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jake99
30-09-2011, 20:55
I just started an electronic cig to try to quit . i got the 36 mg one which packs quite a punch. it also has helped me feel more focused and alert since my dr wont give me a.d.d. meds anymore................
between the cig and caffeine i feel way better. anyone else try this ?

BrokedownPalace
30-09-2011, 21:44
Electronic cigarettes are a novel invention, that's for sure. I have some, and tried using them to quit smoking cigarettes a number of times, but failed horribly. Sure, it contains nicotine, it looks like you're exhaling smoke, but it still doesn't feel the same to me. It lacks that throat hit that comes with puffing on a real cigarette. Personally they didn't work out as well as I'd hoped in regards to replacing regular cigarettes, but if you succesfully get them to work for you in that manner, than i applaud you.

I'm not realy sure of your question, though.. You're asking if e-cigarettes help with treating ADD? Well you said so yourself, that 'between the cig and caffeine I feel way better". So if you have found something, or a combination of two things, that works for you, without going the amphetamine route, than I would say there's no reason to change your routine. Caffine and nicotine are both stimulants, though obviously have different modes of action than an amphetamine type drug would.

jake99
30-09-2011, 22:38
Why are there modes of action different if they are stimulants ???

Captain.Heroin
01-10-2011, 02:37
Why are there modes of action different if they are stimulants ???

You would have to study pharmacology to really grasp why.

Nicotine activates nAChR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_acetylcholine_receptor)'s, whereas caffeine antagonizes adenosine receptors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_receptor).

laCster
01-10-2011, 02:53
nicotine affects several different neurotransmitters, but nicotine is not the only cause of intoxication from cigarettes. tobacco smoke contains the MAOIs norharman, anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine contributing to increased synaptic levels of dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine. thuis is why regular smokers of cigarettes do not receive relief from w/d or intoxication from just nicotine alone (i.e. e cigs)

jake99
01-10-2011, 14:51
i disagree. a 36 mg e cig is a lot more nicotine than regular cigs

adder
01-10-2011, 15:38
And these 36mgs are spared, if you took a dose of 36mg of nicotine, you'd die. If you smoke cigarettes, one comes after another, and here you just use one "e-cig". But that's just a side note because more nicotine doesn't mean substitution for inhaling substances like harman, norharman, and more. The amount of nicotine is irrelevant because these substances are totally different structurally and their action is also different.

sekio
01-10-2011, 20:57
I thought the average amount of nicotine out of a "normal" cig is something like 2mg. So a 36mg e-cig is basically chain smoking 18 cigs at once, or a whole pack...

jake99
01-10-2011, 22:43
no way lol

BrokedownPalace
02-10-2011, 01:26
I thought the average amount of nicotine out of a "normal" cig is something like 2mg. So a 36mg e-cig is basically chain smoking 18 cigs at once, or a whole pack...

Yeah, but you wouldn't use up the entire 36mg in one sitting. Most e-cigarettes contain a reservoir which is usually equivalent to roughly a pack, so everytime you re-fill it there's say 36mg in it. You could puff on it all day long and only have to re-fill it like once a day.

Drifter74
02-10-2011, 01:41
I thought the average amount of nicotine out of a "normal" cig is something like 2mg. So a 36mg e-cig is basically chain smoking 18 cigs at once, or a whole pack...

What's different with an E-Cig is that you aren't "forced" to smoke a whole cigarette. You can take one or two puffs and then set it down. World of difference IMO. You can also get E-Cig's with 0 nicotine which is great if you have an oral fixation of sorts.

Until I found the ULTIMATE E-Cigarette I wasn't very impressed. Now that I've got what *I* consider to be the best quality e-cig in the world I've been able to go from 2-3 packs of Marlboro's per day to 4-6 regular cigarettes per day. Unfortunately I've had to spend hundreds of dollars and countless hours of reading before I found it but it was certainly worth it.

@ Jake - I'm in the same boat as you and have to say the E-Cig definitely helps.

Drifter

The.Ghost
02-10-2011, 02:22
A note about those numbers: The # of mg is typically the concentration of freebase nicotine in the solution the e-cig is vaporizing (mg nicotine / mL solution). The base is typically either propylene glycol (PG) or glycerol (usually referred to as VG – vegetable glycerin). I've seen concentrations from 0 – 100 mg / mL for sale, although I think anything above 24 mg (some say 36 mg) is supposed to be diluted before use.

