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fake_blood96
07-12-2011, 16:07
Hey all i've pretty much got my post mdma routine down pat but am just wondering what you guys and girls do to help overcome sometimes a whole week of lethargy etc. Like with mdma ill take fishoils, vitamins, and 5-htp and that pretty much sorts me out well, but yeh after weekends on speed or shard occasionly then it can get pretty bad just being tired all the time even after a good amount of sleep and food etc, caffeine doesn't help either just puts me in a shitter state even though ill be a bit less lethargic, mentally it doesn't do any good for me.
Heard of things like L-dopa and tyrosine etc to help with these dopamine deplenishing drugs but yeh just let me know your thoughts
thanks

fake_blood96
07-12-2011, 16:26
brain doesn't seem to replenish the good stuff (sera, dopa) as quick as other ppl seem to do it, even with low-med usage

headdah
07-12-2011, 17:32
[snip]

But seriously though, this is my way of handling a meth comedown :)

1: during the bender, eat meals as you would normally, I know its hard, but try your best. If you can, eat more than normal amount is good too :)
2: keep your fluids up and I dont mean just drink Coke/Energy drink etc. Water H2O is great. but powerades and Gatorades are even better. As when you are cooking your head on meth, you sweat shit loads. and just drinking water isn't gonna replace all the salt/electrolll-ites u've sweated out.
3: Vitamines Antioxidents etc etc. Most importantly L-tyrosine. I swear by it. but not everyone here on aus BL agrees with me on this. I usually take about 3grams of L-tyrosine mixed in with like 2 scoops of protein powder add water and drink it first thing in the morning when I wake up after the bender. then maybe have another one 4-6hrs after.
If you follolw my directions mate, you will have a very very smooth come down perhaps not even feeling much down at all :)

[snip]

SpiritFolk
07-12-2011, 20:56
I find just plain old Xanax bars sort me out nicley. Although I never stay up for longer than 36 hours these days, and that is maybe once/twice a month. Also I don't use benzo regulary and only buy them for the purpose of hitting pipe.

Divine Moments
07-12-2011, 22:08
I know it's just joking, but I removed some posts with unwise advice. You never know who might take you seriously... ;)




But seriously though, this is my way of handling a meth comedown :)

1: during the bender, eat meals as you would normally, I know its hard, but try your best. If you can, eat more than normal amount is good too :)
2: keep your fluids up and I dont mean just drink Coke/Energy drink etc. Water H2O is great. but powerades and Gatorades are even better. As when you are cooking your head on meth, you sweat shit loads. and just drinking water isn't gonna replace all the salt/electrolll-ites u've sweated out.
3: Vitamines Antioxidents etc etc. Most importantly L-tyrosine. I swear by it. but not everyone here on aus BL agrees with me on this. I usually take about 3grams of L-tyrosine mixed in with like 2 scoops of protein powder add water and drink it first thing in the morning when I wake up after the bender. then maybe have another one 4-6hrs after.
If you follolw my directions mate, you will have a very very smooth come down perhaps not even feeling much down at all :)

Good advice :)

fake_blood96
08-12-2011, 14:18
thanks great advice headdah, yeh i do meals regularly wen im doing stuff my friends don't really know how i do it but i do it coz i know deep down my body needs it even if i dont feel like it haha, where did you get some l-tyrosine from? ive just ordered a fair bit of 5-htp just waiting for it to arrive :)
and so how does the l-tyrosine stuff work? guessing you get a big bag of it or something coz 3 grams is a lot compared to the 150-200mg of 5htp you take after night on md which would suffice

canaan
08-12-2011, 14:25
magnesium,5-htp,water,rest, and time.It takes 7 to 10 days it takes to return to baseline levels of dopamine and serotonin in the brain.

the_ketaman
09-12-2011, 01:31
Benzo's or opiates, these are the only ways to make a meth comedown comfortable for me. I dont use much meth at all these days but a few weeks ago I was using these white cokey looking rocks(speed) all weekend for about 3 weeks straight and it was so clean the comedown was nearly non-existant, I didnt need benzos or anything. I have a feeling that was just straight amphet though coz it was so different to anything ive ever had and also wasnt smokeable. Obviously the more you use the worse the comedown so I try to keep it to rare occasions. And as headdah said eat and drink as much of the good stuff as you can while your frying, I find it makes a huge difference to how you feel afterwards.

