red Extra Strength Capsules. They claim 1 cap is sufficient dosage. Anyone out there with similar experience as me who has done Kratom and give me a clue on what to expect and how much to dose? I'm thinking of emptying 2 caps and parachuting them w/GFJ. Thoughts?

Need4speed
01-02-2013, 23:50
dude caps are crap and will drain your pcokets

im new to kratom but know that getting caps from a head shop should be your last resort as the quality is shotty and its massivley overpriced

coming off opiates you need to look into the advanced kratom discussion boards, they do have recomended strains and dsoing protocals for people WD from opiates

poe
02-02-2013, 00:03
I'm not in wd. just looking for an affordable, accessible high. I paid 30.00 including shipping for 20 caps, even if I took all 20 that's a big savings from the 200-300$ it cost me to get high on anything else.

blight12
02-02-2013, 04:09
After trying H, good old Kratom is looking real good in comparison. Good extracts are close enough in effects, less drowsiness and more motivation to get shit done, no shit 4 day withdrawals compared to hell from opiates doing multi consecutive day usage and stopping.

The stim can get a bit annoying, sleep can be effected, duration sucks and the biggest is no nod with Kratom, no matter how high. A shame but im still impressed how close it is to the real thing. Not expected.

Is it allowed for anybody to recommend me some good strong extracts, maybe just name, no source, or not. (I cant deal with 30 gram dose needs for leaf). All the good ones I know just dried up stock wize for some reason. Hope its not the beginning of the end...

Need4speed
02-02-2013, 05:06
i havent tried any other strain then meang da

it was pre packaged from a head shop so who knows what the true strain was

im lookig into getting some green maylay in powder when i find a reliable source, i have a few lined up just have to pull the trigger