Mystery Brew
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My usaege goes from opiates from hydrocodone to heroin IV, psychedelics, RC, various pills, and everything else under the sun.
First time with kratom. I put "experienced" as the title as in experienced user
Tolerance is fairly moderate, but nothing like when I was on IV H. I was on heroin really bad too. Heavily addicted to say the least.
Now my tolerance is About 50mg hydrocodone, 30mg oxy to even feel effect of it. Not nodding out or anything. Those doses are just when I can even feel the opiates at all.
(Even 100mg oxy doesnt make me nod. Just super hyperactive as a comparison- this is recently)
Remember: Kratom can vary greatly from batch to batch. Theres even vendors selling bunk. Body chemistry is also a variable.
Well Bali powder arrived today. It is noted that it is not the blend of commercial kratom mix that most call Bali now. It was said this Bali is superior.
Injested approx. 7-12g. No scale just a estimation. Swollowed powder and chased with Mt Dew. Real earthly taste. Gagged a bit though.
( I AM WRITING THIS AS EFFECTS ARE COMING ON. WILL UPDATE)
-1 hour: Starting to Feeling warm, sweaty. Stimulated and relaxed. I get this same feeling from every opiate.
-1 hour 30 min: This isnt placebo. People say kratom is very stimulating to them. For me all opiates are really stimulating to me; maybe due to tolerance. So I cant compare if its the kratom is stimulating from its self or not. But the stimulation as of right now is very similar, if I had to compare opiates to kratom. I'd say about 50-60mg hydrocodone. Shocking isnt it. Didnt even expect it I thought I wasted money.
Starting to itch. Euphoria is mild to slightly moderate. Really suprised I can even feel it. Eyes are pinned also. Analgesic property is evident. The inner warmth of typical opiates is there too.
As of right now no nausea is present.
Its a wonderful plant. but after the 1:30 mark it just fades to Id say about 4 hour duration.
It would be great medicinal wise, analgesic properties was top notch with out the opiated feelings most opiate navie persson get. Energy and great pain kill without much drowsiness.
Next report.
I had Green Thai and Bali kratom. I ate approx. 7-10g of green thai and 5g about of Bali.
I was bouncing all over the place. I really like the energy and anti-anxiety effects it produce.
Although eatting that much Green Thai gave me really bad gas. It enflated my stomach with gas.
What is wierd is I eat the same amount of Bali as the first time I used it. and now I just get dizzy everytime.
So Kratom is imdesirable for anti-anxiey n energy effects b/c the dose that produces mininal effects has bad side effects. My tolerance to opiates is too high compared to kratom affinitty for opiate receptors
I had 2g of 30x as a gift ate that and 5-7g of bali...dizzy cityy. but when the peak went down the dizziness also went down. It was enjoyable..after that. Lasted quite long..about 6 hrs.
My conclusion:
-medicinal values are great for the pain managment community.
-energy boost was great. Its opiate effects would be enjoyable for someone with low tolerance.
(DONT TAKE THE DOSE I WAS TAKING; MY TOLERANCE IS HIGH. START LOW)
-For opiate dependant person this would be excellent..wish I knew about it earlier. Saturated my opiate receptors. Im no longer dependant on opiates; but the craving get me. When I gobble this up I didnt think of opiates at all. Side effects was a problem for me but from what I read most people dont get the side effects.
I read a methadone patient wanted off . Ween. and jumped on to kratom no problem taking 10-12g at a time...so everybody body chemistry is different.
Also the kratom potentcy vary greatly.
Being that kratom has a bunch of actives alkaloids with vary degree of effects. I read a scientific study on Kratom and it had so many alkaloids. Scientist studied the alkaloids in kratom to some extent but they focused there attention on these:
-Mitragynine = has effect on the adrenaline. explaining shakey hands/anxiety. Plus effect in -Mu and Delta receptors
-Mitraphylline = effects Mu/Delta. Plus NMDA-anatagonist. Scary
-7-Hydroxymitragynine sounds like the most favorable. No adrenaline/NMDA effects
Its 17x folds stronger than morphine.
Obviously you dont know to how much active alkloids are in the kratom and maybe it has more undesirable alkaloids than the desirables. Thats why you start low.