Becoming permanently depressed due to the neaurological damage meth does is something ive grown to be very scared of, ive abused my body enough so its very important for me to be as physically and mentally healthy as possible. Be careful guys :)

footscrazy
09-12-2011, 04:39
thanks great advice headdah, yeh i do meals regularly wen im doing stuff my friends don't really know how i do it but i do it coz i know deep down my body needs it even if i dont feel like it haha, where did you get some l-tyrosine from? ive just ordered a fair bit of 5-htp just waiting for it to arrive :)
and so how does the l-tyrosine stuff work? guessing you get a big bag of it or something coz 3 grams is a lot compared to the 150-200mg of 5htp you take after night on md which would suffice

L-Tyrosine is an amino acid which is a precursor to dopamine (and adrenaline and noradrenaline) the same way 5htp is a precursor the serotonin. I'm not sure if its helpfulness has been scientifically demonstrated, but I guess the idea is it encourages regeneration of dopamine if you make the building blocks available.

You can order online, I don't think it's illegal in Aus, but specific sources/links aren't allowed on BL.

Charles Bronson
09-12-2011, 08:19
Hmmm...

L-Tyrosine/Phenylalanine/B-Vitamins/H20 + 4 x 5 mg Nitrazepam tablets (with tolerance, w/o tolerance I'd recommend what the doctor says and go no further than 10 mg).

Charles Bronson
09-12-2011, 08:24
Quote Originally Posted by fake_blood96 View Post
thanks great advice headdah, yeh i do meals regularly wen im doing stuff my friends don't really know how i do it but i do it coz i know deep down my body needs it even if i dont feel like it haha, where did you get some l-tyrosine from? ive just ordered a fair bit of 5-htp just waiting for it to arrive
and so how does the l-tyrosine stuff work? guessing you get a big bag of it or something coz 3 grams is a lot compared to the 150-200mg of 5htp you take after night on md which would suffice
L-Tyrosine is an amino acid which is a precursor to dopamine (and adrenaline and noradrenaline) the same way 5htp is a precursor the serotonin. I'm not sure if its helpfulness has been scientifically demonstrated, but I guess the idea is it encourages regeneration of dopamine if you make the building blocks available.

You can order online, I don't think it's illegal in Aus, but specific sources/links aren't allowed on BL.

5-HTP, hydroxytryptophan is indeed a 'natural antidepressant'. In that way sirs, it affects one's serotonin levels, over time. So any benefit that one acquires after taking a 5-HTP load after taking MDMA is purely placebo in its effects.

L-Tyrosine is the shit....So is phenylalanine IMHO.

headdah
09-12-2011, 13:41
L-Tyrosine is available thru the popular online bidding site. I'm not mentioning the name :) Buy it from there its much cheaper that way. compare to buying it from a healthfood shop. I think for the same price they sell 200gram size ones in the healthfood shop u can get like 1kilo online :)

see i told u not everyone agrees with me on tyrosine :D

footsy IT WORks !

SoWhat!
09-12-2011, 16:02
Food, nutrients and hygiene. Small powernaps if possible.

Starve yourself and stay awake for 3-4 days on no drugs, you'll feel like shit. Add Meth to the mix and its half the reason you crash.

You eat properly and look after your body and your recovery time significantly reduces.

Hajime
09-12-2011, 16:34
ethanol

thejazzman
10-12-2011, 03:14
I'm a former mdxx user, now taking esipram 20mg daily for anxiety/depression so mdxx is a no go. I've switched to speed and recently dabbled in ice, only on a fri night or Saturday. I find a small line or of the kouta to start off and later on a few racks of whippa and it's all good. A rough day after, but a good nights sleep a few days later and I'm good to go. Repeat next weekend. The comedowns off mdxx, particularly when the mdma drought was at its worst, were unbearable and one of the reasons I quit mdxx and got on the meds. Happy days now! :D

thejazzman
10-12-2011, 03:21
I'm a former mdxx user, now taking esipram 20mg daily for anxiety/depression so mdxx is a no go. I've switched to speed and recently dabbled in ice, only on a fri night or Saturday. I find a small line or of the kouta to start off and later on a few racks of whippa and it's all good. A rough day after, but a good nights sleep a few days later and I'm good to go. Repeat next weekend. The comedowns off mdxx, particularly when the mdma drought was at its worst, were unbearable and one of the reasons I quit mdxx and got on the meds. Happy days now! :D

Further to this, I drink quite heavily during my sessions, I think this is the main reason I don't feel so crash hot the next day. It's nothing compared to post mdxx sessions though!

fake_blood96
15-12-2011, 11:39
and how much l-tyrosine should i take pre or post binge? i weigh about 67kg i just ordered .5kg of it and it says take 1 serving .5g 1-2 times daily on empty stomach, but someone above was suggesting 3grams in a day? at once?