A funny thing about e-liquid: I don't think the nicotine molecules are free to move about as they would be in say, a water solution. I've tried 2-phase oil / e-liquid extractions to get the nicotine out, but without any success at all. I think the nicotine molecules are somehow complexed by the di / tri-ol molecules so the whole mess has to be broken down by the body before the nicotine becomes absorbable. This, I believe, is why there's no instant rush the second the vapor hits your throat / lungs like there is in a normal cigarette.

sekio
02-10-2011, 03:48
Nicotine is not "complexed" by the glycol/glycerol molecules, it's just not as effective a drug when it isn't combined with the other active ingredients that get generated when you burn tobacco.

Captain.Heroin
02-10-2011, 19:04
Nicotine is not "complexed" by the glycol/glycerol molecules, it's just not as effective a drug when it isn't combined with the other active ingredients that get generated when you burn tobacco.

My friend who effectively switched to e-cigs without cravings for cigs at all tells me there aren't enough MAOI's in cigarettes to cause much of a pharmacological difference.

I'm not saying I fully believe him though - I'm not a cigarette smoker so this doesn't effect me, however, I have seen people try an e-cig and essentially prefer cigarettes still.

One way of being able to explain this difference... maybe some people are more or less sensitive to the MAOI synergy with nicotine?

InvisibleEye
02-10-2011, 19:27
Until I found the ULTIMATE E-Cigarette I wasn't very impressed. Now that I've got what *I* consider to be the best quality e-cig in the world I've been able to go from 2-3 packs of Marlboro's per day to 4-6 regular cigarettes per day.

Would you mind sharing that info with us? I've only tried one e-cig so far (without nicotine) and wasn't that impressed either, though I really did quit regular cigs for a while. I enjoy the different tastes you can try with e-cigs - blueberry, vanilla, etc. - but it was quite a hassle to fill the little 'reservoir', more than once a day.

Kenny7822
02-10-2011, 21:15
What's different with an E-Cig is that you aren't "forced" to smoke a whole cigarette. You can take one or two puffs and then set it down. World of difference IMO. You can also get E-Cig's with 0 nicotine which is great if you have an oral fixation of sorts.

Until I found the ULTIMATE E-Cigarette I wasn't very impressed. Now that I've got what *I* consider to be the best quality e-cig in the world I've been able to go from 2-3 packs of Marlboro's per day to 4-6 regular cigarettes per day. Unfortunately I've had to spend hundreds of dollars and countless hours of reading before I found it but it was certainly worth it.

@ Jake - I'm in the same boat as you and have to say the E-Cig definitely helps.

Drifter

What is the brand name of the e-cig you bought that is the "ultimate" e-cig? I'm curious because I have been looking for a good one for a long time now.

InvisibleEye
02-10-2011, 21:37
C'mon, Drifter74, we really want to know! :)

BrokedownPalace
02-10-2011, 22:48
I'll provide you with the link, since drifter and I have spoken via PMs about this. Here

http://www.unsmoke.us/product_p/sk2.htm

InvisibleEye
02-10-2011, 22:54
^ Thanks for the link.

Kenny7822
02-10-2011, 23:56
Yeah, thank you for the link :)

Drifter74
03-10-2011, 01:04
Sorry guys, I was a bit tardy in responding. I sorta nodded off watching The Shining. :)

Thanks for posting that up Brokedown. The guy that runs the place is great.

My favorite liquid is 36mg Cola.. numm numm numm..

The eGo-T comes with two batteries and two atomizers. (basically two e-cigs) and I fill the tank about once every day or two. I do carry both batteries with me however I've never had to use my spare. The 1000mAh has never died on me - and I vape all day at my desk at work, plus on the drive in/home.

When you order be sure and pick up a couple extra atomizers to have around. If you are lazy and don't clean them occasionally after about a month or three they tend to gunk up and performance can deteriorate. I've only had one actually go bad on me and that was my fault for not cleaning it correctly.

-Drifter

jake99
04-10-2011, 02:08
nice i have the ego t as well and its worked great for me

adder
07-10-2011, 00:53
It's not only MAO inhibitory action produced by other tobacco constituents. They also contribute to the effects felt while smoking cigarettes by activating nAChRs so it's an additive action causing dopamine to fire at neurons in the region of the reward system. And these other substances aren't really that weak or something as there have been some researches done and it was shown they do cause more self-administration in rats.

I don't know if some nicotine patches or e-cigs can be equal to a regular cigarette. I used to smoke quite a lot but I quit. The interesting thing about smoking tobacco is how effects differ when one inhales fast and less smoke and when one inhales longer and deeper so the effects can be either more stimulating or more calming. I do only snuff now and I don't have much of a problem when I run out of it. If I'm lazy, I can stay at home and not go to a tobacco shop to buy snuff. But it's always less nicotine there and it doesn't hit the brain that fast from the mucous membrane. However, a few days ago I finished a cigarette of my friend because I didn't want to wait until she finishes smoking (I was always known to take long and deep drags and I was always the first to finish). It was like half a cigarette but then I felt an urge to smoke a cig on the following day...