If you can get pure isolates of 7-hydroxymitragynine that be a winner. I, sure it cost a pretty penny. An the variable of vendor quality issues. But if you are a chemist try it and let me know lol
First time with kratom. I put "experienced" as the title as in experienced user
Tolerance is fairly moderate, but nothing like when I was on IV H. I was on heroin really bad too. Heavily addicted to say the least.
Now my tolerance is About 50mg hydrocodone, 30mg oxy to even feel effect of it. Not nodding out or anything. Those doses are just when I can even feel the opiates at all.
(Even 100mg oxy doesnt make me nod. Just super hyperactive as a comparison- this is recently)
Remember: Kratom can vary greatly from batch to batch. Theres even vendors selling bunk. Body chemistry is also a variable.
Well Bali powder arrived today. It is noted that it is not the blend of commercial kratom mix that most call Bali now. It was said this Bali is superior.
Injested approx. 7-12g. No scale just a estimation. Swollowed powder and chased with Mt Dew. Real earthly taste. Gagged a bit though.
( I AM WRITING THIS AS EFFECTS ARE COMING ON. WILL UPDATE)
-1 hour: Starting to Feeling warm, sweaty. Stimulated and relaxed. I get this same feeling from every opiate.
-1 hour 30 min: This isnt placebo. People say kratom is very stimulating to them. For me all opiates are really stimulating to me; maybe due to tolerance. So I cant compare if its the kratom is stimulating from its self or not. But the stimulation as of right now is very similar, if I had to compare opiates to kratom. I'd say about 50-60mg hydrocodone. Shocking isnt it. Didnt even expect it I thought I wasted money.
Starting to itch. Euphoria is mild to slightly moderate. Really suprised I can even feel it. Eyes are pinned also. Analgesic property is evident. The inner warmth of typical opiates is there too.
As of right now no nausea is present.
Its a wonderful plant. but after the 1:30 mark it just fades to Id say about 4 hour duration.
It would be great medicinal wise, analgesic properties was top notch with out the opiated feelings most opiate navie persson get. Energy and great pain kill without much drowsiness.
Next report.
I had Green Thai and Bali kratom. I ate approx. 7-10g of green thai and 5g about of Bali.
I was bouncing all over the place. I really like the energy and anti-anxiety effects it produce.
Although eatting that much Green Thai gave me really bad gas. It enflated my stomach with gas.
What is wierd is I eat the same amount of Bali as the first time I used it. and now I just get dizzy everytime.
So Kratom is imdesirable for anti-anxiey n energy effects b/c the dose that produces mininal effects has bad side effects. My tolerance to opiates is too high compared to kratom affinitty for opiate receptors
I had 2g of 30x as a gift ate that and 5-7g of bali...dizzy cityy. but when the peak went down the dizziness also went down. It was enjoyable..after that. Lasted quite long..about 6 hrs.
My conclusion:
-medicinal values are great for the pain managment community.
-energy boost was great. Its opiate effects would be enjoyable for someone with low tolerance.
(DONT TAKE THE DOSE I WAS TAKING; MY TOLERANCE IS HIGH. START LOW)
-For opiate dependant person this would be excellent..wish I knew about it earlier. Saturated my opiate receptors. Im no longer dependant on opiates; but the craving get me. When I gobble this up I didnt think of opiates at all. Side effects was a problem for me but from what I read most people dont get the side effects.
I read a methadone patient wanted off . Ween. and jumped on to kratom no problem taking 10-12g at a time...so everybody body chemistry is different.
Also the kratom potentcy vary greatly.
Being that kratom has a bunch of actives alkaloids with vary degree of effects. I read a scientific study on Kratom and it had so many alkaloids. Scientist studied the alkaloids in kratom to some extent but they focused there attention on these:
-Mitragynine = has effect on the adrenaline. explaining shakey hands/anxiety. Plus effect in -Mu and Delta receptors
-Mitraphylline = effects Mu/Delta. Plus NMDA-anatagonist. Scary
-7-Hydroxymitragynine sounds like the most favorable. No adrenaline/NMDA effects
Its 17x folds stronger than morphine.
Obviously you dont know to how much active alkloids are in the kratom and maybe it has more undesirable alkaloids than the desirables. Thats why you start low.
If you can get pure isolates of 7-hydroxymitragynine that be a winner. I, sure it cost a pretty penny. An the variable of vendor quality issues. But if you are a chemist try it and let me know lol
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