revolve
15-12-2011, 18:54
Besides eating well, keeping hydrated etc.. What helps me get the edge off the most during the comedown & also the next day is GHB.. works wonders, G sleep replenishes your body much faster than usual and the G itself has almost no comedown, it just wears off

drug_mentor
18-12-2011, 12:03
^ Got a source that G "replenishes your body much faster than usual"? You know I smoke cannabis and eat benzodiazepines on a comedown and it helps a lot, I wouldn't say its 'replenishing my body though,' to me that sort of implies its healthy or something. I mean I have read somewhere that GHB causes the body to release additional human growth hormone (which may be false, although I did watch a documentary on steroid use where another guy who was a 'steroid expert' in the UK was using GHB to burn fat) but neither of those things translates into healing the body after meth.

Sure taking things to ease the comedown may make it easier to function, perhaps eat and hydrate yourself. But I think overall it would be healthier for the body if you could do that without taking additional drugs. I am as guilty as the next guy for using other drugs to alleviate symptoms of a comedown but I think to imply it is a good thing is unwise, as in my mind it is undoubtedly less healthy to continue taking other drugs after meth than to limit drug use to just the meth.

SoWhat!
19-12-2011, 08:45
I highly doubt Benzo's would adversely effect the recovery from a meth binge, but i do see where you're coming from.

drug_mentor
19-12-2011, 10:20
^ I don't know how much adverse effect they would cause, perhaps an additional strain on the heart? All I am trying to point out is that using more drugs as opposed to less is probably not the healthier option, I use drugs to come down myself I just wanted to point that out because to me the post I was addressing could be interpreted as suggesting it was healthier to take G after meth than it was to take nothing.

SoWhat!
19-12-2011, 10:24
Yeah i agree with the heart argument, but taking Downers straight after uppers is stupid, im talking a day or so later.

Benzodiazepines are a muscle relaxant and personally reduce my blood pressure so the risk would be marginal at best. But i do agree with you mate, just sharing another perspective.

rbbhf111
20-12-2011, 23:06
Here is what I have found "The most effective" after a weekend full of rough... ahem...fun & "partying"






1. I'm a college athlete so I need to eat. BUT, I simply can't. My BEST cure is those little liquid yogurt dannon smoothies. Those yougurt smoothies just chug them, they really help. Yogurt does the same. I cannot eat solid food when I have had a crazy weekend. I am already lean, and I want to keep my muscle tone.
Also try to put different fruits and vanilla ice cream in a blender and make yourself a smoothie which is actually really good and is a cheaper alternative. Antioxidants (Like Vitamin C is very important)






This is probably the MOST important tip.

2. Water, Water, Water & (Gatorade; electrolytes). You want to make sure you replenish your electrolytes due to so much sweating and your body is in disequilibrium. Airborne can help too.

3. Mouthwash and Chapstick. Make sure to take care of your teeth and chapstick helps to stop rubbing of the lips, tongue and teeth so much (In my experience) Carmex is my brand. A pack of gum helps stop teeth grinding.

4. REST and take vitamins. Possibly go take a walk / jog at a park when you have a little bit more energy (But put effort in dressing decent, since your inhibitions may be "off").






I believe that one should take care of themselves, and they should be okay (Okay as a person can be) I really suggest drinking gatorade and water when you're "enjoying" your stuff. Please make sure to replenish your fluids.

It took me about a week to return my body back to equilibrium. The first time I did it because I was stupid and didn't do any of those things. When I implemented what I said in my post. On average it took me 2 days to become "the regular" me. and 4 days max until I felt COMPLETELY fine again. (But that's a subjective view. Each person is different of course)

thestudent14
21-12-2011, 09:14
B B B B B B B B Beroca gives you plenty of B B Bounce =)

Charles Bronson
21-12-2011, 16:01
Don't you people realise that L-Tyrosine/Phenylalanine and 5-HTP take time to work like those evil antidepressants???

Charles Bronson
21-12-2011, 16:03
Oh yeah:

B B B B B B B B Beroca gives you plenty of B B Bounce =)
It's
"Berroca B B makes you B B bounce".

:)

Divine Moments
27-12-2011, 03:45
Also check out the Safer Use of Stimulants FAQ (http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/199749-Safer-use-of-stimulants-faq)

Azron
28-12-2011, 15:05
Seroquel for sleep and its neuro. antagonstic actions, longer acting benzos eg. triaz., clonaz. plain old diaz., healthy food and a heap of

protein shakes rich in essential amino acids taken with milk for calcium. Some green if it floats your boat and good company. Don't over do it, respect it or even better just dont take it

An interesting short read... (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=%2016712969)

grugz
29-12-2011, 18:49
although ethanol (alcohol) will sober u up on shards, it also dehydrates you. If u do have alchy with shards drink plenty of h20

And who wrote sleep, if I could sleep right now I would...

ashstorm
30-12-2011, 03:45
Don't you people realise that L-Tyrosine/Phenylalanine and 5-HTP take time to work like those evil antidepressants???