Nice but we do know that the psychoactive drugs available legally kill probably a lot more than illegal drugs and most of the time accidents happen among people who don't use for a long period of time. Well, whatever, it's a never-ending dispute...

lazylazyjoe
07-10-2011, 07:33
^First time I OD'd was on hand picked datura seeds and rue, all legal.
Funny how people(in USA atleast) think that if something is legal then it's safe. That just encourages the gov't to further regulate what we can do since they think people are relying solely on them for instruction.

sikk_widit
07-10-2011, 13:12
I have a link where they sell the same kit for alot cheaper. You can buy it with the regular atomizer and cartidge setup or the tank setup like drifter was talking about. I used to smoke a pack a day and switched completely to vaping about 2 months ago. The difference is amazing! Your lungs feel better, taste comes back, clothes don't stink and I personally can't stand the taste or smell of a newport anymore.

jake99
07-10-2011, 22:42
true , i just hope the e cigs really arent bad for you

adder
07-10-2011, 22:47
I used to smoke one and a half pack a day and I just stopped. What's really interesting the time when I smoked the most was high school and university. But I guess it was quite easy for me to quit smoking because I still supply my body with some amounts of tobacco alkaloids by doing snuff although I feel no effects from it. The other thing is cigarettes were something that always came along with my intravenous use of opioids. After I stopped shooting up, cigarettes didn't really give any euphoria on their own.

Anyway, it's always better to be a person who can still smoke or tolerate smoke when it's needed but generally doesn't have to smoke because feels miserable otherwise.

Doug2113
07-10-2011, 22:59
Electronic cigarettes are a novel invention, that's for sure. I have some, and tried using them to quit smoking cigarettes a number of times, but failed horribly. Sure, it contains nicotine, it looks like you're exhaling smoke, but it still doesn't feel the same to me. It lacks that throat hit that comes with puffing on a real cigarette. Personally they didn't work out as well as I'd hoped in regards to replacing regular cigarettes, but if you succesfully get them to work for you in that manner, than i applaud you.

I'm not realy sure of your question, though.. You're asking if e-cigarettes help with treating ADD? Well you said so yourself, that 'between the cig and caffeine I feel way better". So if you have found something, or a combination of two things, that works for you, without going the amphetamine route, than I would say there's no reason to change your routine. Caffine and nicotine are both stimulants, though obviously have different modes of action than an amphetamine type drug would.

This post was from a couple of days ago, but I have to agree with you on the "feel" of hitting a cigarette. I need to feel the burn of a marlboro going down my throat (and ya that sounds bad...but deal with it) and I need it to be thick. I tried one of those at the stand at a mall and I literally took like 35-40 puffs off of the thing (my average cigarette (Marlboro 27's) last about 15 drags, 20 or so on the new 100's), and it was just thick enough that I could inhale and still blow "vapor" rings, but smoking that literally just made me want to go smoke a REAL cigarette lol. I think some of it has to do with the fact that you're not actually burning the nicotine. Whenever you set something on fire it undergoes a chemical reaction; thus, the nicotine in a cigarette would undergo a chemical reaction as you smoke it changing the entire chemical make up of the substance. The e-cigarette just vaporizes the nicotine (just turns it into a gas); thus, only giving the nicotine a physical change and maintaining the same chemical make up as it was prior to vaporization. Just my theory on it.

To the OP...I'm glad that caffeine and e-cigarettes handle your ADD. I'm pretty sure I have an undiagnosed case of ADD as I can never focus on anything lol. But no, I smoke real cigarettes and drink a lot of caffeine and it doesn't really affect me.

jake99
08-10-2011, 18:46
back on concerta now drank a red bull and im flyin

DressedInBlack
09-10-2011, 12:10
Has anybody tried to dissolve any vaporable drug in the liquid in order to geh high? Do you think it's possible? It sound very tempting to me :)

DJW
09-10-2011, 12:37
I've heard of a few people doing it, but not with much success.

mario323213
09-10-2011, 20:19
ive read alot of forums that nicotine helps with add and its not exactly "synthetic"

jake99
11-10-2011, 00:28
anyone on concerta ?

laCster
11-10-2011, 04:17
my body does not tolerate extended methylphenidate. Ritalin IR is nice though. i prefer dexedrine, vyvanse, and adderall


if you have never used nicotine before, an e-cigg could potentiate be used for medicinal purposes. ADD is merely a neurotransmitter deficiency, specifically dopamine. nicotine is known to increase the amount of dopamine in the by mimicking this NT, along with serotonin, and norepinephrine. most medications prescribed for ADD and ADHD (i.e. amphetamines, DNRI's, ect..) also increase dopamine in the synaptic cleft but to a higher degree and efficiency.

jake99
12-10-2011, 21:15
my concerta wears off so fast

socalpopper
13-10-2011, 04:10
I have ADD and am running an ego-t setup with 24 and 36 mg liquids. i charge it every few days and it does seem to calm me but not like cigs. ive read that the nicotine will be absorbed through your mouth as well lungs but you cant really compare the nicotine contents to cigs because not nearly as much nicotine gets absorbed through vaping compared to a cig.

i prefer my e cig tho because i can never smoke a cig without getting the feeling of smoking to much and not wanting anymore. with my e cig i can just take a puff here and there without committing to a whole cig. also no stink or having to go outside to smoke.

jake99
28-10-2011, 03:03
my atomizer is leaking

Drifter74
28-10-2011, 20:19
my atomizer is leaking

Buy a new one -- or two. They don't last forever.

whynaught
28-10-2011, 20:27
I have the blu e cigs and the cartridges don't last for shit! I get a few batteries worth of good drags, then wammo I'm left with like 100 half drags that make me prematurely open a new cartridge! I think I'm just going to blow threw these cartridges and hope I can quit cigs afterwards!

jake99
11-12-2011, 19:51
what flavors do u guys like watermelon is good

Drifter74
12-12-2011, 02:52
what flavors do u guys like watermelon is good

COLA is my personal favorite!

InvisibleEye
12-01-2012, 17:29
I just want to add that following Drifter74's advice, I ordered an Ego-T and it is everything he says it is! It's much, much better than the previous e-cigs I've tried. I simply wanted to thank you again for that info. I might finally be able to quit smoking, that's unbelievable!!

InvisibleEye
12-01-2012, 17:34
As for the flavours, I like cappucino, chocolate, vanilla, blueberry... Unfortunately I don't have enough $$ to try all of them, but so far I haven't tried one that I didn't like.

shikidala
23-01-2012, 20:49
This is interesting reading thanks, I'm gonna have to do a little research on this, I have what the specialist last time called Severe ADD, I was born with a brain that certainly doesn't function right at all, I know stimulants won't help all things but they certainly help to speed my brain up & feel closer to most other peoples speed of processing plus increase my motivation massively. I tried Ritalin in the past but the negative effects that came with it were awful both physically & mentally. I did once try part of a Nicotine patch but from what I can recall it made me feel poisoned & I couldn't sleep that night after taking it off, I think it was the next day my mood was pretty low.

Wondering if other types of oil can be heated in any of these e-cigs you know of? Since I once tried another edible alternative treatment in a really low dose & it really helped me out, problem was I could never get the dosage right.

Swimmingdancer
23-01-2012, 22:31
nicotine affects several different neurotransmitters, but nicotine is not the only cause of intoxication from cigarettes. tobacco smoke contains the MAOIs norharman, anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine contributing to increased synaptic levels of dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine. thuis is why regular smokers of cigarettes do not receive relief from w/d or intoxication from just nicotine alone (i.e. e cigs)


It's not only MAO inhibitory action produced by other tobacco constituents. They also contribute to the effects felt while smoking cigarettes by activating nAChRs so it's an additive action causing dopamine to fire at neurons in the region of the reward system. And these other substances aren't really that weak or something as there have been some researches done and it was shown they do cause more self-administration in rats.

I knew it!! We are so brainwashed by the media etc to think that nicotine is the only active ingredient in cigarettes. This explains why nicotine replacement therapies often don't work. I read a recent study that found that nicotine replacement was no more effective than cold turkey or anything else in helping people quit smoking. When I use an e-cig, nicotine gum, or any other nicotine outside of regular cigarettes, it just doesn't feel the same as smoking and doesn't satisfy me. Granted I do find it better than absolutely nothing though when I have to not smoke (on a plane etc).
I also tried organic natural non-additive tobacco and felt unsatisfied too. It was supposed to have close to the same level of nicotine but less of certain other compounds. People usually find natural tobacco less addictive. I wonder if some of the additives added by tobacco companies are responsible for added addictiveness? If so, this could explain part of why we are mis-informed about nicotine being the sole active/addictive compound, as tobacco companies would never want to admit that they purposely make cigarettes more addictive.


I vape all day at my desk at work, plus on the drive in/home.
I'm surprised they let you smoke them at work! Where I live e-cigs are increasingly being prohibited in places where regular cigarettes aren't allowed. Which defeats part of the point IMO. For example, they are banned on planes and in airports.


Since I once tried another edible alternative treatment in a really low dose & it really helped me out, problem was I could never get the dosage right.What was this alternative treatment? I have ADD and find smoking only very mildly helpful. I am always looking for alternative treatments, as I don't like the traditional stimulants available in my country (nor would I want to take them continuously long-term).