Amino acids like tyrosine can start working from day 1.. there is no lead up to it actually having an effect unlike sari medication.. there is also no withdrawal period upon discontinuation

poledriver
30-12-2011, 04:02
Oh yeah:

It's
"Berroca B B makes you B B bounce".

:)

B-B-B-Berocca gives you back your B-B-Bounce"


Berocca ran a series of television commercials in Australia and New Zealand throughout the 1980s and 1990s, using the slogan "B-B-B-Berocca gives you back your B-B-Bounce".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berocca

OND43X
30-12-2011, 05:59
[snip]

But seriously though, this is my way of handling a meth comedown :)

1: during the bender, eat meals as you would normally, I know its hard, but try your best. If you can, eat more than normal amount is good too :)
2: keep your fluids up and I dont mean just drink Coke/Energy drink etc. Water H2O is great. but powerades and Gatorades are even better. As when you are cooking your head on meth, you sweat shit loads. and just drinking water isn't gonna replace all the salt/electrolll-ites u've sweated out.
3: Vitamines Antioxidents etc etc. Most importantly L-tyrosine. I swear by it. but not everyone here on aus BL agrees with me on this. I usually take about 3grams of L-tyrosine mixed in with like 2 scoops of protein powder add water and drink it first thing in the morning when I wake up after the bender. then maybe have another one 4-6hrs after.
If you follolw my directions mate, you will have a very very smooth come down perhaps not even feeling much down at all :)

[snip]

lol im feeling a little lazy so instead of thinking and then typing out all that i want to type right now, ill just 'bum a lift' off headdahs post, use it as a format and then add a lil sprinkle of my own here and there lol (but not too much cos i cant be fucked right now haha). Thanks Headdah :)


1. During a bender and comming off a bender i do not think that it is nessecary to try keeping up with all my meals. once i have stopped re-dosing on meth then i will start eating just small snacks but i rarely do. when i have tried to force myself to eat while still redosing and/or still under the effects of meth, it drys out my mouth and dehydrates my body more. its as if any remaining moisture inside my mouth and down the tube to my stomach is used just to push the food down, and then more energy is needed to process the food i ate, then to have my body excrete the food (including the moisture it used) out before most of its nutrients can be absorbed.

2. keeping my fluid levels up is more important for me. while i am still re-dosing i try to drink different types of fluids all depending if i am out or at home. When i am out i will be drinking alcohol as well, i am a relatively quick drinker and i will rotate between a beer then a lemonade earlier in the night, then include more waters than lemonade later in the night. I drink beer cos spirits can make my body feel warmer and i try to drink things or do things that make my body feel normal or cooler when i am on a bender. at home i hardly drink alcohol but still try to rotate my driinks

3. i agree with headdah on using vitamins/antioxidents. i looked into how meth breaks down inside the body when i came up with the vitamin list below... meth is metabolized in the liver and excreted through the kidneys. Higher urine ph increases the time it takes the body to breakdown all traces of meth.
i use/used the 'liver detox', 'cranberry extract' (very high concentration to increase ph and clean kidneys) and 'mood inhancer' (contains phenethylanines and l-tysorine) vitamins by 'swiss', found at most pharmacies.
I also take B multi vitamins and vitamin c

These are other little tricks i have thought of to help me in different ways during or after a meth binge.

* during a big binge i find that keeping my skin moisturised(specially my face under the eyes and on lips). it stops me getting the sticky/burning eyes

* day after the binge i like to fill a bath (only upto ankles) with very hot water and cover myself with a shower screen, it then works like a sauna and makes me sweat alot! while doing this i will regulary drink water.

* my skin will be alot clearer the days after if i can spend some time in the sun, or swim in a pool or beach a day or two after consuming the meth...

Lol i ended up writing heaps... haha so much adding just a sprinkle!



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OND43X
30-12-2011, 06:21
Don't you people realise that L-Tyrosine/Phenylalanine and 5-HTP take time to work like those evil antidepressants???

L-Tyrosine/Phenylalanine generally speaking has a fast onset, and they have demonstrated their fast onset on me. i got a noticeable and fast elevated mood (needless to say placebo would of played a part too)

** the pills i consumed were 'mood inhancer' by Swiss formula.**